80+ points and a trophy.
I don’t think reaching the level of success we had under Jose is too much to ask.
I don’t think reaching the level of success we had under Jose is too much to ask.
Yes this is basically the long and short of it more likely than not. But football will always throw up surprises so it's unwise to deal in certainties.With Chelsea on the upswing and Liverpool likely to get it together, we would be fighting for top 4 again. That's hardly a controversial statement. Does anyone in their right mind think Ole can get the best of Pep/Klopp or even Tuchel even with squads remaining the same for everyone?
so if we dont improve first team for 2 years straight ole needs to go if he can't get past the best ever english football team?Being in a title race until May. Not necessarily winning it, but being in it.
Winning a trophy. Or at the very least a vastly improved showing in the CL, like making it to the QFs and playing well.
Less than that, Ole out. No excuses.
Did you even read the post? He's mentioning challenging not even beating. You twisted it completely.so if we dont improve first team for 2 years straight ole needs to go if he can't get past the best ever english football team?
Ole has to go if he cant keep us in a title fight until May.so if we dont improve first team for 2 years straight ole needs to go if he can't get past the best ever english football team?
people often make this distinction... is being within a couple of points with 34 games played really that different to being ahead by a point with 38 played. Very fine margin between being in a title fight til May and winning the title, much finer than one step down which is top 4, but I guess that is what it isOle has to go if he cant keep us in a title fight until May.
That means when people were talking about us as having a chance to win the league when we were top of the table at Christmas, just like that but instead of Christmas it's May.
relax man hahaDid you even read the post? He's mentioning challenging not even beating. You twisted it completely.
Why should what Liverpool etc do change our expectations?Let's wait until the end of the window shall we.
If Liverpool, Chelsea and City all strengthen more than us everyone's loft predictions go out the window.
That's a joke right?Why should what Liverpool etc do change our expectations?
jesus what have United become!
No.That's a joke right?
So let me get this right, you think that if we don't strengthen but all the teams around us who are arguably already better do, we should still expect to finish 1st & win trophies etc?No.
No matter what Liverpool do, Pep and city will expect themselves to win the league. We should be the same.
Great summary of our current situation, I agree with basically everything.It honestly totally depends on the players brought in. Even just two starters (by most accounts a RW and CB are the priorities, though I'd prefer a DM to the latter) would see a much better Utd side and one that can push the big two much closer.
If those players aren't brought in however, then it will be the same slog for top 4.
He's not been perfect, but Ole has done really well to stabilise Utd and he deserves credit for pushing us into 2nd despite the myriad of issues we've faced and handling pandemic football in a way that a much superior manager in Klopp and the team who spent more than anyone last year (Chelsea) didn't. But he needs the funds to be fully released now. No excuses. He's done his side of the bargain twice in firstly cutting away the deadwood and secondly by achieving back to back top 4. Replenish the squad with quality first teamers and supplement it with the kids coming through, and then hopefully next season you'll see a real Utd side begin to emerge.
EDIT
In terms of targets (with the aforementioned players coming in):
c.85 points - push City all the way if possible
QF/SF CL
Would love us to pick up either or both of the domestic Cups
Continued progression of the likes of Greenwood, Rashford, McT and the kids from the u-23s and u-18s pushing through
Maybe one or both of Laird and Garner come into the first team squad proper if the funds aren't there for a DM and backup RB signing
If the players don't come in then I'd aim for c.75-80 points and QF in the CL and all the other targets remaining the same.
Agreed. An improvement on this season is whats needed and this puts it clearly.Being in a title race until May. Not necessarily winning it, but being in it.
Winning a trophy. Or at the very least a vastly improved showing in the CL, like making it to the QFs and playing well.
Less than that, Ole out. No excuses.