How do Real Madrid rebuild?

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So Mbappe for 80m. Still cheap compared to 200m transfer fee but I am sure he will demand higher salary. Wonder, what is Pogba going to demand.
 

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Modric, Kroos, Sergio Ramos, Marcelo and Benzema - the only spine of the team - are on their way out. They look like a mid table team without those 5 in the team.

Modric and Kroos as a pivot two have been world class for 4 years and elevate the team to a whole new level of stability and creativity. Without Ronaldo they have been hanging on by a thread because of the 5 mentioned.

What’s in the pipeline for them? They have no star players, no up and coming spine to the team.

With a financially barren football world, I can’t see Real going on a Galactico steroid injection any time soon.

What happens next?
Most likely get Mbappe, Pogba on a Free next summer, and sell on some players and add Haaland and a couple of others also.
 

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Telling ye they won’t sign Pogba on 4/500k a week. They’ll go for younger players and let the old guys contracts run down and instead of letting that play out and competing with them for the younger lads us and PSG will probably take their ageing stars on short but massive deals.
How much are they paying 29 years old David Alaba?
 

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How much are they paying 29 years old David Alaba?

We are supposedly paying Varane 340 per week plus a 50 ish million fee.

They are supposedly playing Alaba 380 a week and no fee.

As I said I really don’t think they will go after Pogba for 500k a week unless they make a crazy sale but even then I think if they had wanted him at any stage over the last 5 years he’d have gone like a shot. The offer never came. It’ll most likely be between us and PSG for his next contract. Camavinga on the cheap was probably pretty good business for them too. Only time will tell.
 

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Not exactly free but cheaper than transfer fee ofcourse.
We are supposedly paying Varane 340 per week plus a 50 ish million fee.

They are supposedly playing Alaba 380 a week and no fee.

As I said I really don’t think they will go after Pogba for 500k a week unless they make a crazy sale but even then I think if they had wanted him at any stage over the last 5 years he’d have gone like a shot. The offer never came. It’ll most likely be between us and PSG for his next contract. Camavinga on the cheap was probably pretty good business for them too. Only time will tell.
Think they will get a few top earners off the list next summer so they can afford to pay Mbappe, Pogba, etc. No big transfer fee will also help.
 

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Don't Raiola and Pep have beef?
Yeah, but I don't expect that to be an obstacle. Both men would swallow their pride if they thought it was the best option, like Pep did with Touré.

I think the obstacle is that Raiola reportedly wants huge wages, agent fees, sign-on bonuses, potentially even wants Haaland's dad to get a cut. City's board don't really do stuff like that, but Real Madrid don't seem to have much of a problem with it. I wouldn't expect City to get Haaland either way.
 

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Pogba, Mbappe and Haaland for a combined €65m.
Mbappé + Haaland would be a VERY bad idea, I'm pretty sure it could be a deal breaker for Mbappé if Real goes after both. None of them will play the Benzema role, they both have big egos, doing that would be a big mistake from Real.
 

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Mbappé + Haaland would be a VERY bad idea, I'm pretty sure it could be a deal breaker for Mbappé if Real goes after both. None of them will play the Benzema role, they both have big egos, doing that would be a big mistake from Real.
Think Real have always had players with big ego's and it didn't stop them from bringing in others every year.
 

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Mbappé + Haaland would be a VERY bad idea, I'm pretty sure it could be a deal breaker for Mbappé if Real goes after both. None of them will play the Benzema role, they both have big egos, doing that would be a big mistake from Real.
Mbappe wants to carry on playing off the left and haaland down the middle so there is no problem postionally. I think haaland, mbappe and pogba will all be at Madrid next summer. Benzema is getting old, at Madrid everyone is expendable.
 

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Mbappé + Haaland would be a VERY bad idea, I'm pretty sure it could be a deal breaker for Mbappé if Real goes after both. None of them will play the Benzema role, they both have big egos, doing that would be a big mistake from Real.
Neh surely not? If anything Madrid turning around and saying we’re bringing in Haaland too is more appealing. They’d become some side if they got those two.
 

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Mbappe wants to carry on playing off the left and haaland down the middle so there is no problem postionally. I think haaland, mbappe and pogba will all be at Madrid next summer. Benzema is getting old, at Madrid everyone is expendable.
No he doesn't, he wants to play as a striker. We've known that for years at PSG, which is a problem because he's not that great a striker at the moment since he doesn't have the full set of skills unless we're playing counter attacks/transition.
 

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No he doesn't, he wants to play as a striker. We've known that for years at PSG, which is a problem because he's not that great a striker at the moment since he doesn't have the full set of skills unless we're playing counter attacks/transition.
Read his recent interviews, he has said he wants to continue off the left so he can utilise his pace.
 

