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After the Southampton game I even felt people where harsh in here but also felt it’s not a isolated performance. Performances like tonight happen quite regularly under Ole and while other times we do play good stuff, this season if we want to challenge in the league or go far in the CL we need to cut out these performances.
 

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I do. This loss is on Ole. He got everything wrong after the red card. The tactics, the substitutions, everything was wrong and it came from Ole. This was no way to play with 10 men against an inferior team like the Young Boys. It was a pathetic display, a team that looked scared and didn't know what to do. The manager is responsible for this.

I love Ole. I hope he wins a lot with us and stays many years. But to be honest, he lost us the game today.
He made some bizarre decisions tonight, no doubt about it but you have to lay some blame on AWB and Lingard.
 

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Ole went with the pragmatic option, and who can blame him?
That was not pragmatic. That was Jose levels of negative. There is a difference. What was our counter plan exactly? Lump the ball to Ronaldo and hope he does something? It seemed to be.

Any idiot could see a goal was coming. Asking your team to park a bus deeper than Newcastle did without an out ball was suicidal.
Young Boys are not even bottom table PL level ffs.

We could have seen that game out with control. We had enough quality to do so. However, we were not set up to do so. Not backs to the wall, hope they don't score nonsense.


Jesus, I know you love the manager, but its not hard to admit he cocked it up.

The way you typed that up, you'd have thought Ole was some kind of victim.
 

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Teams go a man down in football all the time. The sign of a good manager is how they react to it. Utterly baffling substitutions that cost us 2 points. How are people defending Ole for this result ? He absolutely is responsible.
 

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You're the one that said there was no point discussing, I'm just suggesting you follow your own advice.
Oh no, I'm completely aware the people who still want him around have no proper responses to the concerns around here, so nitpick posts to suit their agenda/be condescending. Don't need to remind me, I'm already well aware of this, cheers for the reminder though mate.

Also I have severely reduced how often I speak about this, I responded to another poster who shares a simliar opinion with me. People, regardless of what side they're on now, probably aren't changing their opinions.
 

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We were ten seconds and one individual mistake away from a much quieter thread - shame.
Probably not, this thread was still active after a 4-1 win.

Some people look at more than just the scoreboard. The performance would be terrible anyway, 10 men or not.
 

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The majority, yes. There will be grumbles of course, but those of us who want Ole replaced with a top class coach, are in the minority.
Who would you replace him with though?

I have my reservations about his ability (game management today was poor) but there's no point changing for changes sake. Who do we replace him with?
 

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That exact quote was repeated many times after game vs Turkish side last year. And you know how that ended.
Most last season after beating Leipzig 5-0 where calling the German league a farmers league then when they knocked us out said it wasn’t the worst as it was a hard group.
This season is different if we can’t get out of this group Ole is in serious troubld
 

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Who would you replace him with though?

I have my reservations about his ability (game management today was poor) but there's no point changing for changes sake. Who do we replace him with?
I think Zidane would do well for us if he was willing to come. I don't think that right now is the time to replace the manager though.
 

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He made some bizarre decisions tonight, no doubt about it but you have to lay some blame on AWB and Lingard.
I don't think so. A player getting a red card is something that can happen. The total collapse after that is on Ole only.
 

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This was a poor loss that was 100% because of two huge individual errors.
Seeing the harsh and over the top criticism of Ole is sad really. It’s perfectly fine with criticism but the harsh name calling etc is unworthy.
 

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I think Zidane would do well for us if he was willing to come. I don't think that right now is the time to replace the manager though.
Right now is obviously not the right time as while there is question marks Ole is doing fine so far this season. I would take Conte here though
 

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Oh no, I'm completely aware the people who still want him around have no proper responses to the concerns around here, so nitpick posts to suit their agenda/be condescending. Don't need to remind me, I'm already well aware of this, cheers for the reminder though mate.

Also I have severely reduced how often I speak about this, I responded to another poster who shares a simliar opinion with me. People, regardless of what side they're on now, probably aren't changing their opinions.
I'm a pragmatic fan, I expect Ole to put his money where his mouth is this season and lead us to a good title challenge and get us into the knock out stages in the CL. What I don't like is this insistence that he's shit, he's not shit at all. This is our first loss of the season in a pretty unusual fashion. Does that mean I need to throw my toys out of the pram and demand he's sacked? No.

He's assembled a great squad with plenty of quality and experience and contrary to what a lot of people are trying to say, generally has us playing good football. He's earned the right to see out this campaign as long as we're improving upon last season.
 

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There are simply no excuses for him this season.

He needs to gets results. Like @Womp said, he'd probably get more leeway from the detractors if our football was better, but it isn't. So results are a must.
 

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It's not nonsense that he relies on individualism.
That is why our team look disjointed against any team that are well coached and can handle the ball.
It's thesame reason why our performance in most games can be dog shit but we end up with a win because we are very clinical due to our superior firepower.
Its thesame reason we find it difficult to break low blocks and our performances are very unpredictable.

He is not good enough, doesnt matter what lie anybody keeps telling themselves, sooner or later he will always come short when it matters.
I think it is nonsense.

