Sick of seeing freeze frame photos distorting what everyone thought at real time. Real time is what matters and the referee was looking directly at it at a better view than even any camera angle.
Was it a foul?
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Doesn't matter if he touched the ball or not, he goes with the feet up and makes contact.
Im not interested in debating much, end of the day it was a goal and just as last week Southampton benefited from a similar situation now we benefited.
Changed my vote to "yes" after I saw that Pogba did in fact catch Neves.
Is it a foul? No, if last weeks wasnt. So swings and roundabouts. We're all going to get done this year. Its the new thing to be outraged about and keep the blood going in the likes of Souness.
Slo-mo replays and stills certainly make tackles look way worse and this is a prime example, given it was only glancing contact.
There's going to be loads of debatable calls this year, given we've been conditioned for years now to see any mistimed contact as a foul.
In real time no, in slow mo you could argue yes. However, under the new rules of refs keeping the game going and not blowing for petty fouls you could also say he was right. Thing is the contact was so minor that even the ref being right on top of it couldn't see he caught him.
How is that a foul? Its a 50/50 challenge that Neves "wins". He kicks into Pogba and gets a flick on the ankle. The only reason its being discussed is because a goal is scored 20 second later, and that had feck all to do with that situation.
That bald cnut Dean was right there. So if he deemed it a FK he should have blown the whistle
That bald cnut Dean was right there. So if he deemed it a FK he should have blown the whistle
Ball took some of the impact, Pogba catches it with his heel.
If Pogba missed the ball entirely then it’s a bad foul, he didn’t though.
Based on the refereeing so far this season it’s not a foul.
End of story.
If Pogba missed the ball entirely then it’s a bad foul, he didn’t though.
Based on the refereeing so far this season it’s not a foul.
End of story.
Keano really fecking annoys me. Imagine those three dirty cnuts Souness, Keane and Ince bitching about that non foul
It is 100% a foul, not even a discussion. What’s more funny, if it’s on Pogba the poll above would swing the other way, why are people fooling themselves. But who the hell cares!? Really? It wasn’t given, it should have been given, we were lucky. Last week we weren’t lucky as the referee then was also incompetent like this one.
Neves wins the ball and it goes in one direction, Pogba doesn’t win the ball and his studs go in his leg. Not malicious or with intent, but of course a free-kick to Wolves. I have never understood the need to be vindicated after a win like this, one would almost think it’s more fun to admit it and smile about the situation/outcome/luck.
Neves wins the ball and it goes in one direction, Pogba doesn’t win the ball and his studs go in his leg. Not malicious or with intent, but of course a free-kick to Wolves. I have never understood the need to be vindicated after a win like this, one would almost think it’s more fun to admit it and smile about the situation/outcome/luck.
spot on. That being said, its understandable why objectivity typically disappears in moments like these
What is sad in football is that if Neves immediately goes down and rolls around in agony Suarez-style, the chances of VAR and a red card grows exponentially. Players crowding together and a player on the floor sadly create the environment for a card, when it’s only the situation that should be evaluated. Good on Neves, he feels the pain and doesn’t go down like a bitch like many others would.
Yes you do, of course. If the action isn’t having an effect on the play, then no foul.No you don't ffs
Replay looked like there was no contact at all.
So you are saying you can knock a player out and as long as he does not have the ball it's no foul
Can someone post video from multiple angles? Photos aren't as reliable.
If this had been the other way around, absolutely nobody would be saying it’s a foul. Souness would be telling Pogba to get up and stop complaining, nobody would even talk about it.
But as if stands, it’s the worst decision I football history and Wolves were denied a historic 5-0 win.
Having seen it all a dozen times over, of course it looked a foul. But Sourness needed several angles in slow motion to establish that. And he's going on about it being an alarmingly bad decision from the Ref?! It wasn't an obvious foul in real time. We got the rub of the green. Like we didn't last week. They say it cancels out right? Well, there's the example.
It's perfect now.
Love how the pundits were praising refs being more lenient with letting things go this season up until United benefitted from it
I genuinely thought Pogba was nowhere near Neves until I saw the still image on Twitter. So can understand why VAR didn’t intervene as even on slow mo it looked innocuous at best
The Wolves player took nearly 3 hours to react to the tackle. I think he reacted and rolled around on the pitch after the third replay of the goal.
No. Barely touched him, if at all. He didn't even flinch until he had seen the ref was right next to him, at which point he flung himself to the ground. Should have been booked for diving.
Bias drives clicks, even if they don't believe it, they'll say we got light treatment because people will view it. If you write those articles about other teams no one cares.
As someone who thought last weeks was a clear foul then, yeah, this was probably a foul as well. But no more so than the Southampton one. Neither were given, so both goals allowed to stand under the new 'less interference from VAR' policy.
