Louis Van Gaal appointed Dutch manager for the third time.

[MUFC OK]

Give us some great memories. Shame non of them was for footballing merit, but still - great character. Should never have been sacked for Jose.

Pros: Delivered our only FA Cup success in the last 17 years, promoted Rashford, Phil Jones corners, memes.

Cons: Played awful football, sold players for nothing who still had something to give, bemoaned not having a certain calibre of winger, then signed the exact player he cited, dropped him to the bench favouring Ashley Young, and subsequently sold him, signed a ton of deadwood.

 

[Cloud7]

Translated from a recent Dutch LVG interview. Read it in his voice for a laugh:


He's updated the philosophy.

@Cloud7 You from Trinidad?

For some reason I didn't get a notification for this post, but yes I am

 

[Foxbatt]

Excellent choices but no up and coming or big name manager would like to take over a national team, most of the NT coaches are has beens and washed up from club football, baring some exceptions of course.

Flick may be a good choice for Germany but first it depends on the current generation of players talent wise and second how he's man managing them and keeping the right balance in the dressing room. When Otto Rehagel came to Greece one of the first things he did was cutting off Georgatos who was maybe the best left back Greece ever saw (playing in Inter with Ronaldo, Zamorano, Vieri and so), or maybe the most talented Greek player of our golden generation, but he was a pain in the ass for the rest of the team.

Isn't it what happened to the Bulgarian player Arsov? He got dropped because though he was good he was a pain in the Arsov for others.

 

[Karlos PFC]

Isn't it what happened to the Bulgarian player Arsov? He got dropped because though he was good he was a pain in the Arsov for others.

Don't know who Arsov is but great pun.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Don't have anything against old Aloysius - hope he does very well for 'em.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

I genuinely don't remember Van Gaal at United. I saw old photos the other day and didn't recognise them. I must have just wiped that time from my memory.

It's ok, Pete. The football put you to sleep, that's why you don't remember.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

It's ok, Pete. The football put you to sleep, that's why you don't remember.

I have very few particular memories from the LVG era myself (in terms of actual in-game moments) - it's all a bit of a blur. I remember that tiny string of games towards the end of his first season where we didn't look insanely boring.

And Juanfield.

 

[Amir]

Cons: Played awful football, sold players for nothing who still had something to give, bemoaned not having a certain calibre of winger, then signed the exact player he cited, dropped him to the bench favouring Ashley Young, and subsequently sold him, signed a ton of deadwood.

Otherwise OK?

 

[MUFC OK]

Otherwise OK?

Otherwise Philosophy.

 

[VorZakone]

I'm surprised Van Gaal agreed.

 

[Wolf1992]

I'd have went for Conte, but the Dutch are too patriotic to even consider a foreign manager.

Big national teams hiring foreign coaches screams massive failure for me.

That thing mostly works with small/medium teams like Greece,Japan,South Korea,Nigeria,etc

I can't see the likes of Germany,France,Italy,Spain,Netherlands,Brazil, Argentina,or England doing well with a foreign manager.

 

[Kaos]

I really liked van Gaal, such a shame his football bored us to tears. I remember being giddy when we signed him, expecting total football ala Cryuff, but what we got was Phil Jones on corners, Fellaini elbows and 90 minutes of sideways passing with two shots on goal most games. His pressers were entertaining at least.

 

[Wolf1992]

Ok then LVG is second best international coach then, which tells you a lot about international coaching.

LVG is a great coach, his entire career speaks for him, maybe he is just washed up now.

And BTW you don't need great managers in International Football to win things or do well...

For big teams it's all about going far in tournaments, no one would give a crap how offensive /beautiful France plays under Zidane if they get knocked out in group stage.

 

[RDCR07]

This idiot is going to find someway to talk about us again. He can’t stop talking about United. fecking butt hurt we sacked him.

 

[VanDeBank]

Sneijder on TV last night:

No, I don't think Van Gaal is a logical choice. It's not a long term decision. Why do you always look for a Dutchman? There's plenty of good managers if you just look further. Many of them are abroad. Absolutely there would have been a foreign top manager available to manage the Dutch NT. I know Conte would have loved to do it. He doesn't do it for the money, it's about prestige. You at least have to feel him out.

 

[R'hllor]

This idiot is going to find someway to talk about us again. He can’t stop talking about United. fecking butt hurt we sacked him.

Nope, he is butt hurt due the way how we sacked him.