There's no way he is basing his entire attacking philsopshy and game plan around individuals producing goals and moments out of nothing.
 

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I don't think so. A player getting a red card is something that can happen. The total collapse after that is on Ole only.
This is my point too. The sending off changed the game and yes AWB is at fault but what proceeded it is on the manager. Ole had to change it up after the sending off and did a bad job tactically
 

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7 defeats in 11 Champions League games isn't great reading is it. He absolutely has to (and will, I'm sure) turn that record around this year, even if only through the group at least.
 

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I don't think so. A player getting a red card is something that can happen. The total collapse after that is on Ole only.
Yeah and losing a game whilst a man down is something that can(and very often does) happen as well... to blame the whole loss on Ole is absolutely, mind meltingly dumb.
 

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Sitting top of the PL table after 4 games and loads of people want him gone. Football can mess with your mind so much. Hahahaha

11 vs 11 we probably coast to a 2-0 or 3-0 win tonight and everything is rosy. We lose a man to a red and all of a sudden it's the end of Ole and the end of the world. That's how fine the lines can be in sport.

If we get out of the group nobody will give two craps about tonight. It won't mean anything.
 

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Right now is obviously not the right time as while there is question marks Ole is doing fine so far this season. I would take Conte here though
I'm the same on Ole. I think we must wait until at least after the CL groups to evaluate him. I'm not sold on Conte though for our players; I think Zidane makes more sense, especially with Ronaldo and Pogba around. That said, if it was Conte I wouldn't throw my toys out the cot!
 

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The only relevant question currently is whether we want him sacked or not right now. I'd personally keep him and hope my concerns are wrong and that he can win us a trophy, as I don't feel it's the right time for the club to sack him. (even though deep down I know I'll be disappointed, I just hope I'm not so will support him and the team, because what else can you do?)
No, not now of course. But if he fails to get this team out of the CL then we should already be approaching a manager to take over from next summer and plan without Ole. This is an elite squad we have assembled, not getting out of the CL groups 2 seasons in a row, with this level of opposition, is unacceptable and the damage to the reputation (of both club and manager) huge.

He shouldn’t be sacked mid-season unless the team unravels in the league too. Then we can have an interim manager until our primary target is available.
 

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Sitting top of the PL table after 4 games and loads of people want him gone. Football can mess with your mind so much. Hahahaha

11 vs 11 we probably coast to a 2-0 or 3-0 win tonight and everything is rosy. We lose a man to a red and all of a sudden it's the end of Ole and the end of the world. That's how fine the lines can be in sport.

If we get out of the group nobody will give two craps about tonight. It won't mean anything.
We better get through. Won't get much easier groups in the CL.
 

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Who would you replace him with though?

I have my reservations about his ability (game management today was poor) but there's no point changing for changes sake. Who do we replace him with?
If you want to go down the pragmatic route - Conte, Zidane, Simeone. If you want to go down the progressive route - Potter (even though it'd be a huge risk), Gasperini, Ten Hag.

We did miss a trick with Bayern snapping up Nagelsmann and Dortmund getting Rose though, imo.
 

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Who would you replace him with though?

I have my reservations about his ability (game management today was poor) but there's no point changing for changes sake. Who do we replace him with?
I’d give Conte a try. Get him to make us competitive and win something big, then sack him when he starts to make trouble. He might be a bit boring but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as negative as Jose and he’s clearly a much better coach than Ole.

I’d wanted Tuchel but it is too late now.
 

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I agree. We should challenge for the league, I think we're leaking too many goals so far however and we will 100% get out of our CL group. We might not top the group but we will definitely go through.


No one thinks this - fans are just wanting to see some structure and possession retention, essentially not the random selection of subs that followed. It's more annoying when you see Chelsea do it against Liverpool at Anfield recently because you can see how sponge like their defence is.

Tonight, going 5 at the back was a good idea with 10 men but we simply can't play positional possession and it's not because of personnel, it's because Carrick (no 1st team coaching experience) & McKenna (no 1st team coaching experience) are leading our training sessions. I don't think I know more than football about Ole but I do think it's logical to think you can't survive that long by just sitting back and hoofing it long.
What could he have done differently that would have assured a positive result tonight? Or better yet, what would you have done?

Before you ask, I don't know what I would have done differently. I'm just a football fan after all.
 

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Sitting top of the PL table after 4 games and loads of people want him gone. Football can mess with your mind so much. Hahahaha

11 vs 11 we probably coast to a 2-0 or 3-0 win tonight and everything is rosy. We lose a man to a red and all of a sudden it's the end of Ole and the end of the world. That's how fine the lines can be in sport.

If we get out of the group nobody will give two craps about tonight. It won't mean anything.
What a reasonable take. I didn't realise there were so many people with an exe to grind.
 

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If you want to go down the pragmatic route - Conte, Zidane, Simeone. If you want to go down the progressive route - Potter (even though it'd be a huge risk), Gasperini, Ten Hag.

We did miss a trick with Bayern snapping up Nagelsmann and Dortmund getting Rose though, imo.
Zidane makes the most sense from the pragmatic route.