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See above. They’ll bring in Mbappe and Pogba on a ‘free’ and have a good run at Haaland.

Madrid will always bring in top players.
 

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They'll be fine. Mbappe, Pogba and Goretzka for free. Possible spunk money on Haaland too and as they always seem to do, find some cheap but very decent players from the Brazilian league (like casemiro, Marcelo, Vinicus).
 

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Vinicius Mbappe ?
Pogba Casemiro Camavinga
Mendy Alaba Militao Carvajal
Courtois

Oh, poor souls. What are they gonna do!? :lol:

Mbappe + Pogba on a free. Buy a right winger, add some sort of fullback squad player.
 

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If Ancelotti does a good job, we have enough to win the league plus a deep CL run with a good draw(have to dodge the runner-up of City-PSG group in R16). If not, it will be another poor season and Florentino will throw the kitchen sink at Mbappé and Haaland next summer
So the rebuild is next season then.

200m for Mbappe is crazy money, glad PSG refused.
 

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So the rebuild is next season then.

200m for Mbappe is crazy money, glad PSG refused.
Why are you glad about that? PSG rejection means that they are most likely going to get Haaland next year as well in addition to Mbappe and quite likely Pogba.
 

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Pogba and Mbappe on free transfers is a good start. They’ll undoubtedly be in for Haaland as well.
 

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Yeah, but I don't expect that to be an obstacle. Both men would swallow their pride if they thought it was the best option, like Pep did with Touré.

I think the obstacle is that Raiola reportedly wants huge wages, agent fees, sign-on bonuses, potentially even wants Haaland's dad to get a cut. City's board don't really do stuff like that, but Real Madrid don't seem to have much of a problem with it. I wouldn't expect City to get Haaland either way.
Seriously? Didn't ye pretty much buy Girona for Pep's brother to get Pep to sign?

Also it's fairly common knowledge that the reported salaries of your top players is a fraction of what they truly earn under the table.
 

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I thought they started their rebuild a couple of seasons ago when they have since signed Jovic, Militao, Vinicius, Courtois, Odriozola, Hazard, Mendy, Rodrigo, Reinier, Ceballos, Hernandez.

All these combined have cost them over €500m in the last 4 years.
 
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Read his recent interviews, he has said he wants to continue off the left so he can utilise his pace.
I don't remember reading such thing (i might have missed it, if so it would be nice to give me a source).

Neh surely not? If anything Madrid turning around and saying we’re bringing in Haaland too is more appealing. They’d become some side if they got those two.
I don't think that's the way Mbappé thinks. He wants to be the tip of the spear (and also thinks a little too much he can build plays, which he cannot unless he has space). In 2019 when he was only 20, he came out publicly at an award ceremony to say that it might be time for him to seek more responsabilities in another club if PSG doesn't want to give that to him, and that's with Neymar being very selfless beside him and giving him a lot of great assists.

Mbappé sees himself as a future Ronaldo for Real Madrid and sharing the goals with another striker is not part of the picture. It's pretty obvious, considering his body language on the pitch (yelling or pouting when he doesn't get the pass every time he's vaguely in position), that he won't stand sharing the top attacking spot with another huge young talent that could steal his spotlight. Mbappé and Haaland both have huge egos and are alpha goalscorer, my opinion is that Real can't rebuild on those foundations. If they want to get Mbappé, they should keep Benzema with him for 2 years or so and try to find a similar alternative when Benzema retires.
 

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I don't believe much in rebuilding, it sometimes seems like an excuse for not meeting the goals of the season, and I think it's something progressive.
In any case, I think the priority is a new Kroos, the strategic signing as Xabi Alonso was in his day.
I don't want to get my hopes up about Mbappe until I see the comunicado oficial.
In my mind Mbappe has to be a mix between Ronaldo and Cristiano, but I also like Haaland, and I think they should play together(with Vini).
I think Raiola is interested in entering the Real Madrid dressing room and I think that perhaps his commissions could be reasonable, although we will see if the Haaland issue does not cool down between now and June 2022.
Every two years the "this generation of Castilla is the best in 20 years" is repeated. I don't know if that's the case but I think Arribas and Miguel Gutiérrez look like cracks. Pablo Ramón can be a good center-back and Marvin a good right back.
I like Koundé but I would not spend more than 50 in a central
I'm not sure about Pogba. Price, wish of the fans/club, but they only need a new soap opera in the Chiringuito to get people on Pogba's boat.
 

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IF, big IF, Camavinga and Valverde develop as we hope this season, i think we might consider selling Casemiro to PSG next summer, if a massive money offer comes

Pogba we should only go for if the intention is to play him as an attacking midfielder. We're still gonna need to replace Kroos, hopefully not for another 2 seasons

Don't think we can have Mbappé, Haaland and Vinicius. If we get both the first two, Vini should be sold
 

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I thought they started their rebuild a couple of seasons ago when they have since signed Jovic, Militao, Vinicius, Courtois, Odriozola, Hazard, Militao, Mendy, Rodrigo, Reinier, Ceballos, Hernandez.

