[rimaldo]

If we had a number 6 they'd never touch the ball. Whats your point?

yep. if wolves had bollocks they’d be my auntie.

 

[Tragically Hip]

To me, it was a game which our players looked cocky and felt they didn't need to put in the work. They thought they could just freestyle their way to a win and looked stupid as a result.
It is undeniable that we should have lost by a couple goals at least, and I hope Ole let's them know that. Chelsea and City will not show up to any games with this mentality and that is why they are currently better units than us.

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

If we had a number 6 they'd never touch the ball. Whats your point?

Makes absolute sense considering most of their attacks started from their own defensive 3rd.

 

[OrcaFat]

He's completely derailed dvb. Like to the point he may never see the pitch again. Rashford has gotten worse since ole arrived. Pogba has been inconsistent since he arrived and was already a top tier player before he met ole. Bruno has been fine. Greenwood looks fine. James hasn't evolved at all. Martial gotten worse.

Ole is great at managing the personalities of players but can't help them strategically at all

Don’t think that is anyone’s fault but his own. If that. He’s just not good enough yet.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I disagreed when people said it was a foul on Bruno last week and I think that wasn't a foul by Pogba either. It's a physical game-Wolves outfought us a lot at times today but I don't know why they're crying about that tackle when contact was minimal. There really wasn't much in Pogba's challenge.

I'm actually liking this more lenient approach by the refs

It's the fact Souness was praising Burnley and their roughhouse tactics earlier and that referees are letting things go, then says this was a leg breaker. Hypocrite.

 

[NewGlory]

Can't see why Fred gets such a poor rating. He was fairly solid in his performance.

Yeah. Problems today were tactical / manager-induced. Fred is not a great holding midfielder, he never will be and we clearly need a better one, but he didn't do anything terrible today and he wasn't the worst player, neither did he personally cause any major problems.

 

[Fanta Stick]

They’ve been as good in all three games this season.
Their problem is finishing chances and ours is getting a flow through midfield

I agree they look a dangerous team (until they get near the penalty area.)

But we had plenty of possession in that first half and looked clueless as to what to do with it.

 

[Sweet Square]

Meh poor performance but happy to come away with the win. Also nice to set a new away record.

 

[Flytan]

Don’t think that is anyone’s fault but his own. If that. He’s just not good enough yet.

They bought a player for 35m and haven't given him any consistent gametime yet. That is 100 percent a failure on whoever decided to buy him. You don't get a player and never give him a chance regardless of how he is in training. Bad scouting and a bad decision to buy him

 

[McGrathsipan]

You cannae win anything with Freds.

Brilliant.

@Damien should make that your tagline

 

[VanDeBank]

I'm happy with the 3 points, but this is not a performance worth of a title challenging team. Wolves was the better team, even with the cnut ref.

And before people say "yeah you need some luck with these of type games, smash and grab, don't complain" , they said the same thing last season when we we didn't get to challenge.

I did feel a lack of urgency when we won possession to get moving on the break, and that has nothing to do with tactics.

 

[Buster15]

The result was of much more significance than the performance which was a bit frustrating.
We move on with an excellent away record and some very good additions.

 

[noelyman]

Cry some more

Still whining about his leg that was either not touched or barely touched? He spent I don't know how long running around the pitch showing people his leg.

It must have been a minute scratch if there was anything because it didn't show on camera and Dean didn't seem interested. It was embarassing.

My kids do that sometimes. Come running to me to show me a minor scratch on their finger. And despite it seeming a waste of a band aid I put one on to make them feel better. I think Neves just needed a band aid and a hug!

 

[Tomuś]

Pogba was nowhere near the player for the foul. Bruno was literally barged off the ball. Surely they can see the difference?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

What was supposed to be embarrassing?

Not sure Richard Keys is in any place to call Ole embarrassing.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

It Wolves had a number 9 or Adana could finish we’d lose that match.

That’s just a bunch of what if’s. What if they had this and what if they if had that. Other way around could be what if Ronaldo was playing today? What if Cavani was fully match fit and starting ahead of Dan James? What if Rashford was fully match fit and ready to be called upon? What if we had a DM instead of Fred that can keep hold of possession and play intelligent passes from deep? End of the day, we won. That’s all that matters in the end. Don’t care how you do it, as long you win. Was it an ugly performance? Yes. Do we need to sign a midfielder before the window shuts? Yes. But did we win the game which was the main target for today? Yes.

