I'm joking. I've got mine in January as I'm working in the Medical industry. I'm so jaded by the cretinism of the anti vax movement that I can only respond with half assed derogatory responses to any science questioning weirdo.
Vaccination of Squad
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I'm gonna go get some popcorn on the hob.
Goals by unvaccinated players shouldn't count 
It's got to be a bit of a conundrum with elite tier sports' squads.
Wouldn't the lessened symptoms you get due to having the vaccine possibly cause bigger outbreaks if they first happen as it wouldn't be as easily noticed?
Wouldn't the lessened symptoms you get due to having the vaccine possibly cause bigger outbreaks if they first happen as it wouldn't be as easily noticed?
Also, this isn't a reward. This is punishment.
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If the bats had been well done in the first place this whole covid debacle would never have happened.
Always an interesting experience when a thread strikes a balance between the football forum and the general.
Sorry but I’m calling BS on this.
All the anti vaccine stuff is anecdotal.
Pro vaccine side of the debate prefers peer reviewed scientific data analysis.
Yeah, I didn’t feel like running around the day after I had my vaccine.
We will.We’ll see
To everyone - No ridiculous anti-vaccination posts here, please. Go and post that rubbish on your Facebook feed.
Vaccines don't stop you from catching the virus, that isn't how they work. They reduce the severity of it when you do.
I fully understand every player who is not convinced to get it. Nothing more to say from my side.
I fully understand that anyone not convinced to get vaccinated is misinformed/ wrong and taking a big risk with their health.
Manchester United players worth millions should protect their health
How would the club react if a player said he wasn’t convinced that stretching his calf muscles was a good thing?
Bloody hell, if anyone doesn't "know what it's about", by now they must be seriously lacking intelligence, or live in the most isolated bubble ever.
Or even better, don’t post it anywhere.
Yeah I'm not surprised.
There are still a lot of under 30s unvaxxed (though fewer in the UK than in most other countries) and most of them will think they "know what it's about."
Sometimes they think it's about their personal fitness/toughness, or the fact they had covid last year, or they didn't have covid last year, or they got sucked down into one of the Instagram misinformation disaster zones.
If they're a typical cross-section of the population, then some will have questions, some will think it's not important to them, some will be worried about something they've read. No harm in talking about it.
Unfortunately that describes many footballers. Many of the assorted people in their entourages aren’t any better. It’s not hard for someone close to them to be ignorant and for that opinion to percolate through their bubble. You see it in other sports, often with WAGs pushing anti vaccine perspectives.
At this point I will no longer accept an argument of "I need to know more". There are volumes or articles and hundreds of hours of video of experts all over the internet explaining in basic terms what this is all about. To claim you need to know more is to admit that: 1) you do not, and will not, trust any experts to inform you or 2) are willfully remaining ignorant.
Not vaccinated doesn't necessarily mean anti-vax. Many of them may have concerns on how the vaccines will work on their bodies and they wouldn't want to do anything that may cause long term effects. They have worked hard to reach top levels of football, they wouldn't want to risk it. It maybe a matter of being able to answer all their concerns.
Nope, no having this. Any expert that the team brings in will tell them that the long term risk of vaccination is practically zero.
THIS IS NOT GENE THERAPY
Source: my PhD in infectious disease, specializing in molecular microbiology
Bloody Rashford
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Yeah but in fairness on one side you’ve got practically zero lasting effects of the vaccine, and on the other you’ve got many possible debilitating long lasting effects of getting COVID. I can understand why some are still on the fence… or not.
Given the alternative to the vax is covid, and that's known to have immediate adverse effects on athletes (ranging from heart inflammation to reduced sperm count) as well as the potential for longer term impacts, it should be an easy sell. But you might have to talk them out of whatever "clean living" guru myth they've been listening to.
The apathetic, "I can't be bothered because it won't hurt me," group will lose the apathy once the club gets on their case.
True, a real Sophie's choice that is.
Looks at location...yep that feels right.
I don't know who that it, but I can tell you that 100% of all my colleagues (MD's, PhD's, and MD/PhD's) are vaccinated. That almost every expert I have read or seen on the news is vaccinated. That all the literature, going back to the 1990's, has discussed the efficacy of mRNA vaccines as being a gamechanger.