All these combined have cost them over €500m in the last 4 years.
They also signed Militao.
 

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IF, big IF, Camavinga and Valverde develop as we hope this season, i think we might consider selling Casemiro to PSG next summer, if a massive money offer comes

Pogba we should only go for if the intention is to play him as an attacking midfielder. We're still gonna need to replace Kroos, hopefully not for another 2 seasons

Don't think we can have Mbappé, Haaland and Vinicius. If we get both the first two, Vini should be sold
I think we have seen 60% of what Valverde can offer, although I admit that Vini, Fede and Asensio are my short list of proteges.
I think that when Modric is not there, when he has the weight, we will be able to see if he is a "pajarito" or he can become an eagle.
For me, selling Vini would be a bit like selling the soul. He exudes Madridismo, seems like a great guy and brings a lot of fun on the field (and more often for his good game and not for blunders) .
Either Hazard changes a lot or his fight with Vini is totally lost.
This year the one who must finally find his place and exploit is Rodrygo
 

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Why are you glad about that? PSG rejection means that they are most likely going to get Haaland next year as well in addition to Mbappe and quite likely Pogba.
Covid is making sure the market is going back to what we were used to. 200 mill transfers is just going to make things crazy again.

Just last year United were quoted 100 million for Sancho.
 

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They have just got Camavinga one of the best young players in the world, they already have Valverde who looks a talent, they have a good keeper, Alaba is still the right side of 30. Add Pogba and thats a quality midfield, add Mbappe and thats little money spent and the spine of a team for pretty much sod all in fees.

Sure they have an ageing side, but there are plenty of sellable assets too.

This is Real Madrid, how do they rebuild, they do what they always do an djust go and entice the best players in the world
 

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IF, big IF, Camavinga and Valverde develop as we hope this season, i think we might consider selling Casemiro to PSG next summer, if a massive money offer comes
I don't think you guys (i'm quoting you but i'm actually refering to several comments seen here, you mentionned a big if) realise where Camavinga was at before being transfered to Real. He has a lot of talent but he was barely starting for Rennes last season and wasn't good, I highly doubt he'll claim a starting spot this season. This player still doesn't know where he's supposed to play and will need a LOT of guidance from Ancelotti.
 

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I think we have seen 60% of what Valverde can offer, although I admit that Vini, Fede and Asensio are my short list of proteges.
I think that when Modric is not there, when he has the weight, we will be able to see if he is a "pajarito" or he can become an eagle.
For me, selling Vini would be a bit like selling the soul. He exudes Madridismo, seems like a great guy and brings a lot of fun on the field (and more often for his good game and not for blunders) .
Either Hazard changes a lot or his fight with Vini is totally lost.
This year the one who must finally find his place and exploit is Rodrygo
I'm done with asensio. He's had what, 3 full seasons now to prove himself and failed everytime. It's clear at this point he can't be more than a sub for us

Vini, how much would he play if we get Mbappé AND Haaland...for his own good we should let him go then
 

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I don't think you guys (i'm quoting you but i'm actually refering to several comments seen here, you mentionned a big if) realise where Camavinga was at before being transfered to Real. He has a lot of talent but he was barely starting for Rennes last season and wasn't good, I highly doubt he'll claim a starting spot this season. This player still doesn't know where he's supposed to play and will need a LOT of guidance from Ancelotti.
28 starts, 2 games injured, 1 game suspended and the other 7 starting on the bench. Barely?

I do agree though, he's one for the medium/long term rather than making an immediate impact.
 

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One of the reasons why i'm not happy about Ancelotti is that we have a lot of young players we want to develop...

Young players need a teacher-type, somebody who works a lot tactically both at macro and micro level on the training pitch

Tactics afterall is information applied to decision making, and for young players, the more information you give them, the better they will play, since they will generally lack the experience for consistently good decision making. So for example, you have young player A who is coached by, let's call him Arlo Ancetolli, who doesn't do a lot of tactical work in training, and young player B, coached by, let's call him Feck Baldiola, who does

So at one point during the game, player A gets the ball in determined situation and he has to: 1. Read the play 2. Come up with a solution of what best to do 3. Execute said action

Player B comes up in the same situation, but for him, it works like this: 1. Read the play 2. Recognize the situation as "Tibetan inverted astral configuration", something he'd practiced extensively in training 3. Go through the list of options he's gained from training to pick the best one 4. Execute said action

Player B might have more points, but because of that, he's going to make his decision quicker than player A, and it will most likely be a better one
 

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28 starts, 2 games injured, 1 game suspended and the other 7 starting on the bench. Barely?

