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Pep claiming Grealish cost them 40 million because they've made 60 million in transfer fee's.

I'd love to know where that 60 million has come from. I can only see 34 million on transfmrkt.
Even I was wondering about that. They seem to just make up bullshit as they go along to seem more legit. Who are these academy wonderkids worth 60 million?!
 

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Even I was wondering about that. They seem to just make up bullshit as they go along to seem more legit. Who are these academy wonderkids worth 60 million?!
And City fans shovel this shit right down their own throats like caviar.
 

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Pep claiming Grealish cost them 40 million because they've made 60 million in transfer fee's.

I'd love to know where that 60 million has come from. I can only see 34 million on transfmrkt.
It's like Pool fans saying Carroll cost them -15 million :lol:

Surely going by this, our transfers cost -400 million as we make 500 million as a club.
 

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Pep claiming Grealish cost them 40 million because they've made 60 million in transfer fee's.

I'd love to know where that 60 million has come from. I can only see 34 million on transfmrkt.
I’d like to know how much money was spent to acquire the players that fetched them this 60mil.
 

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I’d like to know how much money was spent to acquire the players that fetched them this 60mil.
Its quite clear, they've sold £35m worth of players...

In City's book, It reads £60m sales. Isn't that how it works at the Empthiad?
 

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Even I was wondering about that. They seem to just make up bullshit as they go along to seem more legit. Who are these academy wonderkids worth 60 million?!
They got 10M off Sancho, apparently just received Sane 45M from Bayern as it was deferred last season (I didn’t know this until it was being talked about Reddit and Ducker confirmed it too) and goes into this season balance, they also have a few players about to finalized there moves which is what he might be implying, there top tier did imply City would make at least 100m on youth sales by the end of the window. What’s even funnier is there using loan fee as part of net :lol: which is the first I’ve heard of that
 

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They got 10M off Sancho, apparently just received Sane 45M from Bayern as it was deferred last season (I didn’t know this until it was being talked about Reddit and Ducker confirmed it too) and goes into this season balance, they also have a few players about to finalized there moves which is what he might be implying, there top tier did imply City would make at least 100m on youth sales by the end of the window. What’s even funnier is there using loan fee as part of net :lol: which is the first I’ve heard of that
Sane's fee wasn't included in 2018-19 season as the transfer happened in July or August, so it should be included in 2019-20 financial report. Grealish fee will be accounted in 2021-22 accounts.

In any way, Sane's fee shouldn't be included.
 

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They got 10M off Sancho, apparently just received Sane 45M from Bayern as it was deferred last season (I didn’t know this until it was being talked about Reddit and Ducker confirmed it too) and goes into this season balance, they also have a few players about to finalized there moves which is what he might be implying, there top tier did imply City would make at least 100m on youth sales by the end of the window. What’s even funnier is there using loan fee as part of net :lol: which is the first I’ve heard of that
Sane's fee wasn't included in 2018-19 season as the transfer happened in July or August, so it should be included in 2019-20 financial report. Grealish fee will be accounted in 2021-22 accounts.

In any way, Sane's fee shouldn't be included.
A right bunch of sniveling weasels aren't they
 

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For a lot of clubs you would say 'adding player that draws a lot of fouls in the opposition half' would be a positive thing, but City aren't one of those sides. The best way to beat them is to disrupt their attacking rhythm and they may have just signed a player that will contribute to that himself. This is looking for negatives however - he's obviously a very talented player who will likely improve under Pep, but I'm not completely convinced that he improves the team - not yet.
 

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This isn't the Allan St. Maximin thread. Don't worry, he's still available for a reasonable price, I'm sure.
He’s entertaining because he’s a phenomenal player, city fans will be overjoyed.
 

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Sane's fee wasn't included in 2018-19 season as the transfer happened in July or August, so it should be included in 2019-20 financial report. Grealish fee will be accounted in 2021-22 accounts.

In any way, Sane's fee shouldn't be included.
Sane was sold last year in the 2019-2020 so would his account for 20-21? Not saying I agree with it I’m just saying this is what some people are adding to there net spent argument don’t know they exact details find it a little weird on how stuff like that works.
 