 

[Bebestation]

I really liked van Gaal, such a shame his football bored us to tears. I remember being giddy when we signed him, expecting total football ala Cryuff, but what we got was Phil Jones on corners, Fellaini elbows and 90 minutes of sideways passing with two shots on goal most games. His pressers were entertaining at least.

I learnt the most tactical football as a fan when he was our manager. I found it really fun and intelligent.

However, i also felt that it was a shame we didn't have a DOF who could target the better players to fit those tactics and he ultimately bought and sold the wrong players playing over tactically and slow.

 

[Ixion]

I liked Van Gaal and still do, just a shame about the style of football. Good luck to him.

 

[Sandikan]

Thought he said he was going to retire years back!

 

[sillwuka]

Horny football

 

[VanDeBank]

I learnt the most tactical football as a fan when he was our manager. I found it really fun and intelligent.

However, i also felt that it was a shame we didn't have a DOF who could target the better players to fit those tactics and he ultimately bought and sold the wrong players playing over tactically and slow.

I never shared the style of play criticism. If you buy 1 talented player (Shaw), 2 decent ones (Blind and Herrera) and 7 shite ones with an existing aging squad that desperately needs refreshing, odds are, you're gonna get boring football to maximize results.

Yes, it was boring, but I blamed him for the signings more than anything.

 

[lsd]

I never shared the style of play criticism. If you buy 1 talented player (Shaw), 2 decent ones (Blind and Herrera) and 7 shite ones with an existing aging squad that desperately needs refreshing, odds are, you're gonna get boring football to maximize results.

Yes, it was boring, but I blamed him for the signings more than anything.

The football was worse than anything I ever witnessed from a united team. As bad as Jose was even his most negative style of football was better than Van Gaals.

I give up watching us under Van Gaal and never ever thought that would happen. It wasn't even results we could have won every game and it still wouldn't have have convinced meet to watch it.

It was absolutely complete garbage football

 

[VanDeBank]

The football was worse than anything I ever witnessed from a united team. As bad as Jose was even his most negative style of football was better than Van Gaals.

I give up watching us under Van Gaal and never ever thought that would happen. It wasn't even results we could have won every game and it still wouldn't have have convinced meet to watch it.

It was absolutely complete garbage football

I'm not denying it was dull, I'm just saying we had the worst squad in recent memory, to the point where one fourth place finish and one FA cup were good results.

The shiteness of the squad was of course mostly his fault. Mourinho had a better squad (thanks largely to his superior signings)

When looking at all the teams they've managed over the years, both Mourinho and LVG are quite negative in their approach.

 

[Ace]

LvG is truly a relic of a former time. His unwillingness to adapt and evolve his approach to his football makes his sides both boring and predictable.

He’s also never been known for his personality or relationships with his players. Like an old school teacher who struggles to relate and connect with a new generation.

 

[Wolf1992]

Sneijder on TV last night:

Then he should answer why is France always looking for a french manager, why is Germany always looking for a german manager, why is Italy always looking for an italian manager...

 

[Cheimoon]

Then he should answer why is France always looking for a french manager, why is Germany always looking for a german manager, why is Italy always looking for an italian manager...

He's just talking for himself, no need for him to explain why others make a choice he doesn't consider necessary.

 

[VanDeBank]

Then he should answer why is France always looking for a french manager, why is Germany always looking for a german manager, why is Italy always looking for an italian manager...

Those nations are so much bigger than Holland. Countries like England and Belgium have had foreign managers in recent history and it's not unprecedent for Holland either (Happel @ 1978 WC) He's not wrong in saying LVG is a stop gap, while Conte at 52 is potentially a long term solution.

I know Sneijder has worked with Conte but it's not far fetched to talk to one of the best managers available, regardless of nationality, especially when you consider this group of players is suited to 5-3-2 (good CBs, poor wingers, Dumfries) and De Vrij, who just had a phenomenal season under Conte at Inter is a key player in that system. Conte plays 5-3-2 exclusively and LVG seems to prefer it too.

 

[RDCR07]

Nope, he is butt hurt due the way how we sacked him.

Don’t care why he is butt hurt. Just want him to stop moaning and move on.

 

[Zoo]

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[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Of all the managers, I think I'd love to go drinking with him the most.

 

[VanDeBank]

Is this video visible to everyone?
The cnut is literally applauding one of the greatest Dutch CBs of all time for answering a question.
He thinks he's hot shit for beating Montenegro and drawing Norway. We sold our soul to the devil by appointing him.