I do agree though, he's one for the medium/long term rather than making an immediate impact.
I said barely because he was the worst of their starting midfielder last season and it wouldn't have taken a lot of serious competition to put him on the bench. To sum it up, he was pretty poor in a team that ended 6th in Ligue 1. So unless being transfered to Real performs some kind of magic trick and it puts him on the right track at lightening speed (who knows, his poor performances might have been caused by the fact that he wanted to be transfered last season, or he might also collapse because of the pressure, we know these things are unpredictable), I don't see how he could claim a starting spot with 2 seasons.
 

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Yeah, but I don't expect that to be an obstacle. Both men would swallow their pride if they thought it was the best option, like Pep did with Touré.

I think the obstacle is that Raiola reportedly wants huge wages, agent fees, sign-on bonuses, potentially even wants Haaland's dad to get a cut. City's board don't really do stuff like that, but Real Madrid don't seem to have much of a problem with it. I wouldn't expect City to get Haaland either way.
I agree, unfortunately. I'd say City are more likely to sign someone like Inaki Williams or Isak. Lautaro is unfortunately impossible now, Correa from Atleti could have been another decent option. The only superstar signing I can imagine is Lewandowski next summer if he decides to leave Bayern. But right now I'd expect one of Mbappe / Haaland to play for Real and the other for PSG.
 

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Vinicius Mbappe ?
Pogba Casemiro Camavinga
Mendy Alaba Militao Carvajal
Courtois

Oh, poor souls. What are they gonna do!? :lol:

Mbappe + Pogba on a free. Buy a right winger, add some sort of fullback squad player.
Ehmm.. Makes sense for them to go for Salah now that I think about it :)
 

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The rebuilding of the team should be imperative, as we have been delaying it for quite some time. However, my issue with it is that it has yet to be established what direction we are heading. I don’t think it’s clear enough or maybe polished until some senior players run down it's contracts.

We keep signing younger players but have the wrong choices of management to develop them. Both Rodrygo and Vinicius seemed to me regressed last season. Some youngsters look more promising and equipped to succeed at the highest level. But, don’t think the right couching is there to bring out their best attributes on the pitch. People like Nagelsmann or Klopp will probably do it better.

I will start with our backline.

A quality RB it’s very much needed.

Carvajal is injury prone these days and Lucas Vazquez is a bang average winger reconverted into a RB.

LB

It looks well covered on paper so far with Mendy and a promising Miguel Gutierrez making its way up.

CB

To me it all depends on how we finish the season. Militao and Nacho worked together just fine last season, and now we have Alaba to cover up in case any of them pick up an injury. Vallejo is a liability as a 4 option and would rather had Chust instead but it is what it is.

Our midfield while great unit that functioned brilliantly together is on it’s way out. Camavinga is a good recruitment and having Kroos and Modric as your teachers will likely help him to improve its game. If anything, I will try to get Nico Barella to strengthening our midfield next season though. I don’t know why Pogba’s name is still associated with the club, when Zidane is already gone. He was who essentially had a hard on with the player and not the board.

As for our attack, assuming we get Mbappe, Haaland should be a priority still as I think there is a handful of scenarios to take into consideration. We haven’t had a quality striker in years and the best there is right now is the Norwegian. Benzema is 34 old, and for as talented as he is, you can’t possible pass on the opportunity to sign the best striker (for maybe years to come) and continue to play with Karim far more longer as a starter.

RW

It’s our weakest side in attack for sure with no first choices. Sancho was my first pick but was never an option for our board. Salah is also a good shout but I think he's going to stay at Liverpool and I doubt we'll ever be going in for him anyways. But, if we somehow get both Haaland and Mbappe, I won’t be too fazed since I have a recurrent scenario playing in my mind:

A front three of: Mbappe – Haaland – Vinicius running through defenders with pure speed and strength. :drool:

Regarding Vinicius.

I see no strong argument as to why we should let him go. He would have enough minutes of play and even getting him to rotate/play on both wings when needed or as a sub. His progression won’t be an issue. Hazard and Asensio on the other hand are deadweight and should be gone way before considering selling Vini first, in my opinion.
 

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Yeah, but I don't expect that to be an obstacle. Both men would swallow their pride if they thought it was the best option, like Pep did with Touré.

I think the obstacle is that Raiola reportedly wants huge wages, agent fees, sign-on bonuses, potentially even wants Haaland's dad to get a cut. City's board don't really do stuff like that, but Real Madrid don't seem to have much of a problem with it. I wouldn't expect City to get Haaland either way.
Apart from Haaland's data wanting a part of fee, every other thing is common in every transfer.