I highly doubt he'd want to come to England to manage though.

I agree that we missed snatching Nagelsmann, but I doubt he stays at Bayern forever.
 

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The thing you should ask yourself, is would you have done things any different tonight?

You're 1-0 up and cruising, then all of a sudden, through no fault of your own, you find yourself a man down due to a single player's recklessness. Do you protect your lead and rely on your vastly superior defence compared to their attack to hold on, in addition to playing to the team's counterattacking strengths *or* continue in a similar fashion pre-red card, knowing that every time your side push forward, they are leaving gaping holes in behind due to being a man down and horribly susceptible to counter attacks in the process?

It's easy for a fan of the club to say "I'd attack attack attack because we're United and we should be stomping YB blah blah", it's not quite so easy for the manager of the club who has to answer to the upper-management, shareholders and roughly 750 fans worldwide if he gets it wrong.

Ole went with the pragmatic option, and who can blame him?
There is a middle path between mad attack attack attack and going complete Jose and trying to hang out to a 1-0 win. Having a few superior players does not make you into a defensive unit.
 

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I don't post on here very often, just lurk for the most part. To be honest I've been put off from posting because of the absolute bile that's posted in threads like this by certain posters, it makes it very off putting to bother posting an opinion.

Let me just say too that I'm neither Ole in or out, I'm on the fence, but I do think he is limited as a manager, and so are our coaches. I do think certain other coaches would have either got a draw or seen out the 0-1. But I also think that we're in such a better place than we were before he took over that I'm not sure it's worth the risk in sacking him.

The other thing I want to say, if I'm allowed by the mods, that certain posters really need to be pulled up on the things that they keep calling Ole, like fecking clown and a joke of a man. It's just not on, and contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion and I'm pretty sick of it, and I'm sure others are as well.
 

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No, not now of course. But if he fails to get this team out of the CL then we should already be approaching a manager to take over from next summer and plan without Ole. This is an elite squad we have assembled, not getting out of the CL groups 2 seasons in a row, with this opposition, it is unacceptable and the damage to the reputation (of both club and manager) huge.

He shouldn’t be sacked mid-season unless the team unravels in the league too. Then we can have an interim manager until our primary target is available.
Yep this is almost exactly where I'm at, though if he doesn't get us out of the CL group I'd likely sack him immediately unless we are flying in the league.
 

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I’d give Conte a try. Get him to make us competitive and win something big, then sack him when he starts to make trouble. He might be a bit boring but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as negative as Jose and he’s clearly a much better coach than Ole.

I’d wanted Tuchel but it is too late now.
I would be surprised if Conte and Ronaldo got along. I could see them getting into it on numerous occasions.

Conte is an excellent manager, but he literally implodes with every board of every club he's managed.
 

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I'm a pragmatic fan, I expect Ole to put his money where his mouth is this season and lead us to a good title challenge and get us into the knock out stages in the CL. What I don't like is this insistence that he's shit, he's not shit at all. This is our first loss of the season in a pretty unusual fashion. Does that mean I need to throw my toys out of the pram and demand he's sacked? No.

He's assembled a great squad with plenty of quality and experience and contrary to what a lot of people are trying to say, generally has us playing good football. He's earned the right to see out this campaign as long as we're improving upon last season.
Where I disagree is that suggesting we need a better manager is 'throwing my toys out of the pram'. The thing is, these results aren't isolated. Even when we win, we far too often don't play well, simply put, that's not sustainable, as has been shown since his time here. Hell, go even further back to Jose's time here to identify that style being ineffective against managers like Klopp/Pep etc.

I agree this team is stacked but simply put, if you're not giving the fans hope with the football being played (surely no-one can watch the slow, predictable passing, lack of movement etc. and be hopeful of progressive football?) then you need to simply win. If you're not winning and also there is no identifiable signs of progressive football to place your faith in, what exactly are we waiting for? His footballing approach has been consistent since he's been here, are we suddenly going to start playing some ridiculous football 5,6,7 years into his reign out of nowhere? It's extremely unlikely.

So I agree with you, without a trophy this season, he needs to go, because simply, apart from results, we aren't getting much more from a footballing perspective at the moment. There is nothing further to wait for. He's had more time than any other manager post SAF, has also gone the longest amount of time post SAF without winning a trophy and has received more investment from the board for players too. He's been given everything. He now needs to deliver.

Credit where credit is due though, he's done incredibly well at the other aspects of management, has strengthened the squad, seemingly got everyone back on board etc.
 

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No, not now of course. But if he fails to get this team out of the CL then we should already be approaching a manager to take over from next summer and plan without Ole. This is an elite squad we have assembled, not getting out of the CL groups 2 seasons in a row, with this level of opposition, is unacceptable and the damage to the reputation (of both club and manager) huge.

He shouldn’t be sacked mid-season unless the team unravels in the league too. Then we can have an interim manager until our primary target is available.
I agree completely with this.

If we fail to make it out of the group then this is his last season as manager. But no need to sack mid season unless we're veering out of the top four.
 
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