Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism

[Pexbo]

The tweet or the woman posing? Or both?

Just all of it. Maybe I’m being naive but I just think it’s unlikely that someone in that position is taking the chance to be intentionally offensive and sneak in their racist views.

I just think it’s most likely to be pure ignorance, they’ve grown up in a community where nobody has explained how offensive that is to them.

 

[Santos J]

It was this

 

[DWelbz19]

Anyone manage to get a screenshot?

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[JPRouve]

Hope they don't accidentally leave a perfectly square bit of dirt on the screen when they go to film the apology video.

I hope that they won't use their love for spring rolls as a defense.

 

[Pexbo]

Tweet deleted. What did it say?

Anyone manage to get a screenshot?

Edit - pic above, doesn’t need my rubbish description.

 

[UnitedSofa]

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Feckin hell

 

[Inigo Montoya]

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Reminds me of this, only they were taking the piss out of father Ted

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Feckin hell

Reminds me of this, only they were taking the piss out of father Ted

 

[CG1010]

Just saw the OP, the anti-racist campaign on the last page, and what prompted this bump! Wtf! How dumb are these people.

 

[UncleBob]

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[Inigo Montoya]

Just saw the OP, the anti-racist campaign on the last page, and what prompted this bump! Wtf! How dumb are these people.

In doing it or thinking they can get away with posting it?

 

[CG1010]

In doing it or thinking they can get away with posting it?

Well the first letter by Inter fan group is genuinely racist and what is dumb is them thinking this letter proves otherwise. I don't think the Juventus tweet was done with inherent racist tendencies but just that someone was dumb enough to not realise it was racist.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Well the first letter by Inter fan group is genuinely racist and what is dumb is them thinking this letter proves otherwise. I don't think the Juventus tweet was done with inherent racist tendencies but just that someone was dumb enough to not realise it was racist.

Doing slant eyed impressions while wearing a cone isn’t inherently racist? Must have missed something then

 

[giorno]

There is no way they didn't realize it was racist. My guess is it wasn't supposed to be posted. Just unbelievable

Fecking hell

 

[CG1010]

Doing slant eyed impressions while wearing a cone isn’t inherently racist? Must have missed something then

I just said it is racist in my post? Just differentiating them from that OP post by Inter fan group who think racist slurs are justified.

 

[giorno]

Well the first letter by Inter fan group is genuinely racist and what is dumb is them thinking this letter proves otherwise.

They don't. They are racist, they are proud of it, and that letter was just an attempt at trying to avoid the stand being closed down & mollify their brand new star player

 

[CG1010]

They don't. They are racist, they are proud of it, and that letter was just an attempt at trying to avoid the stand being closed down & mollify their brand new star player

Yeah, you are probably right

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I just said it is racist in my post? Just differentiating them from that OP post by Inter fan group who think racist slurs are justified.

You said it wasn't done with inherent racist tendencies. It bloody was

 

[giorno]

Yeah, you are probably right

No, i am 100% right. I've been to curva nord, i've seen the fanzine they circulate, and that's the reason i've never gone back again

 

[bosnian_red]

Wow that picture... how can people not know by now

 

[Halftrack]

You said it wasn't done with inherent racist tendencies. It bloody was

I think their point was more that, unlike the Inter fans, the Juve player doesn't appear to have had malicious intent.

Racism is still racism, though, and ignorance isn't an excuse.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Griezmann to Juventus women. Here we go!

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Why isn't the female Juventus player being named (and shamed)? In every reference I've seen, it just describes her as 'a Juventus women's player' and the emphasis of the blame, and apology, seems to be directed at the club and social media team rather than the player actually doing the racist impression.

I'm 100% certain if that had been a (presumably first team) Juventus player from the men's team doing it then they'd have been named (and shamed) in all the stories - and rightly so, as the one actually doing the racist impression - and faced twitter / media calls to be sacked, suspended, banned for some games, etc. I don't see why she seems to be going unnamed in all the stories?

 

[432JuanMata]

Reminds me of this, only they were taking the piss out of father Ted

“I hear you’re a racist father, how you get interested in that type of thing”

 

[Peter van der Gea]

Why isn't the female Juventus player being named (and shamed)? In every reference I've seen, it just describes her as 'a Juventus women's player' and the emphasis of the blame, and apology, seems to be directed at the club and social media team rather than the player actually doing the racist impression.

I'm 100% certain if that had been a (presumably first team) Juventus player from the men's team doing it then they'd have been named (and shamed) in all the stories - and rightly so, as the one actually doing the racist impression - and faced twitter / media calls to be sacked, suspended, banned for some games, etc. I don't see why she seems to be going unnamed in all the stories?

Misogyny, probably

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Misogyny, probably

Misogyny?

She's guilty of doing a blatantly racist impression and yet is escaping having her name branded everywhere by the media as the one guilty of racism. That's misogyny?

 

[Shane88]

Italy must be absurdly insular. It's not like this is some secret phone footage of a woman being racist. It's a staged, "professional" photo so they obviously thought "This is fine."

