F1 2021 Season

[dinostar77]

Just listening to a two parter of Beyond the Grid special about Ferrari. Interviewing Mansell at the moment. I'd forgotten that Mansell was the reason id got into F1 as a kid. Gilles Villeneuve was before i was born, but apparently he and Mansell are two of the most exciting drivers to watch in F1 history. Balls to the wall brave or some would say suicidal.

Best of Mansell overtakes below. Its hard to appreciate what he did. As you forget there was no power steering, no fly by wire brakes, manual gearbox and a screaming v10 with 15,000 rpm naturally aspirated.

 

[Leg-End]

Mansell was a bloody monster, take away a couple of unfortunate DNF's and he's probably a 3 time world champion in an era with Piquet, Senna and Prost in top cars.

 

[Buster15]

McLaren team principal Andreas Seidl took a gentle dig at his opposite number at Red Bull, Christian Horner, for his ongoing complaints about the impact of damage on Formula 1 teams in the cost cap era following the expensive Hungarian Grand Prix.

Horner announced the cost of Max Verstappen’s crash at Silverstone as $1.8 million and was then further annoyed by the repair bill from the race in Budapest, when both Red Bulls were damaged after Valtteri Bottas’ error at Turn 1. Both McLarens also took big hits — Lando Norris was forced to retire after contact with Bottas and Verstappen, while Daniel Ricciardo was caught in a separate crash with Lance Stroll and Charles Leclerc — but Seidl said that dealing with the extra cost when there are budget restrictions is simply part of F1.

“No (it doesn’t need addressing), not at all,” Seidl said. “I definitely will not go in the direction that Christian is going, mentioning every second sentence the cost cap and how much it will be hurt by it by an accident on track. In the end, it’s part of the game we’re in. It’s down to us to manage the budget in the right way.

“It will be a challenge to make sure now we have enough parts of the new specification available for Spa, but on the other hand, we have a great team back home in production and the engineering side, so I am confident we can recover from what happened.

“I don’t see that it affects anything of our plans, to be honest. It is quite simple and straightforward. At the beginning of the season, based on the experience of previous years, you simply have to account for certain crash damage per year. That’s what you have to figure in, and that’s what we have in the budget and that’s the challenge that we are in. It’s the same for everyone.”

Christian Horner winges about pretty much everything. My understanding was that all the teams accepted the need for a budget cap as a means of levelling out.

What Seidl says is quite right. It is all about assessment of the risks when allocating the budget.
That is what any good business would do.

 

[Buster15]

Mansell was a bloody monster, take away a couple of unfortunate DNF's and he's probably a 3 time world champion in an era with Piquet, Senna and Prost in top cars.

Off the track, he could be boring.
On the track, he was anything but. Always trying. Always pushing. Always something happening. And never afraid of anyone. Loved to watch him.

 

[senorgregster]

Mansell was a bloody monster, take away a couple of unfortunate DNF's and he's probably a 3 time world champion in an era with Piquet, Senna and Prost in top cars.

That blow out...

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I thought Mansell was pretty damm good, had a few unfortunate DNF and that blow out OMG !!

 

[senorgregster]

I thought Mansell was pretty damm good, had a few unfortunate DNF and that blow out OMG !!

I remember that blow out so well. Just gutted when it happened.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I remember that blow out so well. Just gutted when it happened.

he did well to control the car, could've easily been a nasty accident.

 

[elmo]

Will the teams be penalised if they spend too much?
Put simply, yes. There are three categories of potential breaches. The first is a procedural breach, such as a team submitting their accounts late or inaccurately. The second is a minor overspend breach, when a team’s report shows they have exceeded the cost cap by less than 5 percent or the Cost Cap Administration finds they have exceeded that percentage. The third is a material overspend breach, where a team’s submission of their accounts or an investigation by the panel shows they have exceeded the cost cap by more than 5 percent.
Once a breach has been identified, three forms of penalty are possible. The first is a financial penalty. The value of the fine will be determined on a case-by-case basis. The second is a minor sporting penalty which could be a combination of a reprimand, deduction of constructors and/or drivers points, a ban for a certain number of races, limitations on testing – both CFD and on-track – and/or a reduction of their cost cap.
The third is the material sporting penalty, which is the most serious as it can involve all of the above plus exclusion from the World Championship.

They should just make the penalty be a cap on the total points you're able to score. For example, if Red Bull exceeds the cap by 20%, their points total will be decided by 1.2.

That'll keep the big boys compliant to the budget quickly.

