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The league is rotten with shady owners allready anyway so try and see the positives - money spend on newcastle is better than money spend on military or the newest tools of oppression.
We were 4th in net spend by the end of the 90s.I'm sure you never spent a penny during that time..
Then us, Leicester, Arsenal and Spurs, battling for the Europa spots.Having multiple super rich owners makes the league a lot more interesting that just having one or two. We could be looking at title fights with Chelsea, City, Newcastle, United in constant contention and teams like Liverpool also in the running.
In the Premier League the clubs with wealthier owners than Man United are: Man City, Chelsea, Leicester, Spurs, Villa, Arsenal, Wolves. Up until they got relegated so are Sheffield United.Aren't Leicester and Villa's owners wealthier than ours too?
Wasn't she also the villian in The Little Mermaid (cartoon version)?MBS, using Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund. Amanda Staveley has acted broker for the deal, as she did with Man City.
I'm not sure what other 'states' will get involved in investing in a PL club other than the gulf ones. I can't see Russia dipping into its Direct Investment Fund.
And people shout at me when I say I want them as owners...Important month for Newcastle, if they win the court Case this month , the takeover will go trough.
The better Question will be , what does that mean for the PL, the Saudis aren't here to make money and won't accept anything less then trophies.
tenuous links between something you don’t want to happen and what is already happening all around you.To be fair mate that post wasn't directed towards you. I wasn't saying you think it's good for competition.
No I actually wasn't trying to put them into classes of anything. If any sensible person were to try that they would only come up with bad, worse and despicable.
Your argument makes little or no sense when it involves some tenuous link with the US and/or UK governments for reasons that no one can ever explain. Which is why it all falls apart after a few simple questions are asked and not answered.
It all comes down to what you are willing to tolerate for success, my wife's best friend went to Saudi for work (nurse), they should have no part in modern society IMO, which of course counts for very little.And people shout at me when I say I want them as owners...
Yeah it's old toss-up between wanting owners with large pockets who are ambitious about the team winning trophies and supporting murderous tyrannical regimes. It really is a tricky one.And people shout at me when I say I want them as owners...
Me too.I'll probably lose most of my interest in the Premier League when this happens.
Genuinely have no idea what point if any you are trying to make at this stage mate.tenuous links between something you don’t want to happen and what is already happening all around you.
Because there is more to life and football than trophies.And people shout at me when I say I want them as owners...
Except it really is tricky for a club as unique as ours, where the purchase price makes it impossible to find a buyer (one that doesn’t seek a crippling financial return, far greater than the owners we have now.)Yeah it's old toss-up between wanting owners with large pockets who are ambitious about the team winning trophies and supporting murderous tyrannical regimes. It really is a tricky one.
It really isn't. The Saudis can feck off.Except it really is tricky for a club as unique as ours, where the purchase price makes it impossible to find a buyer (one that doesn’t seek a crippling financial return, far greater than the owners we have now.)
Its not tricky, its pretty simple, any owner of any company in the west, who has connections or influence over a regime that uses public capital punishment or dismemberment should have no place in the UK or ANY civilised society, no matter how much dirty money they have. I would go further but it wouldn't be wise.Except it really is tricky for a club as unique as ours, where the purchase price makes it impossible to find a buyer (one that doesn’t seek a crippling financial return, far greater than the owners we have now.)
I don’t want the Saudi’s, they are just the only better alternative to the Yanks.Because there is more to life and football than trophies.
Ummmmmm are you serious? The governing bodies are just as bad here in there greed for money, but if you can support an owner who has links to the barbarity of some Saudi states in your pursuit for footballing glory, these states behead, dismember, stone and blind their citizens publicly, its actually advertised in the local shops.I don’t want the Saudi’s, they are just the only better alternative to the Yanks.
Im just honest enough to voice my opinion on it.
If the governing bodies sanctioned them fit for ownership then why should i clamber to some moral high ground when atrocities happen in every country the world over.
Are you suggesting others aren't being honest?I don’t want the Saudi’s, they are just the only better alternative to the Yanks.
Im just honest enough to voice my opinion on it.
If the governing bodies sanctioned them fit for ownership then why should i clamber to some moral high ground when atrocities happen in every country the world over.