 

[Peter van der Gea]

Misogyny?

She's guilty of doing a blatantly racist impression and yet is escaping having her name branded everywhere by the media as the one guilty of racism. That's misogyny?

Gotta keep the little lady safe.

Its why Karens have been getting away with it for years

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Imagine living in a world full of uneducated, thick people, who feel entitled to do whatever they want?

I'm not going to say too much but I can't really say I'm surprised by it. Some people have been comfortable for way too long.

 

[Winzaghi]

Why isn't the female Juventus player being named (and shamed)? In every reference I've seen, it just describes her as 'a Juventus women's player' and the emphasis of the blame, and apology, seems to be directed at the club and social media team rather than the player actually doing the racist impression.

I'm 100% certain if that had been a (presumably first team) Juventus player from the men's team doing it then they'd have been named (and shamed) in all the stories - and rightly so, as the one actually doing the racist impression - and faced twitter / media calls to be sacked, suspended, banned for some games, etc. I don't see why she seems to be going unnamed in all the stories?

The mens team player probably wouldn't need to be outed as everyone would already know who it is

I guess a better comparison would be the youth team. They'd probably not be named and shamed either to be fair.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

The mens team player probably wouldn't need to be outed as everyone would already know who it is

I guess a better comparison would be the youth team. They'd probably not be named and shamed either to be fair.

I really don't think that is a 'better comparison'. It's just double standards. A youth team players identity I'd understand maybe shielding - male or female - because that often does happen with people below a certain age in situations that are legal, failed sporting drug tests, racist incidents, etc.

But Juventus women won the Italian league last season and this is, presumably, a first team player. The women's game at the top level (which Juventus are at) calls out for more coverage, more media attention, like the mens game gets - well, part of that coverage is about the negatives as well as the positives. You can't demand more of it but then only expect the positives and not have to deal with the negatives when you do something like a blatantly racist impression.

I can't see any justifiable reason for not naming the female player in this situation - and certainly not comparing it to youth team players as if a senior female player who's in the wrong needs 'protecting' in the same way as a youngster does. When a senior player does a blatantly racist impression like this - not 'accused of' but fully shown to be guilty of - and the story breaks, then the name of that player should be included in the reporting of that story regardless of their sex.

 

[Winzaghi]

I really don't think that is a 'better comparison'. It's just double standards. A youth team players identity I'd understand maybe shielding - male or female - because that often does happen with people below a certain age in situations that are legal, failed sporting drug tests, racist incidents, etc.

But Juventus women won the Italian league last season and this is, presumably, a first team player. The women's game at the top level (which Juventus are at) calls out for more coverage, more media attention, like the mens game gets - well, part of that coverage is about the negatives as well as the positives. You can't demand more of it but then only expect the positives and not have to deal with the negatives when you do something like a blatantly racist impression.

I can't see any justifiable reason for not naming the female player in this situation - and certainly not comparing it to youth team players as if a senior female player who's in the wrong needs 'protecting' in the same way as a youngster does. When a senior player does a blatantly racist impression like this - not 'accused of' but fully shown to be guilty of - and the story breaks, then the name of that player should be included in the reporting of that story regardless of their sex.

I meant it was a better comparison in the sense that they're just as unknown. I'm just speculating as to why they're protecting them, but I totally agree they need to be named and shamed. It's unacceptable behaviour.

 

[Ixion]

How does someone get hired to run a social media account in 2021 for a huge organisation and not know this is a dumb idea.

 

[crossy1686]

“I hear you’re a racist father, how you get interested in that type of thing”

"I blame the Greeks! They fecking invented gayness!"

 

[Ladron de redcafe]

How does someone get hired to run a social media account in 2021 for a huge organisation and not know this is a dumb idea.

I'm not even sure what they were trying to do here? You don't need hindsight to see that this is racist. It's must have been obvious to them that it was racist during the actual photoshoot. So I'm at a loss at what the mindset was, here.

 

[Halftrack]

Why isn't the female Juventus player being named (and shamed)? In every reference I've seen, it just describes her as 'a Juventus women's player' and the emphasis of the blame, and apology, seems to be directed at the club and social media team rather than the player actually doing the racist impression.

I'm 100% certain if that had been a (presumably first team) Juventus player from the men's team doing it then they'd have been named (and shamed) in all the stories - and rightly so, as the one actually doing the racist impression - and faced twitter / media calls to be sacked, suspended, banned for some games, etc. I don't see why she seems to be going unnamed in all the stories?

Several articles name her.

 

[dal]

Wow, I can’t stop laughing. Absolute plonkers.

 

[pascell]

Tweet deleted. What did it say?

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[The Original]

I lack the cultural context...what is that gesture meant to imply in connection with Asian people?

 

[sillwuka]

Presumably 3 people thought this was ok. The player, the photographer who felt comfortable enough to direct that photo and then the person who uploaded the photo.

Unbelievable lack of awareness in this day and age.