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Greenwood was far better although not spectacular. Should have been Rashford hooked not Greenwood.
Greenwood was completely finished by the time he came off. He was running on fumes after putting in a shift up and down the line for nearly 2 hours. Rashford is afforded the luxury of conserving his energy and that’s why he lasted the full match.Greenwood was far better although not spectacular. Should have been Rashford hooked not Greenwood.
Cavani, McTominay and AWB were the exception. The rest of them were lazy half arsed cnuts.I know the thread is about Rashford but he isn't the only one that was strolling around. Cavani was the exception. The whole team needs a fire lit under their arses.
I'd add Shaw on that list too, he does extra running every game to cover for the golden boy.Cavani, McTominay and AWB were the exception. The rest of them were lazy half arsed cnuts.
it all depends on how one interprets statistics. One can also argue the case that Rashford will enter his 7th season as a professional footballer for United and only had 1 season where he scored more then 12 goals in the premier league.If you don’t rate Rashford with his volume of goals and assists at his age, there’s not much hope for you.
He's clearly doing much better than Lingard, and even during this period of bad form has still produced, unlike Lingard.it all depends on how one interprets statistics. One can also argue the case that Rashford will enter his 7th season as a professional footballer for United and only had 1 season where he scored more then 12 goals in the premier league.
I do agree that he is still a young player. My only question mark is, when will he make that final step to become world class ? (as he turns 24 in a couple of months). Will he ever make that step?
How long was Lingard called a talent ? I know we can not compare them statistically but at some point in time a player shouldn’t be called a talent anymore.
Rasford has scored 71 goals (overall) in his first 6 season whereas Rooney scored 131 in his first 6 seasons. I’m counting 6, because Rashford will enter into his 7th season for United next season. It is logical to say that Rooney played in a much better team hence providing him with better chances to score. That logic however is not ‘absolute’, because there are examples of players not being able to put their stamp while being in a great team. It boils down to the actual talent and mentality of the player too. I’m genuinely interested in the question in regards to Rashford’s trajectory which fairs well with Rooney’s one (which you provided as an argument). What aspects would you mention?What I detest about how many on this forum discuss Rashford is the whole tone where the glass is half empty, people openly wear with pride their low opinion of him and want to see "his bubble to be burst", as a now infamous thread put it. The discussion is framed by an assumption that we all know that he isn't really that good and it is negligent of anyone to not try and bring him down a peg or two, as opposed to a more constructive critique of how we can get the most out of him.
Rashford's had his best ever season in terms of direct goal contributions and compares very well to anyone in his age bracket, despite having given up penalties to Bruno Fernandes for the betterment of the team. He compares very well to Rooney's impact at a similar age, despite Rooney playing in arguably our greatest team of all time. We'd all have been very pleased with that individual performance outcome for Rashford if offered at the beginning of the season.
People seem to be forgetting that for much of the season, Bruno and Rashford have been carrying us.
Rashford's had to manage himself through the season with numerous injuries and niggles, because we desperately needed him. It is only in the last couple of months that Greenwood, Pogba and Cavani could finally be relied upon. It's absolutely churlish to hurl Rashford's injuries and lack of full fitness back at him. He's in this state at the end of the season, because we demanded it from him.
- Martial has done very little of consequence having been badly out of form or injured.
- Cavani has been a part-time footballer for much of the season, struggling badly for form and fitness, with only 4 goals by the New Year.
- Greenwood was having a very difficult 2nd season as a senior professional with only 4 goals by mid-March!
- Pogba was in poor form, then injured repeatedly.
- James is quite mediocre at this level, etc.
If he hadn't given everything over the season, United wouldn't be playing Champions League next season, and there would have been no lighter period for Cavani and Greenwood to showcase their goalscoring during the run in in securing second. There's an alternative pattern of events, with exactly the same volumes of goals and assists, where Rashford had a strong second half of the season, and Cavani and Greenwood had their leaner and more testing spells in the second half too. There we'd be thanking our lucky stars that Bruno and Rashford carries us to second in the league, because virtually nobody else turned up until the New Year in the league, or in the CL group stage.
Don't count on being promoted any time soon.Have always said Rashers is just an athlete and not a clinical goal scorer, tonights penalty miss confirms it.
