The murder of Sarah Everard | Couzens sentenced to a whole-life order

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What else are they looking at that they shouldn’t be?

Also how easy is it to access case files as a Police Officer? I’d have thought there’d have been more safeguards in place to prevent unwarranted access.
Id like to say that you’d be surprised how easy it is, but I’m not sure you would be
 

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What else are they looking at that they shouldn’t be?

Also how easy is it to access case files as a Police Officer? I’d have thought there’d have been more safeguards in place to prevent unwarranted access.
People get into trouble over these things. Like looking up a celebrity etc. I imagine you would be one of the first to be checking out the Giggs case for instance.

You must use the systems for a policing purpose and have reason to access. It's all logged.
 

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What else are they looking at that they shouldn’t be?

Also how easy is it to access case files as a Police Officer? I’d have thought there’d have been more safeguards in place to prevent unwarranted access.
I don’t know how it works in the police, though I imagine limiting information isn’t useful to good policing. But in Probation we have limited access offenders, which are restricted to certain people for high profile/high media coverage cases.

The primary reason I haven’t looked up any high profile cases is it’s simply not worth my job to. Anyone doing it is a total numpty, but it doesn’t surprise me in the least.
 

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People get into trouble over these things. Like looking up a celebrity etc. I imagine you would be one of the first to be checking out the Giggs case for instance.

You must use the systems for a policing purpose and have reason to access. It's all logged.
Do you have access to every case? God, I'd find it so tempting to be nosey.
 

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People get into trouble over these things. Like looking up a celebrity etc. I imagine you would be one of the first to be checking out the Giggs case for instance.

You must use the systems for a policing purpose and have reason to access. It's all logged.
I guess we'd like to know how the monitoring works.

It happens where I work as well, but we actively monitor for that stuff.
 

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Sounds a bit sensationalist. Depends what they were looking at in particular doesn't it.
First responders at the crash site literally took pictures of the charred bodies / body parts & sent them to other LEOs & civilians in the immediate hours after the crash.

Yes, it was a bit sensational.
 

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First responders at the crash site literally took pictures of the charred bodies / body parts & sent them to other LEOs & civilians in the immediate hours after the crash.

Yes, it was a bit sensational.
You've lost me.

You said this sounds like what happened with Bryant. I say it depends what they were looking at and to compare it is a bit sensationalist without evidence?
 

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You've lost me.

You said this sounds like what happened with Bryant. I say it depends what they were looking at and to compare it is a bit sensationalist without evidence?
I’m opining that it smacks a bit of police being gore voyeurs like they were at the Bryant crash, not being prudent with the evidence.

But that’s just me. I could be wrong.
 

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Was it ever said how he actually managed it without anyone seeing or hearing anything?
 

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On the BBC:
A number of leading media websites are currently not working, including the Guardian, Financial Times, Independent and the New York Times.
The UK government website - gov.uk - is also down.
Affected websites displayed the message: "Error 503 Service Unavailable".
Early reports have suggested it could be related to Fastly, a cloud computing provider, which underpins a lot of major websites.
 

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I wonder what that means in practice regarding the murder charge.
Found this explanation on reddit:

He hasn't pleaded guilty to murder yet. He's admitted responsibility for the killing but his legal team are waiting on medical reports. That means they're exploring the possibility of (at least) diminished responsibility with a view to a manslaughter conviction.

It's a common tactic for a murder case where responsibility for the killing is indisputable to try to aim for a manslaughter conviction. Whilst the maximum sentence for manslaughter is life, it is a discretionary life sentence rather than the mandatory one for murder - and manslaughter rarely results in a life sentence.

If he can get a diminished responsibility manslaughter then there's a possibility he might be made subject to a hospital order rather than being sent to prison. As a police officer, he'd likely be a lot safer in a secure hospital than in prison where his life is guaranteed to be hell (not commenting on whether that's morally right or not).

Of course, the CPS don't have to accept da plea to manslaughter and can proceed to trial if they believe murder to be the appropriate offence.
 

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It would be so easy to trick a woman if you had a police warrant card. I imagine a scenario where he'd stopped and told her she shouldn't walk at night as there had been assaults, I'm a police officer, I'll see you home ....
 

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It would be so easy to trick a woman if you had a police warrant card. I imagine a scenario where he'd stopped and told her she shouldn't walk at night as there had been assaults, I'm a police officer, I'll see you home ....
Must be really worrying too, because I’d imagine you’d be a bit wary but fearful of saying no.

I can only hope her death was quick, which is an awful thing to have to say. This at least saves the family/friends from having to go through a traumatic court ordeal.
 

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Must be really worrying too, because I’d imagine you’d be a bit wary but fearful of saying no.

I can only hope her death was quick, which is an awful thing to have to say. This at least saves the family/friends from having to go through a traumatic court ordeal.
Strangulation isn't a very quick way to die, sadly. That poor woman, how terrified she must have been.
 

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In news that will shock absolutely nobody, he actually tried to blame it on foreigners.

He'll get to put his feet up in the nonce and old boys club wing of a prison for a few years. Nobody he'll come into daily contact with will even look at him funny.
 

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In news that will shock absolutely nobody, he actually tried to blame it on foreigners.

He'll get to put his feet up in the nonce and old boys club wing of a prison for a few years. Nobody he'll come into daily contact with will even look at him funny.
I hope he gets many, many years. The crime itself is horrible enough, but the fact he was a police officer makes it much worse.
 

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Still really intrigued as to how her got her to get into his car. Especially if it was a white Enterprise rental which is usually very noticeable. I wonder what he actually pretended was happening. I don’t blame her in the slightest and it was probably very confusing and felt urgent that she needed to act.
 

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He’ll surely get a whole life sentence, the crime is made all the worse due to him being a copper.

Also the thread title needs updating to include the murder confession.
 

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What was his motivation? Is he just a bad apple like Bundy that targeted random people.
 

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Giving your real phone number when you're hiring your murder van seems a very basic mistake, especially for a police officer. The fact that he emailed work afterwards to say he should no longer be carrying a firearm is also interesting. Hopefully it suggests that this was his first and only victim.
 

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Still really intrigued as to how her got her to get into his car. Especially if it was a white Enterprise rental which is usually very noticeable. I wonder what he actually pretended was happening. I don’t blame her in the slightest and it was probably very confusing and felt urgent that she needed to act.
He could have used his badge to make her lower her defences a little and get close to her, then could have attacked her when he was close enough. Not sure she needed to willingly enter the vehicle for him to get her in.
 

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He could have used his badge to make her lower her defences a little and get close to her, then could have attacked her when he was close enough. Not sure she needed to willingly enter the vehicle for him to get her in.
It's really sickening when you think about the thought process that goes into planning something like this.
 

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Giving your real phone number when you're hiring your murder van seems a very basic mistake, especially for a police officer. The fact that he emailed work afterwards to say he should no longer be carrying a firearm is also interesting. Hopefully it suggests that this was his first and only victim.
He was CNC Police which is basically a security guard with a gun at nuclear sites. He then transferred to the Met, and was quickly parachuted into an armed guard role again. He will have had basically zero investigative experience
 

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He could have used his badge to make her lower her defences a little and get close to her, then could have attacked her when he was close enough. Not sure she needed to willingly enter the vehicle for him to get her in.
Yeah I just feel like it would’ve been so much more obvious to do that. And also how would he drive with her fighting him off in the car?