Coutinho on loan May do the trick.
Liverpool 2021/2022
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Nope. Much worse.
So you disagree with my valid points and I'm a WUM. Next you will be telling me to do my own research?
I find it ridiculous Pool owners didn't give Klopp another £70-80m to properly improve their squad. Now they have zero depth and most of their key players are in late 20s / early 30s. How they'll deal with it two years from now? I think before red card Chelsea were winning it yesterday and in my opinion Pool will finish 3rd or 4th. However, they can be very, very dangerous in cup competitions.
As hard as it was to see them tearing it up for 3 seasons, it's clear they are not what they were and haven't been for a while.
I think they'll just about challenge this season as they'll hammer all the crap teams at Anfield and are solid defensively enough to grind out those 90+4 Salah (pen) 0-1 wins.
I'm hoping they will become the Kings of 0-0 away draws as the season goes on though.
I think they'll just about challenge this season as they'll hammer all the crap teams at Anfield and are solid defensively enough to grind out those 90+4 Salah (pen) 0-1 wins.
I'm hoping they will become the Kings of 0-0 away draws as the season goes on though.
Their wage bill as a proportion of revenue is high; they're living a champagne life on lemonade. They seem to be more reliant on broadcast income and less on commercial side. That is hardly surprising, I cannot remember many Liverpool players who branded like Ronnie or Becks etc. Given the lack of broadcast income over COVID they're in trouble (they borrow £140m to 2020 annual reports, 2020/21 may be much worse)
I think it's too early to write them off. They have quality players, there's no reason why Thiago can't turn it on this season and Mane play himself back into form. TAA was poor last year, so you'd expect him to return to some sort of form. Add in Konate, VVD, Matip and Gomez who they didn't really have last year, and you'd expect them to improve. I wouldn't read too much into the result yesterday, Liverpool didn't create much but it's early days.
I see, thank you.
I didn't disagree with anything, you just like to make your own conclusions based on feck all because you perceived me to disagree with you. Victim mentality, typical of Liverpool fansSo you disagree with my valid points and I'm a WUM. Next you will be telling me to do my own research?
Must admit I’m a little annoyed. Even before Shaqiri left, I thought we needed to sign a forward to take the work load off Mane and Salah. And now with him gone and no signing in sight, we are left very vulnerable to injuries, poor form and AFCON.
I'm sure if you put forward the right offer and whisper the right words, Stewart Downing will be up for going back on his retirement, and catapult up and down that Anfield wing for one last season, like the glory days under Roy and Kenny.
Agree completely.
They looked shite - seemed like Chelsea had the extra man. That defence was immense, really impressive performance. And you could hear a pin drop at Anfield!
Michael Edwards is going to leave the club at the end of the season. Has been instrumental in improving our transfer strategies.
And it's not just buying, but selling players at huge profits.
Assistant sporting director, Julian Ward is expected to be promoted to the role.
And it's not just buying, but selling players at huge profits.
Assistant sporting director, Julian Ward is expected to be promoted to the role.
Did Mane's drop in form coincide with him getting covid? He doesn't look the same physically these days. Wouldn't be surprising if he has some lingering issues.
That was almost a year ago isn't it? He looks completely different player, he tried but failed to get past the defenders, messed up so many attacks. At one point, Mane vs Salah was close, not it's not a competition at all.
As a united fan I am of course delighted at the lack of investment into that team that won the league however if I am to take my United cap off for a second it's nothing short of shocking how badly the owners neglected to capitalize on the success Klopp has built,
Jota, Thiago and Konate in last 2 seasons (potential first 11 players) is not terrible but it's far from what they only needed, ultimately I can see it being the reason Klopp leaves , clubs around him are building bigger and better teams to compete with the admittedly great team he built but it's the oldest saying in the book, don't get complacent when you win trophies, invest more into the team because your competitors surely will.
Jota, Thiago and Konate in last 2 seasons (potential first 11 players) is not terrible but it's far from what they only needed, ultimately I can see it being the reason Klopp leaves , clubs around him are building bigger and better teams to compete with the admittedly great team he built but it's the oldest saying in the book, don't get complacent when you win trophies, invest more into the team because your competitors surely will.