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And we would have been able to sign him as a result, had we truly needed him. But Sancho is a better signing - younger, IMO more talented and plays in a position we lack quality in.
You could make a pretty impressive team out of all the players you coulda, woulda, shoulda had.
Even Pep secretly craved the United job.
 

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Sane was sold last year in the 2019-2020 so would his account for 20-21? Not saying I agree with it I’m just saying this is what some people are adding to there net spent argument don’t know they exact details find it a little weird on how stuff like that works.
That means you write off 40m as an incoming from the previous season. A season in which they only brought in 15m (without Sane) but spent 145m.

Penniless Pitstop not going to talk about youth player sales that season? Haeellllp!
 

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One thing I do like about City is their behind the scenes stuff when they sign a new player. No idea why I enjoy watching them, but I wish Chelsea did these too.

 

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I remember when Hazard left is we wished him well. He left a legend and one of the best players I’ve seen play for us.

Grealish is getting slated, called a rat or a snake etc. Villa fans are weirdos.
 

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Grealish is an absolutely brilliant player. It will be so interesting to see how he fits in at City.
 

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I remember when Hazard left is we wished him well. He left a legend and one of the best players I’ve seen play for us.

Grealish is getting slated, called a rat or a snake etc. Villa fans are weirdos.
We kind of knew Hazard was leaving for Madrid months in advance to be fair. Grealish was sweet talking to Villa fans recently about believing in the project and the vision of the club apparently. That's just according to the Villa fans I talk to on twitter. Then the CEO came out and publicly told them that Grealish insisted on the release clause.

From the outside looking in I thought the same as you at first, but I can kind of get why they're upset with him.
 
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Just a question that I wanted to see the answer and opinion on -

For all the times United players left and went on to play for City;

Would you be okay if we buy someone like an unsettled Grealish from City to come to United instead?
 

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Just a question that I wanted to see the answer and opinion on -

For all the times United players left and went on to play for City;

Would you be okay if we buy someone like an unsettled Grealish from City to come to United instead?
Of course! Why would we say no to a good player just because he made the mistake of signing for the berties? For the majority of my life Man City were irrelevant, it's only the last decade where they've become "rivals".
 

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No you can't.
Ofcourse you can. We know that there is large extra fee just because he is english player. Just like numbers that have been circuling round Rice, Trippier and so on. So you can get 3-4 very, very good players from France or other leagues.

As I said. Aston VIlla may have lost a good player, but they should be very, very happy with the money they got.
 

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Sane was sold last year in the 2019-2020 so would his account for 20-21? Not saying I agree with it I’m just saying this is what some people are adding to there net spent argument don’t know they exact details find it a little weird on how stuff like that works.
He was sold last year, so he will be accounted in last year accounts which end by June. If we go by that, Grealish will be this year accounts, so 2 different financial years and 2 different seasons.

Sane was sold in 2020-21 season. He will be accounted in 2020-21 FY

Grealish was signed in 2021-22 season, he will be accounted in 2021-22 FY, which starts from July.
 
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One thing I do like about City is their behind the scenes stuff when they sign a new player. No idea why I enjoy watching them, but I wish Chelsea did these too.

No problem mate, birds of plastic feather glue together.

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He was sold last year, so he will be accounted in last year accounts which end by June. If we go by that, Grealish will be this year accounts, so 2 different financial years and 2 different seasons.

Same was sold in 2020-21 season. He will be accounted in 2020-21 FY

Grealish was signed in 2021-22 season, he will be accounted in 2021-22 FY, which starts from July.
That makes sense, then I don’t why Ducker or other fans are using Sane transfer fee for this period.
 

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I find the reaction of some Villa fans quite surprising. If you leave your boyhood club to go to the best team in England, I can’t really think of a better way to do it than helping your club get promoted to the PL, staying to help them stabilise in the PL, signing a new contract with a massive release clause to guarantee your club gets a large fee for your transfer and then leaving without any noise or fuss on good terms with the club. What more could he really have done?

The argument from some Villa fans that they’re going to challenge and Grealish should have stayed to be a part of it is a bit naive. Realistically, even with Grealish, they are odds against to qualify for the Champions League this coming season. There is a chasm between them and City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool which would have been very difficult to bridge. For Villa fans to claim they would finish top 4 actually shows a level of arrogance and is dismissive of other clubs such as Leicester and Arsenal who finished above them last season.