 

[psychdelicblues]

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[gormless]

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The paralympics are literally next week

 

[Fluctuation0161]

The paralympics are literally next week

I heard Japan were contractually obliged to run the Olympics. To the end of billions of pounds fine if they didn't. Maybe f1 are more lenient...

Not 100% though.

 

[elmo]

What a shame, would have loved a Red Bull win at Japan for Honda's last home race in F1

 

[The Firestarter]

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They could do a whole Olympics, but they can't do a by default bubbled event like a grand prix ?

 

[F-Red]

They could do a whole Olympics, but they can't do a by default bubbled event like a grand prix ?

There's a difference when the Japanese government and Japanese tax payers had money at stake in terms of funding for the olympics.

 

[The Firestarter]

There's a difference when the Japanese government and Japanese tax payers had money at stake in terms of funding for the olympics.

No, they actually lost money on the Olympics. The difference is that they had no control- it was fully in the IOC hands.

 

[F-Red]

No, they actually lost money on the Olympics. The difference is that they had no control- it was fully in the IOC hands.

My point is that the tax payers are not footing the bill for the Japanese GP which makes the decision to cancel much easier and less political.

 

[The Firestarter]

My point is that the tax payers are not footing the bill for the Japanese GP which makes the decision to cancel much easier and less political.

Sure, but it's also much less risk involved, that's why I question the decision.

 

[F-Red]

Sure, but it's also much less risk involved, that's why I question the decision.

Risk for what though? The government were going to put it on behind closed doors like the Olympics, and Liberty aren't subsidising promoters this season like they were through covid last year. If there's no fans at the race, then it's pretty much a loss making event and pointless to run, the decision was already made to a certain degree.

Wouldn't be surprised now if Mugello makes another appearance, and possibly another visit to Bahrain.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

My point is that the tax payers are not footing the bill for the Japanese GP which makes the decision to cancel much easier and less political.

There is also not a billion+ pound fine for canceling the F1 as there was for the Olympics.

 

[Desert Eagle]

They are all awful.

Only good one is Hamiltons

 

[Leg-End]

Japan probably won't be the last cancellation yet, I would guess the US, Mexican and Brazilian GP's are all a bit risky.

 

[Cheimoon]

Japan probably won't be the last cancellation yet, I would guess the US, Mexican and Brazilian GP's are all a bit risky.

The US grand prix is in Texas; I'd say that's very unlikely to be cancelled. (Even if that would make no sense when the time comes.)

 

[dinostar77]

The US grand prix is in Texas; I'd say that's very unlikely to be cancelled. (Even if that would make no sense when the time comes.)

Theres talk of a double header at texas to make up for losing the Japanese GP. I hate back to back races at the same track with the same layout. Bahrain being the exception. Normal layout and the awesome short layout.

 

[senorgregster]

The US grand prix is in Texas; I'd say that's very unlikely to be cancelled. (Even if that would make no sense when the time comes.)

They will likely require proof that you have visited Florida in the last week.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

https://racingnews365.com/which-grands-prix-are-under-threat-in-2021

 

[pauldyson1uk]

The Losail International Circuit in Qatar is reportedly set to replace Melbourne as a replacement venue on Formula 1's 2021 calendar.

The cancellation of the Australian Grand Prix due to the Covid-19 pandemic has left F1's schedule with a free slot in November. Formula 1 has been considering alternative venues, in both November and in October following the annulment of the Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka, also due to the coronavirus pandemic.

In order to preserve F1's 23-race agenda, a double-header at the Circuit of the Americas in Austin has reportedly been tabled as well as a return to Bahrain.

But according to multiple sources, Qatar has come to the forefront as a probable replacement venue for November
The peninsular Arab country has been on MotoGP's map since 2004, while the Losail International Circuit, which holds an FIA Grade 1 licence, has also staged rounds of the World Superbike series as well as of the World Touring Car Championship.
The venue's addition to the calendar in late November would concentrate Formula 1's final leg in the Middle-East, with Jeddah in Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi hosting the final two rounds of the 2021 F1 season.


After F1's upcoming Spa-Zandvoort-Monza triple-header, teams are scheduled to head to Russia and then to Turkey. However, the latter is still currently on the UK's red list - countries from where returning travelers need to quarantine for 10 days in a government hotel in the UK - a status that puts the event in Istanbul in jeopardy.

The same applies for Mexico and Brazil, the second and third rounds of F1's leg on the American continent.

 

[F-Red]

Losail would be a boring circuit for F1. I'd rather see anther circuit do a double header and mix it up with tyre choices.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Losail would be a boring circuit for F1. I'd rather see anther circuit do a double header and mix it up with tyre choices.