Get shut asap and Sanchos pen was crap as well, oh dear another trophyless season beckons.
Man Utd > England, bye nO0bieHave always said Rashers is just an athlete and not a clinical goal scorer, tonights penalty miss confirms it.
Get shut asap and Sanchos pen was crap as well, oh dear another trophyless season beckons.
What a pathetic thread and pathetic bump.
Did you forget Rashfords pen against Paris?Have always said Rashers is just an athlete and not a clinical goal scorer, tonights penalty miss confirms it.
Get shut asap and Sanchos pen was crap as well, oh dear another trophyless season beckons.
He shouldn't have even been on the pitch. Sir Gareth of Southgate completely bottling the match and then shoving a couple of subs on at the last minutes to take penalties was the problem. Can't blame them for missing with zero time to get a feel for the game.Anyone on here criticising him today can kindly go feck themselves.
add the poster into that as wellWhat a pathetic thread and pathetic bump.
Sure, but instead of taking a competent penalty, he decides to Pogba it into the post!! No need for the stupid exaggerated, staggered run up, its a shoot out, just blast it! I would go as far to say his miss, messed with the rest of the pens after, and ultimately, lost England the game.Completely set up for failure tonight, barely a kick all tournament and then has to take the most high pressure penalty of his life.
They are a cancer on this club.Anyone on here criticising him today can kindly go feck themselves.
This guy's argument is Rashford isn't Wayne fecking Rooney, our all time top scorerRasford has scored 71 goals (overall) in his first 6 season whereas Rooney scored 131 in his first 6 seasons. I’m counting 6, because Rashford will enter into his 7th season for United next season. It is logical to say that Rooney played in a much better team hence providing him with better chances to score. That logic however is not ‘absolute’, because there are examples of players not being able to put their stamp while being in a great team. It boils down to the actual talent and mentality of the player too. I’m genuinely interested in the question in regards to Rashford’s trajectory which fairs well with Rooney’s one (which you provided as an argument). What aspects would you mention?
I also don’t think that fans are denying that Rashford is a good player. Its the inconsistency and the label ‘talent’. You have two side of the coin here, if you make your debut at 17 and you’ll soon play your 7th season, technically speaking at age 24 you can still be considered a talent because of the age. However after 7 seasons there should be some form of progress and trajectory (combined with actual data and statistics of goals, assists etc) to form an informed opinion wether this player will eventually become world class. Only time will tell.
There is also a case to make in saying that Greenwood’s trajectory is already higher then Rasford’s one, with Rasford scoring his best 17 PL goals in his 5th season, whereas Greenwood’s scored 17 goals in his first full season.
I disagree with your statement that this thread is based on a false assumption, with ‘Rashford not being that good’. Good is a term which can be defined with different variables. I used the terms ‘talented’ , ‘class’, ‘world-class. I think we can safely agree that Rashford is no more a talent as he is word class, I’d argue he is in that phase where he has to make some important steps for him to finally be called world- class.
I agree, that Messi chap who missed the penalty in the final is nothing but just an athlete too. What an absolute dog shite post.Have always said Rashers is just an athlete and not a clinical goal scorer, tonights penalty miss confirms it.
Get shut asap and Sanchos pen was crap as well, oh dear another trophyless season beckons.
Geez... the wankers are out in force todayNo need
Sorry, this was not a reply to you.No need
Nah come on, England lost well before pens by letting the game pass them by.Sure, but instead of taking a competent penalty, he decides to Pogba it into the post!! No need for the stupid exaggerated, staggered run up, its a shoot out, just blast it! I would go as far to say his miss, messed with the rest of the pens after, and ultimately, lost England the game.
It would be highly advised if you would read the entire conversation. I did not compare Rashford to Rooney, I actually replied to a poster who said :Guess I made the right decision to avoid the forum after a bad loss.
Thanks for bumping the thread, so I could see this gem.
This guy's argument is Rashford isn't Wayne fecking Rooney, our all time top scorer
Hope Rashy gets the surgery he needs and a speedy recovery for next season.
The Daily Mail audience is loving which players ended up missing pens. Can't wait for Rashford's next humiliation of them.