Assuming they wouldn’t finish top 4 this coming season you are then effectively asking Grealish to stick around for the (still unlikely) prospect of playing Champions League football with Villa in the 23/24 season. And even in that case you still wouldn’t expect them to have a realistic chance of winning the thing which he has now at City.

Moreover, if Villa really do have such ambitions, how long will it be before they decide Dean Smith is not the man to take them there and then go through another building phase with a new manager.

Grealish has done the right thing for his career ultimately and has also done right by Villa.

It’s just a shame he’s going to City.
Nobody's saying we're getting top 4 this season, or even next. But he signed on professing his belief in the project, which is obviously on a longer timeframe than just 10 months. The least we expected was for him to see out the first couple of years to see where we were trending. If we were stagnant or trending downwards, by all means you can have your move with our blessing.

In reality, as Purslow stated, it wasn't just a move that transpired out of the blue that turned his head, he's been engineering this since he signed the contract. He didn't care about any project, he essentially knew he was off the minute a CL team came in for him and was allegedly talking to City as early as December of last year, just 3 months after he signed the contract. Even after signing for City he said it's been a difficult few months for him. He was still a Villa player playing in a competition a few months ago!
 

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I would like to ask where Pogba ranks in terms of ball carriers in the league and more specifically how does he compare to Grealish in that particular quality. Because I do think Pogba himself is an excellent ball carrier and one of the major reasons why I don't feel we needed Grealish if he was staying. I do also think that Grealish is a more efficient one, that is, Pogba is more a Ronaldinho type (using skills and the likes to beat players while Grealish is more an Iniesta, Messi type, just gliding past players). Would like to read people's view regarding this, which type of dribblers or ball carriers would you prefer and which do you think is more effective.

As for the league title, people need to realize no matter how good the quality of players City sign, it's still only going to be a marginal improvement to their team. The catch up effect of our own signings due to the base we are starting from will inevitably lead to us closing the gap. The one thing City have been very good at, that makes them consistently favourite for the league is their ability to defeat teams they are expected to consistently and it's the one thing I believe Ole has identified and is resolving subject to the limits of the financial resources at his disposal.

Our signings of Sancho and Varane incredibly helps our chances of defeating this smaller teams consistently because Sancho helps us create more chances while Varane helps us push the defensive line higher, there by hopefully helping us become more dominant in these games and also plucks the set pieces leak that keeps derailing us against these teams last season.

Is quite clear we are closing the gap on them, we might not still be able to match them in a one match face off, but we quite clearly are gathering the tools necessary to dispatch teams 4-5 nil regularly as they do, and would probably lead to us being able to accumulate the points needed to compete for the league. Their signing of Grealish (a fine player that he is, one of my favourites to watch) doesn't really impact their ability to annihilate this teams consistently to accumulate the needed points or if it does, it's only marginally, as they are already excellent at it but our signings do significantly impact our ability to beat those teams.
That's a fantastic and thorough post.
I agree with the points you've made. Whether Grealish is a better player than Sancho is a discussion that seems to miss the key point that you've highlighted : it's all about the marginal improvement that a signing makes.

Sancho and Varane address same gaping issues that we have had over the past 2 seasons, while Grealish might not necessarily catapult City to another level because the skill set doesn't necessarily address a pressing concern that City have.

You articulated that better than I or most could have.
 

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Nobody's saying we're getting top 4 this season, or even next. But he signed on professing his belief in the project, which is obviously on a longer timeframe than just 10 months. The least we expected was for him to see out the first couple of years to see where we were trending. If we were stagnant or trending downwards, by all means you can have your move with our blessing.

In reality, as Purslow stated, it wasn't just a move that transpired out of the blue that turned his head, he's been engineering this since he signed the contract. He didn't care about any project, he essentially knew he was off the minute a CL team came in for him and was allegedly talking to City as early as December of last year, just 3 months after he signed the contract. Even after signing for City he said it's been a difficult few months for him. He was still a Villa player playing in a competition a few months ago!
He's 25 though. Should he really have to wait till he's 27 before moving with the fans blessing? That's assuming the opportunity is still even there in two years.