Never seen any race at it.
But it looks like it could be OK , couple of fast straights, 16 corners, looks like a few good overtaking places.
This vid is only a sim but gives you an idea

 

[Leg-End]

Losail would be a boring circuit for F1. I'd rather see anther circuit do a double header and mix it up with tyre choices.

Agreed, amazing how they managed to create a circuit with literally no redeeming features.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Agreed, amazing how they managed to create a circuit with literally no redeeming features.

It's more of a MOTOGP style circuit. Lots of flowing, sweeping corners that transition into each other.

It's not really that it's a bad circuit, it actually looks very fun to drive.

It's more the fact modern f1 cars only work on certain style of tracks. With the dirty air issue right now cars just wouldn't be able to get close to eachother, and I don't see many late braking areas that they could lunge into.

Anyway, needs must - if there's nowhere else that'll be safe enough or work logistically then it'lll have to do.

 

[Leg-End]

It probably is fun to drive because its lovely sweeping stuff but that is boring unless you break it up with some big stopping zones or... well anything. I couldn't remember a single corner on that circuit, it just exists.

 

[Dan]

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[pauldyson1uk]

The Alpine F1 team unsurprisingly confirmed its 2022 line-up, with Fernando Alonso racing alongside Esteban Ocon whose contract with the French outfit runs until the end of 2024.

 

[RoadTrip]

Never seen any race at it.
But it looks like it could be OK , couple of fast straights, 16 corners, looks like a few good overtaking places.
This vid is only a sim but gives you an idea

You think? I thought the opposite - I cant see many, if any, overtaking places on that track since as someone above pointed out, I cant see how cars will be able to stay close to the car ahead without a huge speed advantage because of dirty air.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

You think? I thought the opposite - I cant see many, if any, overtaking places on that track since as someone above pointed out, I cant see how cars will be able to stay close to the car ahead without a huge speed advantage because of dirty air.

I have only seen that vid of the track, you make a good point about the dirty air.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Lewis Hamilton says a very uncomfortable bump that has appeared at Spa's Eau Rouge has "kind of ruined" the daunting corner, the Mercedes driver speculating that the issue may be linked to recent mudslides.
Then this crash , he could be right.
This crash was shocking

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Belgian GP Practice One Timesheet

Driver	Team	Time
1) Valtteri Bottas	Mercedes	1:45.199
2) Max Verstappen	Red Bull	+0.164
3) Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	+0.500
4) Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	+0.619
5) Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	+0.736
6) Sergio Perez	Red Bull	+0.928
7) Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	+0.978
8) Lando Norris	McLaren	+1.138
9) Esteban Ocon	Alpine	+1.298
10) Fernando Alonso	Alpine	+1.413
11) Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	+1.450
12) Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	+1.484
13) Antonio Giovinazzi	Alfa Romeo	+1.556
14) George Russell	Williams	+1.573
15) Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	+1.729
16) Nicholas Latifi	Williams	+1.902
17) Kimi Raikkonen	Alfa Romeo	+2.926
18) Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	+3.025
19) Nikita Mazepin	Haas	+3.506
20) Mick Schumacher	Haas	+3.860

Belgian GP Practice Two Timesheet

Driver	Team	Time
1) Max Verstappen	Red Bull	1:44.472
2) Valtteri Bottas	Mercedes	+0.041
3) Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	+0.072
4) Fernando Alonso	Alpine	+0.481
5) Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	+0.493
6) Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	+0.708
7) Esteban Ocon	Alpine	+0.830
8) Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	+0.864
9) Lando Norris	McLaren	+0.914
10) Sergio Perez	Red Bull	+0.932
11) Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	+1.045
12) Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	+1.286
13) Antonio Giovinazzi	Alfa Romeo	+1.317
14) Kimi Raikkonen	Alfa Romeo	+1.495
15) Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	+1.646
16) Nicholas Latifi	Williams	+1.726
17) George Russell	Williams	+2.193
18) Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	+2.364
19) Nikita Mazepin	Haas	+2.863
20) Mick Schumacher	Haas	+3.057

 

[Hal9000]

Lewis Hamilton says a very uncomfortable bump that has appeared at Spa's Eau Rouge has "kind of ruined" the daunting corner, the Mercedes driver speculating that the issue may be linked to recent mudslides.
Then this crash , he could be right.
This crash was shocking

Halo potentially saved a few lives there.

 

[senorgregster]

Halo potentially saved a few lives there.

The car coming in as the video ended is particularly bad. I hope everyone is ok.