What exactly is that supposed to achieve other than making them look like petty idiots to the world.
Eight Brazilian players might be ineligible to play this weekend
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So no CL game as well for Fred
Vengeance!!!
Well yeah, it's pretty obvious the top international scorer will now forever be a European player with that format.
It's not an utter procession elsewhere though. Last Conmebol round:
Brazil-Argentina (suspended, usually tight)
Ecuador 0 - Chile 0
Paraguay 1 - Colombia 1
Peru 1 - Venezuela 0
Uruguay 4 - Bolivia 2
Even Bolivia, who have never won a qualifier away from home wound up deciding double Copa winners missed out on Russia 2018.
I shudder at the prospect of Matic starting another game. If Fred doesn't have the legs to cover him while he's meandering around at left back, then Donny or Pogba certainly don't.
yet people here are doing this in the opposite direction... demanding the south american to not give a sh*t about their NT, our qualifiers are more interesting and most people who enjoy football (and many who aren't even into football) care about the NT
Now you are talking. That's the sort of thinking Brazil invariably resorts to reciprocity for.
Is this one of those Brexit-benefits everybody was talking about?
This must be one of the most stupid „covid“ rules there is.
Matic will play, and if Fred can't cover enough ground in midfield on his own, Donny has no chance.
I doubt it.
In a nutshell. Said the other day the abndoned game had nothing to do with avoiding a possible defeat and everything to do with top level football politics.
FIFA is the football's world governing body. They have these rules to administer the tension between clubs and their commercial muscle and international football with all them skint tinpot country associations.
Or the clubs can put pressure on the government to do away with the red list bollocks instead of unanimously agreeing, happy their players can take a rest and train back in England once they refuse the call-up.
That's the end game. You don't lobby? You lose 5 days. Lobby and that may be 0.
I think it's more like wanting the Brazilian FA to understand the difficulties for Brazilians employed by a British club with respect to travelling to their home country and the subsequent 14-day quarantaine returning back to England.
They could've beed mad yet understanding, and used that as a platform for a better co-operation between the clubs and the FA in the future, which is going to be needed in covid times. Now they are just being extremely petty, and it's not going to create any goodwill at the level of the clubs in the near future either. If I'm a GM in England, no chance my Brazilians are travelling for the next internationals if this goes through.
Agree, you wouldn't be a Barnet fan if you weren't passionate about them. Same holds for most -equally shit- domestic clubs here.
I tried to get people off the "big global club" mindset, but yes, you are right, you still live for your local club. Point was the one time you actually get to watch decent quality football while having skin in the game is internationals.
I guess that's the path taken by Uruguay when deciding not calling Cavani, all things considered it was better for everybody that he would stay and it can be seen as a positive precedent in the relations of the involved parties for the next call ups.
I think it is a crappy situations for the players too, who kind of end up in the middle, deciding who they "love" more.
He is wrong, the UK, India, South Africa rule applies to both foreigners and Brazilians. The difference is you are never going to be deporting Brazilians if they fail to quarantine.This must be one of the most stupid „covid“ rules there is.
Controls over quarantines are of course almost non-existent... but you probably don't want to rub it in their face showing up at a stadium on cable TV.
Is the bolded part true?
antohan seems to think it isn't, but that's what the press explained the other day... of course the Uruguayan press can be wrong haha
As above, they care about their local club, but only get to watch decent football with their pulse racing during internationals.
Will never fly with the armageddon that is Brazil, but it's completely idiotic to require 14-day quarantine from Cavani if he only comes to play home cames in Montevideo. Could use him on Thursday against direct qualification rivals Ecuador.
Yeah okay.
Almost 80% vaccinated, 72% on two doses, by October 20% with a booster to boot and under 1.5% of ICU beds with Covid patients.
Red list my arse.
It is wrong. The difference in treatment is you can't face deportation if you break quarantine as you are, well, Brazilian, where the feck would you get deported to? Back to the UK/India/South Africa?