It's really shortsighted vision from FSG. Unfortunately, they have form for this.
Still think they will get a couple of players before the deadline.
Yeah around that time. Long COVID is a thing though so it is a possibility. Anyway, it was just an idea.
Yep they've done the same with the Red Sox. More focus on profits than productivity - typical American ownership attitude.
And in a couple of years, big Jurgen will be gone and the Gerrard manager with assistant Jamie Carragher will become the Liverpool dream team.
Going to be awesome.
Going to be awesome.
Tbf its hard to sign players who improve their first 11, especially for good price.
Alisson, TAA, Robertson, VVD, Fabinho, Salah, Mane are all very good players, The room for improvement in their 11 is smaller but the squad can be improved.
18 months ago I would agree. But Robertson, Mane, “Bobby” and the two CM positions can be upgraded.
Robertson was very good last season, for midfield Henderson will surely start as he is their captain. So yeah one position and they signed Thiago for that.
Mane has declined, at least looks like that. I gave benefit of doubt as he was very good for them. I didnt count Firmino at all, he can be easily upgraded.
I unfortunately have a mate who supports these. I asked him what his United Liverpool joint best 11 would be and wow the bias was staggering.
He would only have Bruno and Rashford from United. Even after signing Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho.
Ronaldo is past it according to him and will flop hard.
Varane has never played in the PL so won't be able to hack it.
Sancho is over rated and over priced.
I iterally can't even have a civil conversation when United are involved. I have met so many of their fans like this as well.
He would only have Bruno and Rashford from United. Even after signing Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho.
Ronaldo is past it according to him and will flop hard.
Varane has never played in the PL so won't be able to hack it.
Sancho is over rated and over priced.
I iterally can't even have a civil conversation when United are involved. I have met so many of their fans like this as well.
Robertson? Wtf. Is this some bizarre bid to strengthen the claim that Shaw is the best lb in the league?
I bet he still claims Klopp punches above his weight and thinks Ole should be expected to win the league with that squad …
We really need a forward who can usher in a change of the guard up front.
Should be bidding for someone like rafinha.
Alisson
Trent Van Dijk Maguire Shaw
Fabinho Bruno Pogba
Salah Ronaldo Mane
Jota is doing well for you isn't it. Also not sure which player you can sign who can challenge players like Mane.
Robertson is really not as good as he used to be (and Shaw is definitely better). Not sure whether he would necessarily be a first area of improvement though.
Yeah that was mine, however last season Mane wasn't that great but overall he has to be there.
Up until December, he was playing the best football of his career and so very easily the best left back in the world.
When the whole team collapsed, he went down to being merely solid defensively and decent going forwards.
It's a bit premature to pronounce his demise.
Jota is a really good squad player, but I don't think he has the allround game to be a really good starter for us.
I reckon someone like rafinha could be the next Mane. And certainly challenge the current version of Mane.
Which Rafinha, the one at PSG? Isn't he very injury prone.
The Leeds one.
Raphinha. Yeah he would be good addition for any top team, at least improves the squad.
This window only makes sense, imo, if the idea is to move on one or both of Firmino and Mane next season. There's less sense in spending the £30-40million it would cost for a rotation option now, if you're going to need to spend to fill first team spots there next year. I imagine the thinking is give the pair another season to see if this is really the start of a terminal decline (looks that way somewhat with Firmino) and if it is you've got the money you've saved this year towards a better class of replacement next year.
You get Mane and Firmino wages off the books too, and, if there's no more flare-up of COVID, a bit more of a robust market for selling either of them next year.
You get Mane and Firmino wages off the books too, and, if there's no more flare-up of COVID, a bit more of a robust market for selling either of them next year.
We have a special team that only needs one or two players to deliver something special. With a world class manager.
FSG are wasting what should be our best years with a mentality that says "we'll meet our minimum targets with what we have in place."
It's arsenal and Wenger all over.