Also, if he is claiming that this vaccine is "gene therapy" then I would 100% say he is wrong. This is not gene therapy. Gene therapy by almost any scientists definition would be the insertion, or deletion, of a gene from an organism (in this case humans) genome. This vaccine is most assuredly not that,
A PHD doesn't make you an expert. The experts agree that, for the vast majority of people, the risk from the vaccine is substantially lower than the risk from COVID. Given that the former is 97% effective in protecting against the latter, it is only logical to take it.
They have been proven to give people stupidity and laziness, sounds like you made the right call here mate.
Ok, I read some of this dipshits shit. He is claiming that there is a risk of DNA alteration due to transposon mediated insertion. Bullshit. Is there in infinitesimal chance that every circumstance could magically align for a single cell in your body to have an insertion event? Sure, but there is also an infinitesimal chance I could wake up tomorrow looking like (not fat)Ronaldo and married to Scarlett Johansson. Don't believe me. have a read:
Host-Virus Chimeric Events in SARS-CoV-2-Infected Cells Are Infrequent and Artifactual | Journal of Virology (asm.org)
The fact that something can happen, and the reality of if having a realistic chance of happening are 2 different things. mRNA vaccines are a miracle of modern science and are going to revolutionize our fight against infectious disease. We should be excited about the future of this technology.
Just saw this after posting my response. I read one of his tweet threads and while I amp not an expert in tranposon mutagenesis I do understand how it works. I also understand that with any medical treatment there is a risk of rare side effects. While his argument CAN happen, it is far, far outweighed by the public health benefit of mass vaccination. Thank you also for the civil conversation. I get worked up by this as I constantly fight battles with people who think their uncle in Alabama is more informed than someone who devoted a decade to it (me).
Ya. Logically it makes sense to get vaccinated when you get a chance.
Not sure what club has talked to the people not vaccinated
Isn't it mandatory for EPL? Not much of a discussion.
As extraordinarily highly paid professional athletes I don’t think we should cut them the same slack as your average ambivalent 20 something year old.
The cost to the club of any one of them missing a couple of weeks due to covid, or being below par for even longer is enormous. Plus daily testing means that asymptomatic cases will be just as disruptive as symptomatic illness. Which is not an issue for your average joe. And that’s without even getting into the catastrophe of a dressing room cluster of cases.
They should all be leaned on heavily to get a vaccine. And they should have been leaned on all summer long. It’s just not good enough for them to be allowed weeks or months to prevaricate. Never mind refuse altogether.
I can confirm that he’s talking absolute nonsense here, whoever he is. The licensed vaccines deliver RNA, not DNA. And it’s not possible for them to integrate with our genome. Assuming he really is as qualified as he claims, I’ll have to assume he is being deliberately misleading. Shame on him.
EDIT: Being as charitable as possible to what he says there it’s possible he’s talking about a different class of vaccines. That hasn’t yet produced a licensed vaccine. And someone else is using what he said out of context. In which case, shame on them.
So my girlfriend has a PhD in Molecular Microbiology and happens to work with researchers who among other things work on vaccine applications. I've been fortunate enough to get to listen in on conversations on the whole anti-vaccination thing over the past year and half.
Conclusion: Grow up and get vaccinated.
Conclusion: Grow up and get vaccinated.
That sounds like a awesome dinner party, can I catch an invite?
My wife also has a PhD in MM, so our dinner conversations have included the best ways to extract DNA from mouse poop and arguing about the best way to transform DNA into bacteria (the answer is always electroporation, Calcium Chloride is for amateurs .......just don't tell her I said that)
Should just ask Pogba to tell everyone how covid fecked him for about two months, or Henderson to talk about his long covid.
I'm surprised no one else has made this great point as of now. If there is one thing this
I can imagine they have insurance on all their biggest assets i.e. the players (see the tragic case of Sala). I can also imagine that Covid clauses in those insurance contracts have been introduced or will be introduced shortly to make sure a player refusing the vaccines won't be covered.
If even one of our players is out for the long term, that's millions of £££s in losses. I can't imagine the Glazers taking this risk.