If your partner got the vaccine & died you wouldn’t be saying that.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
You've lost me on this logic here so i'll leave you to it.
That's a glib and lazy comment. We all know that, what we can't do is stop it happening by making a wish.
If you really want zero covid deaths, you should support compulsory vaccination, mass lockdowns, ongoing border restrictions, continuous use of high quality facemasks in public places, and mass daily testing with enforced quarantine for positive tests and their contacts, with strong punishments for those breaking the rules.
Personally I don't. I'm surprised you do given that you've just asked us to stop calling the unvaxxed names.
So then let’s stop all modern medicine because pretty much every medication has killed someone inadvertently
Do you think you make the most logical decisions while dispassionate or while emotionally devastated?
What point are you actually trying to make here?
DNFTT
Absolutely years since I used that acronym.
Absolutely years since I used that acronym.
Had to Google that.
I thought you were smart. So genuine question, do you intend to discuss properly or are you here to troll?
If you want to discuss, I have a question. Will wait on your reply first.
Feck. Know I feel old.
I'm probably older than you. I am 40
1 death is too many with the vaccine, but >600,000 without it is okay?
Why in gods name would you have thought that?
I wish I was still 40
I’d understand someone’s point if they have a medical reason for not doing so. Otherwise sorry I don’t understand their point and probably never will
To the unvaxxers.. have they ever taken any type of medication and read the side effects in the pamphlet?
my bp tablets for example said that a side effect may be “death” but I don’t see people mass protesting that.
my bp tablets for example said that a side effect may be “death” but I don’t see people mass protesting that.
Big penis tablets?
That is a silly argument. If someone died in a parachuting accident I'm sure their relatives would wish they hadn't gone parachuting that day but I'm fairly sure they wouldn't wish that people started throwing themselves out of planes without one.
I don’t know why so many anti vaxxers become so illogical
We are talking about a dramatic event that just raises somes questions about the side effects of a vaccine.
This tragic death has been really reported because she was a BBC journalist....
Otherwise - in no way - they would have communicated in this way
This is how the average human being reacts.
This tragic death has been really reported because she was a BBC journalist....
Otherwise - in no way - they would have communicated in this way
Time will tell but there are good reasons to think:
- The vaccine efficacy is overrated
- The side effects are underrated
I'm sure their relatives would wish a parachuting activity better regulated or even forbidden.
This is how the average human being reacts.
Well let’s say their plane was in danger of crashing and the pilot thinks he might not get it under control and is a advising parachutes and jumping. Is someone going to say “I don’t trust parachutes, they are not designed to open. I will take my chances”
No one is going to say that right? Everyone is going to take a parachute and be glad off it
You really are or this is my (lack of?) german humor kicking in?
Haha no I can’t work those people out, or at least I can’t work out many of the reasons they give. They don’t make sense
But that's exactly what they are all about
What questions? Someone died from a known but incredibly rare side effect. We know. Given the alternative is huge piles of dead bodies and a collapsed health system and economy vaccination is a no-bainer. Ironic given the through processes (or lack thereof) of anti-vaxxers.
Good luck regulating or forbidding a virus.
And how the average human reacts must be about the worst criteria for deciding anything ever.
Maybe they were never logical to start with?
Oh, for feck sake. What baseless drivel.
We're around 10 months into vaccination with said vaccines and I'm surprised this is your conclusion, honestly. Every statistic there is shows how effective the vaccines work and how minor the side effects generally are and how rare major side effects occur, especially compared to the alternative - an infection with corona.
Not to mention that research shows there’s a higher chance of clots or strokes as a side effect of catching covid.
https://bbc.in/3zlFy27?fbclid=IwAR3UgT2fsMRUmQlhq6Bo50IcvVgEXLzQITdMBVtYEQwy0pEtmQ2aeSNlm38
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Interesting. Considering we can’t forbid COVID, I would be very interested in your views on better regulation for it. By that I’m assuming what you mean that we should have restrictions and lockdowns in place indefinitely rather than using this vaccine approach?
@Wibble
You have recourse to argumentum ad hominem but I am perfectly fine with that because I sometimes do the same!
I know the vaccines are effective in real life but I can see that:
- some lockdowns in highly-vaccinated countries
- people now recommend a 3rd dose
The problem is so complex, multi-dimensional and new that it is maybe an impossible task in the short run to really assess the vaccine effect.
I just invite people to be more intellectually humble when it comes to analysing stats
You have recourse to argumentum ad hominem but I am perfectly fine with that because I sometimes do the same!
The general public is provided with some vaccine efficacy rates that are quite high (sometimes near 100%).
I know the vaccines are effective in real life but I can see that:
- some lockdowns in highly-vaccinated countries
- people now recommend a 3rd dose
The problem is so complex, multi-dimensional and new that it is maybe an impossible task in the short run to really assess the vaccine effect.
I just invite people to be more intellectually humble when it comes to analysing stats
@Wibble
You have recourse to argumentum ad hominem but I am perfectly fine with that because I sometimes do the same!
The general public is provided with some vaccine efficacy rates that are quite high (sometimes near 100%).
I know the vaccines are effective in real life but I can see that:
- some lockdowns in highly-vaccinated countries
- people now recommend a 3rd dose
The problem is so complex, multi-dimensional and new that it is maybe an impossible task in the short run to really assess the vaccine effect.
I just invite people to be more intellectually humble when it comes to analysing stats
At its most basic the vaccine is to stop deaths and hospitalisation so why don’t you start with those stats too assess its effectiveness?
I do not have any recommendations to make.
My only wish is a regulation is a regulation that guarantees basic human rights.
Even if we both know nothing on the matter, I would need to know your definition of "effectiveness" before thinking about the opportunity (or not) to answer your question.
To prevent deaths and hospitalisation, of which we can see they are very effective at.
They are effective but we still have a lot of things to learn about the degree of efficacy.
Think I will stop to post on this topic because my views are not interesting, and I have nothing to add
Great news in Denmark where the government have now announced that on 10th September Covid-19 will now longer be classed as a risk to society.
Thailand, Singapore, more and more countries moving rightfully in the endemic phase.
Just in time for my Copenhagen half marathon on 19th Sept too
Thailand, Singapore, more and more countries moving rightfully in the endemic phase.
Just in time for my Copenhagen half marathon on 19th Sept too
Aren't we still in the middle of a pandemic? With around 700-800k reported cases per day worldwide, "endemic" sounds like an euphemism.Great news in Denmark where the government have now announced that on 10th September Covid-19 will now longer be classed as a risk to society.
Thailand, Singapore, more and more countries moving rightfully in the endemic phase.
Just in time for my Copenhagen half marathon on 19th Sept too
Logic and antivax are mutually exclusive.