Jesus calm down,he's not that bad.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Grow up.
Genuinely would like to know what it is he's missing?I'm not his biggest fan but i find it ammusing how certain players get written off before we've even seen them try something new.
Pogba is supposed to be a CM but it looks like he's a lot better(for United) playing wide on the left.
I've never seen Lindelof play as a DM,have you?
He has said he will hand out infractions for people saying that Lingard is stealing a living and has said himself that James needs to get away from our toxic fan base. Conveniently forgetting that he has constantly been toxic and derailing this thread since it was created.
Why do people want us to play with a back 3 just for Lindelof’s sake? Strange behaviour 
He’ll get games, so his fan club needs to relax
He’ll get games, so his fan club needs to relax
Fanboy comments are really classless.Why do people want us to play with a back 3 just for Lindelof’s sake? Strange behaviour
He’ll get games, so his fan club needs to relax
Good thing I said fan club then.
Explain to me what was wrong with that post, it’s genuinely meant?
First of all, I don’t understand what’s wrong with that post, it’s genuine.
Secondly jog on
You’re talking to Lindelofs biggest supporter on the boards so if he says he’s missing something to play there I’d take it at face value.
Btw saying a professional footballer is stealing a living just because you don’t like him, or think that we will get a shiny new midfielder is about as low as you can go. Those people deserve to be infracted
They don't mean that he is literally stealing. With how toxic you are in this thread, can you be surprised that other posters are toxic against our other players?I’ve been here long enough to know that some actually think that way
explain to me how im toxic in this thread? Apart from once when I called him a fanny and stopped after and stuck to criticising his weak points and his performances. I stand by my view that I’ve had since day 1, he is not good enough for a first team regular in this league. As a squad player fine but not as a regular. I am glad that we have upgraded that position now and that he had to really step up his game, which is what I said in my other post that you took offence to for some reason
What qualities does he have that makes people think he's suitable to be played in DM?
He doesn't chase down players to stop them from dribbling or stop them from picking their passes. Doesn't block off passing route and he defaults to making a pass back to Maguire / De Gea when there's an opposing player within 5m of him.
He's a decent backup at CB at best. We're better off playing Matic than Lindelof at DM.
I'm not surprised that posters are responding this way tbh. By your own omission you've labelled him as a 'fanny', while just from memory I recall a post from you ridiculing the Swedish national team for announcing him as captain, a Manchester United player.
You're in the Phil Jones thread at the necks of anyone that dares question his commitment to the club, while Lindelof who's openly admitted playing through serious back pain has given his all on the pitch for the last 3 years. Doesn't add up.
Here’s the difference since you don’t seem to see it;
Jones has had people this summer saying he’s stealing a living, he should just be given away for free, he should have his contract cancelled for not fulfilling it (playing) etc. Yet, as Ole himself has had to go out of his way to say, the guy is coming off an 18 month injury and has played 30 MINUTES as he tries to get back to fitness.
now, Lindelof I know has a sore back, but he’s practically players every minute and also international football so I think he’s open to criticism for his performances.
I’ve been very consistent with what I’ve said, he struggles with timing his headers, he physically loses 1 on 1 battles, he shies away from making decisions, he passes sideways when pressed sometimes putting his colleagues under pressure, has a habit of back peddling when he should be making a challenge. These are genuine concerns about a PL centre back. You might get away with those things in a country like Spain but not England. This is not me making these things up, other posters have seen the same, they happen often enough. As you said he’s given his all, so this is why he’s been upgraded. His all hasn’t been enough and I mean this genuinely but better players have been upgraded.
as for international football, my concerns are still the same, and I am surprised that he was named captain. But that’s their problem not United which is all that I care a about ultimately
I think you're missing my point, as I'm not arguing in favour of being able slate Jones while he's out injured. Again, by your own admission you're in this thread labelling Lindelof as a 'fanny', as well as makining snarky remarks about his selection as national team captain as I said.
That's not performance based criticism, that's just being a bit of a you know what. No different from what you're accusing people of in Jones' thread.