 

[IncyWincySpider]

Some positives:

Varane is absolutely world class, already looking like one of our best ever defensive signings

Greenwood's eye for goal

Cavani coming on instantly improved things

Umm... That's about it.

 

[largelyworried]

Yup, it’s a great win and seen it a lot of times in the past

How we have so many upset supporters after today I will never understand

Because in the long run performances are what takes you places, not hoping your opponents fluff their lines so you can take advantage before the end. And not only was this another poor performance after last week, it highlighted the same failings that we don’t seem to be any closer to solving.

 

[Withnail]

Not sure Richard Keys is in any place to call Ole embarrassing.

Agreed, he really isn't in any place to call anyone else embarrassing

 

[Devil_3565]

Quick question... That double save, wasn't that a foul on Varane?

 

[NK86]

You can say the same for Wolves. a number 9 is not gonna matter for them unless their coaching improves.

Are you being obtuse on purpose? First, I didn't talk about Wolves but just pointed out how poor we have been the last 2 games.

Moreover, a #9 for Wolves would actually improve them as they are creating chances but not being able to finish them.

On the other hand, we are stacked with amazing talent in the forward areas and still barely had any good football played. That clearly shows that it's not just the players, it's a lot to do with how we sre coached. Wolves ran us ragged today and we were very lucky to get the win when they had the 2 best chances of the game.

 

[RoadTrip]

I do hate cliches, but the truth is that it’s games like this we would have sulked our way to a 0-0 last year. Turning games when you’re playing dreadfully into a win is critical for any championship contender.

That’s not to say we shouldn’t be disappointed in the performance. It was awful. And it’s also true championship contenders don’t play like this all too often. We will need to find a system that works, and quickly, if we are to truly be close to the top of the table this year.

 

[Ole's screen]

You actually watched that game and thought we weren't lucky to win?

Yes I thought we rode out their pressure in the first half and we kept them out thanks to having a top keeper we way 370k a week to play for us. But in the second half post the subs and tactical changes it was only going to be one winner and that was us. Is that lucky? Or just having a good GK and striker? People act as if all games we play must be compete domination and if the other team even competes it was a disgrace.

I thought it was a fairly good game overall where we were sloppy in the first half (especially Pogba and Fred) but grew into the game and got more control in the 2nd and deservedly win the game at the end.

 

[NK86]

Quick question... That double save, wasn't that a foul on Varane?

Yeah, already pointed that out in the Varane thread. Seemed to be a clear foul by Sais.

 

[Amir]

First few games I feel it’s ok to be disjointed and ride your luck a lot. We did it too much last season throughout though which worries me.

Exactly. I always feel that really good teams first simply play good football, and then learn how to use it to win even on off days.

I kind of feel that United of the last year is quite good at getting ugly wins, but it won't be enough until it reaches the stage where it regularly plays good football.

 

[Lebowski]

Vital win.

Wolves away was always going to be ugly, and this early in the season 3 points is all that matters.

Going into the international break level on points with Liverpool and Chelsea and one ahead of city.

 

[Ole's screen]

Are you being obtuse on purpose? First, I didn't talk about Wolves but just pointed out how poor we have been the last 2 games.

Moreover, a #9 for Wolves would actually improve them as they are creating chances but not being able to finish them.

On the other hand, we are stacked with amazing talent in the forward areas and still barely had any good football played. That clearly shows that it's not just the players, it's a lot to do with how we sre coached. Wolves ran us ragged today and we were very lucky to get the win when they had the 2 best chances of the game.

The post I was replying to did mention Wolves. Also Wolves have a 9 - Jimenez - who's rated quite highly as a striker.

 

[Shimo]

Some poor performances through out the game, Wolves were excellent in the first half, Traore started in unplayabled mode, they were quick in on us and Dean let them be physical and we didn't cope well with that.

Fact that Dean had let so much shit go all game against us, the "foul" not being called back was exactly right in the context of game was called preceding it.

Not sure what Ole was thinking with starting James on the right. When you start James on the right a player who can't make a telling pass or run into trouble or control the ball and then you have AWB who can't make the simplest of passes, either out of play or to opposition. If he was going to start James, it should have been him on the left. Starting Martial though as a left forward as he subbed on would have been the better call.

The back 4 I think looked very stable, which is bizarre saying considering the chances Wolves had but, that was from real sloppy play further up the pitch.