 

[Cheimoon]

Is this video visible to everyone?
The cnut is literally applauding one of the greatest Dutch CBs of all time for answering a question.
He thinks he's hot shit for beating Montenegro and drawing Norway. We sold our soul to the devil by appointing him.

That video is from before the Montenegro match - or at least, I saw it referenced in an earlier article. It was all about showing how Van Gaal had shed a lot of his former bitterness and is now just having fun with the media (in his own way) and even (surprisingly for him) with his own image, and this was an example.

Looks weirder in the video than how it was described in the article though.

 

[VanDeBank]

That video is from before the Montenegro match - or at least, I saw it referenced in an earlier article. It was all about showing how Van Gaal had shed a lot of his former bitterness and is now just having fun with the media (in his own way) and even (surprisingly for him) with his own image, and this was an example.

Looks weirder in the video than how it was described in the article though.

Just rubs me the wrong way that one of the greatest Dutch defenders of all time gets applauded like a toddler for answering a basic question.

Now that we're on the topic. How is Blind the 3rd captain ahead of De Vrij (or Memphis)?
The man hasn't played a good game at LB in 3 years and shouldn't be starting at LCB.

 

[Cheimoon]

Just rubs me the wrong way that one of the greatest Dutch defenders of all time gets applauded like a toddler for answering a basic question.

Now that we're on the topic. How is Blind the 3rd captain ahead of De Vrij (or Memphis)?
The man hasn't played a good game at LB in 3 years and shouldn't be starting at LCB.

The applause is for the specific content of the answer, of course. It doesn't fit the general narrative about Van Gaal of the past, so Van Gaal is finding it hilarious.

Since when is De Vrij one of the best Dutch defenders ever though?

Guess Blind has a better presence in the team. Captains 1 and 2 are Van Dijk and Wijnaldum I suppose?

 

[VanDeBank]

The applause is for the specific content of the answer, of course. It doesn't fit the general narrative about Van Gaal of the past, so Van Gaal is finding it hilarious.

Since when is De Vrij one of the best Dutch defenders ever though?

Guess Blind has a better presence in the team. Captains 1 and 2 are Van Dijk and Wijnaldum I suppose?

Yes.

Historically, our top CBs weren't exactly known for their defending. Frank the Farmer, Ronald Cowman, Blind Sr. There's Stam and that's about it.
Pretty hard to not put De Vrij up there as one of the best defenders ever. Van Dijk and De Vrij are pretty special to be in the same generation.

 

[Dan_F]

Just rubs me the wrong way that one of the greatest Dutch defenders of all time gets applauded like a toddler for answering a basic question.

Now that we're on the topic. How is Blind the 3rd captain ahead of De Vrij (or Memphis)?
The man hasn't played a good game at LB in 3 years and shouldn't be starting at LCB.

You think Memphis is a better vice captain choice than Blind?

 

[VanDeBank]

You think Memphis is a better vice captain choice than Blind?

You think he isn't because he does mildly entertaining shite rap on the side?

He's our most important attacking player and has captained both Holland and Lyon in the past.
I can't remember the last time Blind put in a good performance at LB, which is the only position he can start with captain Van Dyke back.

 

[Dan_F]

You think he isn't because he does mildly entertaining shite rap on the side?

He's our most important attacking player and has captained both Holland and Lyon in the past.
I can't remember the last time Blind put in a good performance at LB, which is the only position he can start with captain Van Dyke back.

No, I have no particular thoughts about what Depay does off the pitch, despite being being a massive hip hop fan myself.

We’re talking about the third captain. It’s barely a talking point is it? Being a leader isn’t about being the best player, let alone when you get down to vice or third captain. They don’t even need to play all the time, it’s more about their impact on the squad. See Ashley Young at United

 

[Cheimoon]

Yes.

Historically, our top CBs weren't exactly known for their defending. Frank the Farmer, Ronald Cowman, Blind Sr. There's Stam and that's about it.
Pretty hard to not put De Vrij up there as one of the best defenders ever. Van Dijk and De Vrij are pretty special to be in the same generation.

Ah ok, so you mean not just any defender, but Dutch centre backs that were good at the defensive side of the position. That's pretty specific, but sure. Although you missed Rijkaard and pre-80s players in your list. Anyway, you're right, with De Ligt as well, the Netherlands are unusually stocked in CB right now.

Also, I agree with @Dan_F re. captaincy. But I have no idea about the role either Blind or Memphis play in the squad in terms of leadership or anything like that.

 

[::sonny::]

They have just a terrible squad