As I said myself I called him a fanny once, tongue in cheek which I was rightly called out for at the time. I haven’t done so since. So for me that’s water under the bridge, as I have stuck to for United criticising his faults and performances. Just as many people say “Fred can’t pass he’s not good enough” I say similar about Lindelof just for different skill sets.
I am surprised at Sweden’s decision because when I’ve watched Sweden Lindelof always had to have at least 1 big stopped beside him who’s job was to head the ball clear as much as possible. Many of them have now retired so I’m surprised to see Lindelof given the captaincy. That’s all.
Calling him a fanny, asking wtf is wrong with Sweden when he was made captain and more or less your first comment after a good performance and a Utd win is that he's increasing he's resale value (from the top of my head). I mean, I'm not that sensitive that I actually give a shit about your comments, but running around as a white knight for James, Jones and Lingard calling people toxic is "a little" hypocritical. Is it really that hard for you to understand that a forum staff member being toxic towards our players make other posters believe it's ok to do it?
Read my previous posts just before this one, I’m not typing all that again.
btw the resale value comment was between me and @Vidyoyo who have a bit of friendly banter going about the player. Nothing major
Yeah I got it. It's tongue in cheek when you do it but when other posters do it you take it literally. So, hypocritical.
I’m not going to explain it over over again to you
Well, Lindelof is actually always great in the national team. Even in periods he was at a bad place in United, he always comes to the national breaks pretty much as a world class defender. So him being great in the national team, does not automatically mean he will be great in United. (Even though he has started this season good in United as well).
Nothing here is anything close to the Jones thread. The fact that you even bring that up sounds more like you're annoyed that we're no longer allowed to abuse Jones freely.
I don't abuse our players. And it was not me who brought Jones up in the first place. Nice try though!
Even comparing the Jones thread to the'toxicity' here, ie discussing his resale value and calling him a fanny (probably because of that photo) , is laughable. Jones was openly being called a cnut, twat, and all sorts. Is it just because Lindelof is playing well, that he is subjected to a different set of standards to you?
Are you saying that we should call Lindelof a cnut and twat as well on top of calling him a fanny?
I'm saying that you should try to be more objective when posting.
My point is obviously that none of our players should be abused. You tried a strawman and failed miserably. Jog on.
Not sure how wanting him sold despite good performances constitutes to abuse but you keep on white knighting for the players you like.
Come on now, let's be fair with our arguments.
"He doesn't chase down players to stop them from dribbling or stop them from picking their passes."
I don't really get how you're thinking here. No, he is of course not doing DM stuff when playing as a CB. That'd be horrible? CBs are NOT supposed to run around the pitch chasing players, that's even a bad tactic in FIFA/PES, so I can't really explain your thinking that way either. What you're suggesting he should do as a CB is just bad, ok? He's doing CB stuff and he's doing them well. Just because a player doesn't do a certain thing on the pitch it doesn't mean he can't pull it off, you know. You have a _role_ to fulfill, you're not supposed to do all kinda stuff just to impress some lame ass whiner on redcafe.net. If Ole put him on the pitch as a DM he would naturally be told to do all those things you listed, and more. Then you could criticise him for not doing DM stuff on the pitch. Until then...please don't.
Doesn't block off passing route and he defaults to making a pass back to Maguire / De Gea when there's an opposing player within 5m of him.
Huh? For one thing, that is not even remotely true. He often plays long passes straight to our forwards, cutting through the entire opposition midfield. More so and with better pace and accuracy than any of our defenders I dare say. I mean, he does that a lot, which is why your comment is so weird. Sure, criticise Lindelöf, but perhaps you shouldn't pick one of his best and most clear abilities on the pitch? Check your sources man, don't bullshit players with lies and slander.
And doesn't block off passing routes? What is he supposed to do, take a big step up the pitch to block a pass to a winger, giving the attacker a highway toward goal, forcing Maguire do panic and run to block instead and leaving a hole where he was supposed to be as a result? Yeah, sounds like a great way to concede 10 goals each game. Have you ever played football? As a CB? What you're suggesting Lindelöf should do is like....kid level error stuff.