You've had a lot of good years from him, probably quite lucky to keep hold of that calibre of player for as long as you have.

In reality I don't think the Villa fans would ever be happy with him leaving.
 

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How many fouls has he already won at City?
 

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Guardiola is only spouting what every club does. They spend money from income whether it’s transfers or prize money, shirt sales or (genuine) sponsorship. This crap was for the benefit of UEFA and the PL. United paid £70 odd million for Sancho but it was only £4.40 because of income from sponsors and tv money. More BS from the Emptyhad.
 

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I remember when Hazard left is we wished him well. He left a legend and one of the best players I’ve seen play for us.

Grealish is getting slated, called a rat or a snake etc. Villa fans are weirdos.
It’s a bit different though, Hazard had done everything with Chelsea and left a legend after giving the largest chunk of his career to the club. Chelsea knew they wouldn’t stop challenging

Grealish is just about to enter his peak and the team is getting investment. He has constantly proclaimed of his love for Villa and right as they look like challenging for Europe again, they lose their best player who was Villa though and though.

The bile? No, but you can understand the disappointment.
 

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He's 25 though. Should he really have to wait till he's 27 before moving with the fans blessing? That's assuming the opportunity is still even there in two years.

You've had a lot of good years from him, probably quite lucky to keep hold of that calibre of player for as long as you have.

In reality I don't think the Villa fans would ever be happy with him leaving.
He could have left last year instead of signing the contract and we wouldn't hold it against him. Or even that time when Levy was in for him. We understand that he's outpaced the club a long while ago and we've been blessed to keep him this long as you say.

It's specifically because he signed that 5 year contract after we almost got relegated and expressed his desire to see out this project and that this is his city, his home etc that makes it disappointing. He didn't need to do any of that. We've made significant strides and we really thought he'd be the one pushing us on.
 

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He could have left last year instead of signing the contract and we wouldn't hold it against him. Or even that time when Levy was in for him. We understand that he's outpaced the club a long while ago and we've been blessed to keep him this long as you say.

It's specifically because he signed that 5 year contract after we almost got relegated and expressed his desire to see out this project and that this is his city, his home etc that makes it disappointing. He didn't need to do any of that. We've made significant strides and we really thought he'd be the one pushing us on.
Yeah get what you mean, broken promise type thing.

But I suppose in signing that new contract he guaranteed you a massive fee. Then once he's signed it he can hardly come out and tell you the truth of the situation.

The owners must have know this as well. They surely didn't think he'd see the contract out.
 

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Ofcourse you can. We know that there is large extra fee just because he is english player. Just like numbers that have been circuling round Rice, Trippier and so on. So you can get 3-4 very, very good players from France or other leagues.

As I said. Aston VIlla may have lost a good player, but they should be very, very happy with the money they got.
If you could get 3-4 great players for 100M, then there wouldn't be any need to get a Grealish for 100M. The game is flooded with money. Come bidding 25M for a young talent and you'll easily get outbid.

Villa can be happy about the inflow of cash but using it to buy squad players won't take them to the next level.
 

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Yeah get what you mean, broken promise type thing.

But I suppose in signing that new contract he guaranteed you a massive fee. Then once he's signed it he can hardly come out and tell you the truth of the situation.

The owners must have know this as well. They surely didn't think he'd see the contract out.
While the fee is massive, it's still short of what the club would have valued him at without the clause.

Ironically if the club had held out for 140m or whatever it is they truly valued him at, they'd be accused of holding him hostage, but he's essentially done the reverse. We would have lost him (likely to you guys) for 60-70m last year had we not put that clause in there.
 

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Pep claiming Grealish cost them 40 million because they've made 60 million in transfer fee's.

I'd love to know where that 60 million has come from. I can only see 34 million on transfmrkt.
I wonder if I can sell my wedding ring and buy an Oled tv and tell my wife it only cost me $100 :angel:
 

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There are hypocrites and then theres Pep. He can't just say OK we bought him for 100 million, he needs to make stuff up so it seems it cost them less somehow.
 

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There are hypocrites and then theres Pep. He can't just say OK we bought him for 100 million, he needs to make stuff up so it seems it cost them less somehow.
He knows what the City fans want to hear. Them and Liverpool fans are the net spend kings.