Forget its Fred on a work permit for a minute, that's the exception to the rule.
So you people found another way to involve politics into football? And some even have the audacity to suggest clubs pressure their government to make policy changes. 
What kind of a fecking world do you live in where that can actually happen?
What kind of a fecking world do you live in where that can actually happen?Try to force the EPL clubs to allow their players to go, but it won't work. It's a 5 day ban without a trip against a 15 day quarantine.
Ban Brazil from the next World Cup
Sack Pele, Sell Ronaldo
Sack Pele, Sell Ronaldo
In general I'm more annoyed at the information that people aren't allowed to retire from national teams. That's absurd. Surely if you never accept a a-team call up you shouldn't be under control.
I find this situation really strange. So when Egypt wanted to call up Salah for the Olympics, Liverpool blocked the move and nothing Egypt national team could do, there was no news about FIFA sanctions but now apparently if you're called up and the club block it, there could be sanctions.
Something doesn't add up here.
Something doesn't add up here.
The point is to reduce it.
We'd be successful if adults could stop behaving like entitled children, but here we are 2 years later.
Nobody gives a feck about the qualifiers against the like of Andorra and San Marino.
If it isn't an important game or against another top side, international football is pisstake.
I'm not arguing for policy changes, just bringing to their attention they are wrongly red listing a country. Cavani could easily fly for home games only most international breaks. Isn't that a fair compromise?So you people found another way to involve politics into football? And some even have the audacity to suggest clubs pressure their government to make policy changes.
All it takes is the gentle nudge "next time they ask us about Cavani and internationals we may have to make it very public that this TPLSAC is performing way better than you on all metrics".
That should expedite it.
I don't remember the exact case, but I don't think olympics are mandatory for over 23 players... even more, olympics are not under FIFA rules I think?
In any case, the NT must make the complaint for anything to happen...
the rules are to avoid clubs being able to refuse lending the players, something that would ruin the international competitions. Why would clubs let the players join in any situation if there weren't forced?
Keep the faith, bro. It's good to believe in tales.Not entirely sure it applies to Olympics. Certainly in place for "FIFA dates" (i.e. int'l breaks) as it was historically a major problem with NTs getting randomly weakened depending on the club their stars played for. Ultimately, FIFA surely want the best teams with the best players to qualify and not for it all to be a complete shitshow as a result of better players being at bigger and more competitive clubs and ultimately never showing up. Juventus used to be notorious in the 90s for always having their players "injured" (much like Giggs with us).
Maybe FIFA should pay the players salaries and their insurance costs? What kind of jurisdiction even allows shit like this, where some third-party gets to decide the future of people who are not its' employee?
Sounds like a close shave.
I reckon if we don't even make the effort then we deserve not having him available for two months in October/November. Instead we just drone about employers and money. There's absolutely no reason Cavani should be quarantining if he only plays home games. Before you say it, "how about the rival players?", what's the plan for the CL/Europa then since no one else in Europe is following the same rule?
Which takes you back to the entire thing being completely bonkers when it comes to football and having to trust the clubs themselves will take adequate measures to protect their assets from outbreaks.
As it is, everyone just followed the lazy route of "feck internationals outside Europe". As expected, Brazil (at all levels) is taking the stance of "nobody fecks with me without consequences". You could see it coming a mile away.
Football and double standards, such a joke. Fifa won't prevent Hungary from having fans as the ban is from EUFA but will happily suspend players from domestic games because of a pandemic and logistical issues, fecking idiots.
I am not sure what is covered under FIFA but a quick google search shows FIFA as regulators at the Olympics for football, not entirely sure though.
The second article explains why Salah didn't go, it seems he wanted to represent Egypt but was blocked, surprisingly even Konate was chosen but was not allowed.
It just seems strange that Egypt would not try their hardest to get their best player, whereas the Brazilians were not allowed due to Brazil being on the red list.
https://olympics.com/ioc/international-association-football-federation
https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/egypt-coach-responds-to-liverpool-denying-salah