Second, it's not necessarily bad to play safe passes as the last line in defense, one mistake is one conceded goal and would mean 10 years of people crying about it on here saying how careless he is. Also, please watch some games other than United's. You'll quickly find that all CBs in the entire world does that pretty often, for good reason. Safety is priority one as a CB, the part where he also plays those long passes I mentioned earlier is just a great bonus and why he plays in a club like ours'.
I'm pretty sure I've read that he played a lot of DM as a youth player, possibly in Benfica too. It has to do with his good feet and good passing abilities. However, since he's also extremely good at modern CB stuff, like his positioning (better than Maguire, no question), great passing, great functional technique and great at reading the game, someone obviously realised that his "DM" traits coupled with his defensive CB traits would make him a very good and very modern CB. And I guess that someone was right, because he ended up in goddamn Manchester United, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer loves him, he's played a lot the last 2 seasons and we haven't lost many games with him on the pitch.
I mean, let's be fair here, we lost 6 games last season. As many as City. Lindelöf played in most of them. If he's so utterly, amazingly horrible as many on here make the case he is, it's really, really, really weird that United was as solid as City defensively last seaon. Especially as our biggest problem seem to be we have feck all of a DM and a weak, unbalanced midfield. Really, really strange that we ended up second in the league with a horrible starting CB and a horribly bad midfield completely unable to protect our back four. Mindboggling stuff.
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So we don't know he's a good DM, because he has never played there?
Well feck me, let's try VDB at CB and Maguire as a winger.
Lindelof's ability on the ball is limited, especially while being pressed. His best attribute is his positioning, but he shies away from one on ones. How does this describe a United quality DM? He'd be McTominay without the energy or grit, with a slightly better positional sense when defending in our own box.
He's a fine CB, that's not good enough to be a starter for a top 4 PL team. Be content he'll always be available from the bench and not get injured getting out of his car.
@dronesoul So your entire basis of him being able to play in DM is because he's played there at youth level, despite not showing the qualities needed at the top level?
Might as well stick AWB up at right wing since he played there in his youth as well. fecking stupid how people keep assuming players can just show up and play another position. If he was any good at it, he would have sticked to playing that position when breaking through.
Might as well stick AWB up at right wing since he played there in his youth as well. fecking stupid how people keep assuming players can just show up and play another position. If he was any good at it, he would have sticked to playing that position when breaking through.
I think both sides have made a few good points for and against us trying him in the DM role. I wouldn‘t mind seeing him in that role once.
However, I think the biggest problem would be the way he will need to adapt from always having the game in front of him as a CB, to be surrounded by the game as a DM. It‘s a massive step that I think would be the biggest of all mentioned challenges.
Obviously, he will never be good enough to fill that role permanently in the way we need him to. But maybe, just maybe he could be a short-term stopgap.
However, I think the biggest problem would be the way he will need to adapt from always having the game in front of him as a CB, to be surrounded by the game as a DM. It‘s a massive step that I think would be the biggest of all mentioned challenges.
Obviously, he will never be good enough to fill that role permanently in the way we need him to. But maybe, just maybe he could be a short-term stopgap.
No, that's not what I said at all. I was just replying to the stuff you said Lindelöf "doesn't do" as a CB. Then I added that he played as a DM at youth level. Never in my comment did I suggest that I'm certain that Lindelöf would be a great DM?
What I did write however, is that it's pretty damn hard to for someone playing as a CB to show DM qualities as their roles and responsibilities are completely different. Can't you read?
This is the last comment I can write today. So I'll use it to give you this great suggestion. Read my longer comment again. This time read it slowly, really taking it in , and not just focusing what you should reply to what you think I wrote, but instead to what I wrote. That's a great way to discuss things, and you won't just throw around tiresome straw man arguments about what people on here _haven't said_. Try it out.
Got it, so he's magically going to transform his game to become the total opposite of how he has played throughout his professional career just because people on here thinks he can play DM.
The mental gymnastics people go on here to try and fit Lindelof into our starting lineup is ridiculous.
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