I'll probably lose most of my interest in the Premier League when this happens.
Except it happened when City got took over.Me too.
Didn’t say that. I’ve always said I respect the reasoning why others don’t want the Saudi’s, I just don’t happen share their level of dogmatism on the subject.Are you suggesting others aren't being honest?
It all depends what you consider to be better, I suppose. The Glazers are a bit crap and have a lot to answer for but genocide and the persecution of minorities isn't on the list. I'd consider that to be infinitely preferable.
Important month for Newcastle, if they win the court Case this month , the takeover will go trough.
The better Question will be , what does that mean for the PL, the Saudis aren't here to make money and won't accept anything less then trophies.
Really? Who supports the owners of their club?Yes Ashley is a cnut. Yes he treats his employees like dirt. But is your club being successful really worth supporting a horrific regime responsible for the torture, oppression and overall misery of countless people?
No, of course it isn't. I hope this doesn't go through, but it's all a little too late anyway really isn't it.
the UK is already way beyond that point thoughIts not tricky, its pretty simple, any owner of any company in the west, who has connections or influence over a regime that uses public capital punishment or dismemberment should have no place in the UK or ANY civilised society, no matter how much dirty money they have. I would go further but it wouldn't be wise.
I just want my club to be able to spend its own wealth, not be leached upon. Show me one alternative, one.Ummmmmm are you serious? The governing bodies are just as bad here in there greed for money, but if you can support an owner who has links to the barbarity of some Saudi states in your pursuit for footballing glory, these states behead, dismember, stone and blind their citizens publicly, its actually advertised in the local shops.
I got some bad news for youIts not tricky, its pretty simple, any owner of any company in the west, who has connections or influence over a regime that uses public capital punishment or dismemberment should have no place in the UK or ANY civilised society, no matter how much dirty money they have. I would go further but it wouldn't be wise.
Fair enough.Didn’t say that. I’ve always said I respect the reasoning why others don’t want the Saudi’s, I just don’t happen share their level of dogmatism on the subject.
I meant I’m honest enough with my own opinion to express it and take the flack, I understand it’s not shared by many here. But I do think there would probably be a majority outside of Caf-life that would back the move, or it would be a close run thing.
You're whitewashing a bit here.I just want my club to be able to spend its own wealth, not be leached upon. Show me one alternative, one.
If you think these things you list only happen in Saudi and that’s enough for you to hate my opinion then fair enough.
You would be giving legitimacy to the perpetrators of those atrocities and a platform for them to promote themselves as some kind of benevolent force.It’s not even like any single fan is signing-off on the atrocities that go on there by agreeing to this, the Saudi’s owning Newcastle or United or any other club has zero effect on those things.
Likewise every single fan has zero influence on who owns their club.
People make it seem like fans who would ‘accept’ Saudi ownership just don’t care about those issues.
Speaking for myself, I’m match-going and back it, from a purely Manchester United wellbeing perspective.Fair enough.
I suppose it depends who you're talking about. From what I've heard the match going fans would not be for it.
I maybe wrong but I would have thought that the Caf and Reddit would be fairly representative of fans outside of that and the sentiment seems to be that the majority are against it.
If it's casual fans who are just tuning in for the game and not all that invested beyond that, I wouldn't expect them to be bothered but I wouldn't give much credence to their opinion either.
How different? How much do we literally put on their doorstep from the outside looking in?You're whitewashing a bit here.
Terrible things happen all over the world, nobody is disputing that. However, when the prospective owners are the driving force behind those terrible things then it's a different situation altogether.
That's quite a naive thing to say to be honest.How different? How much do we literally put on their doorstep from the outside looking in?
This is why I said ‘if’ they were given the green light from the governing bodies. Because surely they won’t if they are unquestionably responsible for all you say?
They have a lot more money than City's owners too.It will be City version 2 if it goes through.
Will probably take a few years but if this goes through they'll want to win the lot, they aren't interested in a mid table battle and will throw whatever resources are needed to make it happen.
Oh, so it was the West that was corrupted by the East now, was it? Righteo.The West was corrupted a long time ago with all the money from the East. All the moral outcrying I just don’t really understand.