Maybe both should have been ruled out instead, but at least it's a consistent interpretation. The inconsistency will be in the reaction to the incident by the media. This will be deemed a blatant foul by a lot of the sources who last week applauded the Southampton decision, and sly digs made about it going United's way, with very little reference to how last week's went against us. Though I guess there's consistency in their anti-United interpretation of decisions.
Maybe both should have been ruled out instead, but at least it's a consistent interpretation. The inconsistency will be in the reaction to the incident by the media. This will be deemed a blatant foul by a lot of the sources who last week applauded the Southampton decision, and sly digs made about it going United's way, with very little reference to how last week's went against us. Though I guess there's consistency in their anti-United interpretation of decisions.
I was listening to loads of wolves fans bang on about how it was a leg breaker and a shocking challenge. Saw the replay and not sure if it’s a foul by the way they’re reffing this season (which I prefer).
Contact isn’t a foul and they’ve been asked to see if the challenge warrants going down - the fact he ran over to the touch line once the goal was given provided it for me.
He lost control of the ball and tried to buy a cheap free kick. Christ, even Carragher on commentary said its a massive delayed reaction. If you’re not getting penalties for them this season, you shouldn’t get free kicks for them
Contact isn’t a foul and they’ve been asked to see if the challenge warrants going down - the fact he ran over to the touch line once the goal was given provided it for me.
He lost control of the ball and tried to buy a cheap free kick. Christ, even Carragher on commentary said its a massive delayed reaction. If you’re not getting penalties for them this season, you shouldn’t get free kicks for them
This has to be a WUM!
He does go down like a b*tch, but does it after taking a couple of unaffected steps and realising he's lost the ball.
I mean, any time you go into a challenge with your studs showing and make contact with your opponent's ankle, it's a foul. There is no disputing that. Then again, Bruno was decked last week, resulting in a goal and a point for Southampton.
Swings and roundabouts and all that.
Swings and roundabouts and all that.
It's clearly a foul. Got away with that one.
Was it a foul? Perhaps. Have I voted no, yes
It's funny, in real time Pogba goes past the player and his lunge angle is no where near a leg breaking challenge. Pogba lunged across him to try and get to the ball first.
contact is on his shin pad with such little force that Neves doesn't even break he kicking flow. Yes you can slow it down from a specific angle and make it look bas
Would that be given as a foul last season? Yes. (son face touch anyone). This season it seems like refs are making a point that it's a contact sport.
It's funny, in real time Pogba goes past the player and his lunge angle is no where near a leg breaking challenge. Pogba lunged across him to try and get to the ball first.
contact is on his shin pad with such little force that Neves doesn't even break he kicking flow. Yes you can slow it down from a specific angle and make it look bas
Would that be given as a foul last season? Yes. (son face touch anyone). This season it seems like refs are making a point that it's a contact sport.
Fixed your poll.
In the context of the refereeing this season I'd say it's not a foul.
I accepted that the ref and var didn't think Bruno was fouled last week.
With the open nature of the refereeing all teams are going to get some go for them and some against. I'm fine with that.
I accepted that the ref and var didn't think Bruno was fouled last week.
With the open nature of the refereeing all teams are going to get some go for them and some against. I'm fine with that.
No but the fact there's a poll and debate means a foul that far from play means it would be mad to disallow a goal for it.
This was a foul in the sense that Pogba lunged and was a bit out of control with studs up but fortunately he didn't hit Neves very hard so there no injury.
At least it was a 50/50 with the ball there to be won by both players. I thought last week the ball wasn't really there to be won when Bruno was blatantly barged over so that should have been a foul.
So like many have said, it looks to have been a foul today but we lost a goal to an error last week and gained one to an error this week.
As a side note I was a bit surprised at the number of pundits saying the one of Bruno wasn't a foul, for me it clearly was.
At least it was a 50/50 with the ball there to be won by both players. I thought last week the ball wasn't really there to be won when Bruno was blatantly barged over so that should have been a foul.
So like many have said, it looks to have been a foul today but we lost a goal to an error last week and gained one to an error this week.
As a side note I was a bit surprised at the number of pundits saying the one of Bruno wasn't a foul, for me it clearly was.
I dont think he touched him. In fact Neves took a few steps and when he knew we still had the ball, went down like he had been shot.
Neves is lucky he's not dead.
Fair enough.
The changes in leniency and var changes have made it difficult to know what is a foul and what isn't.
That kick on Bruno right on the edge of penalty box (then Bruno was down for a minute) was more of a foul.
It was a foul but not a particularly bad one or anything. Sometimes they are given, sometimes they aren't. We got away with it, it happens, no point saying anything more about it really.
Yes but it makes the win even sweeter.