Before game kicked, said to people I was watching the game with - DDG is going to have a tremendous season for us. Boy did he come through again after saving the 1 point last week as well.

 

[NK86]

You actually watched that game and thought we weren't lucky to win?

No point discussing it with that poster. He's got his red-tinted specs on. We were very lucky to get the win.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Greenwood, Maguire, Varane and De Gea were good. The rest were poor to extremely poor. We can't continue to perform like this.

Also, I hate Wolves.

 

[Kcocymkcus]

If Wolves had stuck their chances away and De Gea hadn't made that double-worldy save we'd have lost that 4-1.
Varane looked quality so hoping that back 4 just gets better but the midfield bothers me. Fred is mediocre at best, there's just no link up play between our defence dealing with an attack to getting it up to the forwards.
Sancho needs a few games to settle, he was crap today, but expect that will come once he gets his head around it.
Otherwise we were lucky, but I'll take the win.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Fake result, we have to improve. Still happy with 3 points and setting that new record, but it's the game that makes me very worried.

 

[OrcaFat]

They bought a player for 35m and haven't given him any consistent gametime yet. That is 100 percent a failure on whoever decided to buy him. You don't get a player and never give him a chance regardless of how he is in training. Bad scouting and a bad decision to buy him

Nah, I still think he can become a decent squad player; certainly wouldn’t expect more than that for the money we paid but hope springs eternal.

I don’t think it’s much of an argument to claim a player should be selected even if he’s not justifying it in training. But hey he’s probably not that far away from getting some minutes here and there - he has to take his chance, that’s how it’s always been.

 

[Newtonius]

That really does not look like a team that is unbeaten in 28 there is world class talent all over the pitch and they look so disjointed. Even with a DM i can't see it really changing unless the pivot goes our players completely bypass the midfield with a lack of options trying to find the attackers.

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

That’s just a bunch of what if’s. What if they had this and what if they if had that. Other way around could be what if Ronaldo was playing today? What if Cavani was fully match fit and starting ahead of Dan James? What if Rashford was fully match fit and ready to be called upon? What if we had a DM instead of Fred that can keep hold of possession and play intelligent passes from deep? End of the day, we won. That’s all that matters in the end. Don’t care how you do it, as long you win. Was it an ugly performance? Yes. Do we need to sign a midfielder before the window shuts? Yes. But did we win the game which was the main target for today? Yes.

People are two blind to see that the things wrong with performances like today and vs Southampton, and a dozen or so matches last season are not things a CDM will fix.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Where are you going to hang it? Over the mantlepiece?

Over your mantlepiece

 

[Ole's screen]

No point discussing it with that poster. He's got his red-tinted specs on. We were very lucky to get the win.

Yes because we won a hard fought game it was complete luck. Mason just randomly hit the ball in the air and it just went in on its own.

What is with this attitude about our games that if its a competitive game its a disgrace? As though we have some divine right to win all games? When did we go from celebrating hard fought wins as a fanbase to be entitled that it wasn't a 65% possession xG hammering?

 

[The Irish Connection]

That was exactly what Liverpool did the season before they won it. Defended well and had a moment of brilliance.
Neves was exactly what we lacked in midfield.
Fred doesn’t work without someone who covers similar ground to him. Pogba was so loose in his positioning.
Big win though, wolves will be tough for everyone at home.

 

[Flytan]

Nah, I still think he can become a decent squad player; certainly wouldn’t expect more than that for the money we paid but hope springs eternal.

I don’t think it’s much of an argument to claim a player should be selected even if he’s not justifying it in training. But hey he’s probably not that far away from getting some minutes here and there - he has to take his chance, that’s how it’s always been.

I just feel he's enough of an investment that even if he isn't doing well in training you still play him for a run of games at least once in two years. Ole literally played lingard over him recently. Like this feels almost personal especially since ole keeps lying to dvb about saying he will get minutes

 

[Ole's screen]

People are two blind to see that the things wrong with performances like today and vs Southampton, and a dozen or so matches last season are not things a CDM will fix.

How though? From what I saw in the game, the areas we struggled with most was handling their midfield press when our CBs passed to Fred/Pogba and backing up our forwards' press by pressing in midfield to stop easy progression up the filled from Wolves. Both of those issues would be fixed by a CDM. Tell me where I'm wrong here.