For The Culture….Young Kings Versuz: Bellingham or Musiala, who is better?

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Two very talented 18 year olds, but who is better? And who has the higher ceiling?
 

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Musiala rejected Chelsea, and then England, so feck that kid. Bellingham.
 

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Musiala. Just because he is doing it at Bayern.

Every team in the Bundesliga is producing talents left right and centre all the time but only a handful of them become real stars. There are so many bundesliga talents who failed to make the next step.

The last talents coming through for Bayern (and I mean really coming through, and not playing 10 games and then get loaned or transferred) were Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Alaba, Kroos and Badstuber (who was an undisputed member of the national team before his career got wrecked by injuries).

Doing it at Bayern is almost a guarantee to become one of the worlds best and he is doing it right now. At the moment he is „starter number 12“ for Bayern, meaning he is the first player to get subbed in or to start when someone is injured and I can‘t see a scenario in which he isn‘t an undisputed starter for Bayern and Germany as early as next season.
 
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They are not playing in the same position so hard to compare. Both great talents though.
 

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Musiala. Just because he is doing it at Bayern.

Every team in the Bundesliga is producing talents left right and centre all the time but only a handful of them become real stars. There are so many bundesliga talents who failed to make the next step.

The last talents coming through for Bayern (and I mean really coming through, and not playing 10 games and then get loaned or transferred) were Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Alaba, Kroos and Badstuber (who was an undisputed member of the national team before his career got wrecked by injuries).

Doing it at Bayern is almost a guarantee to become one of the worlds best and he is doing it right now. At the moment he is „starter number 12“ for Bayern, meaning he is the first player to get subbed in or to start when someone is injured and I can‘t see a scenario in which he isn‘t an undisputed starter for Bayern and Germany as early as next season.
Yeah it’s harder to break into the team at Bayern but once you’re there you have the benefit of playing with better players?
 

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Yeah it’s harder to break into the team at Bayern but once you’re there you have the benefit of playing with better players?
Yes and that proves my point. You have to be an extraordinary talent to make it in this squad.

And once you make it, you profit from playing with outstanding players which will make you even better.
 

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How many people know what a Verzuz is? Let's start there
Not the OP. If this was a true Verzuz it would be individual performance v performance and best out of 20.

But I'll go with spicy Musiala. He looks a bit like slenderman at the moment, but he's probably the best young dribbler in football at the moment; he glides on the pitch, and still also presses and defends like a maniac.

Bellingham is so seasoned for his age already but I get the vibes that whilst he'll go down an incredible player, he won't quite have a set role in midfield.
 

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Not the OP. If this was a true Verzuz it would be individual performance v performance and best out of 20.

But I'll go with spicy Musiala. He looks a bit like slenderman at the moment, but he's probably the best young dribbler in football at the moment; he glides on the pitch, and still also presses and defends like a maniac.

Bellingham is so seasoned for his age already but I get the vibes that whilst he'll go down an incredible player, he won't quite have a set role in midfield.
How dare you…..
 

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Musiala. Just because he is doing it at Bayern.

Every team in the Bundesliga is producing talents left right and centre all the time but only a handful of them become real stars. There are so many bundesliga talents who failed to make the next step.

The last talents coming through for Bayern (and I mean really coming through, and not playing 10 games and then get loaned or transferred) were Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Alaba, Kroos and Badstuber (who was an undisputed member of the national team before his career got wrecked by injuries).

Doing it at Bayern is almost a guarantee to become one of the worlds best and he is doing it right now. At the moment he is „starter number 12“ for Bayern, meaning he is the first player to get subbed in or to start when someone is injured and I can‘t see a scenario in which he isn‘t an undisputed starter for Bayern and Germany as early as next season.
Badstuber failed and Contento played plenty of games
 

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Badstuber failed and Contento played plenty of games
Contento? You might as well name Ottl and Lell :lol:

And Badstuber didn't fail either.. he was starting basically every game for Bayern and most games for Die Mannschaft until he picked up one devastating injury after another between 2012 and 2016.
 

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Bellingham is the more mature player right now, he looks so comfortable and composed. But I can't help but get giddy when I see Musiala gliding past players. It's a toss up.
 

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The comparison is partially valid. Jude can and has played Musiala’s positions as a wide forward and 10 both at junior and senior level. Both Bellingham’s goal and assist last night came from the wide attacking areas. At least according to whoscored he was playing as the right wide forward for Dortmund last night (I didn’t see the game). Which brings you to the first argument as to why Bellingham is the bigger talent - he’s one of the most positionally versatile players about. Since he started playing senior football two seasons ago he’s played in every midfield position, every attacking midfield position and even a couple of games as a 9. I’ve seen him play at the base of midfield, as a box to box 8 and out wide for Dortmund. The second argument would be Jude’s mentality. He’s a born leader and is a personality and character in the dressing room at just 18. Musiala is known as a more introverted and shy character, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but Jude looks nailed on to be a future captain for club and country.

The other interesting aspect of the comparison is they came through the England ranks together and are close friends. They were part of a very talented group for England with Harvey Elliot, Karamoko Dembele and Liam Delap, among others. Elliot was actually the player promoted beyond his age group first from those players and Dembele got all the early hype.

Of course you can never predict these thing with absolute confidence and they’ve generally both been regarded as elite level talents since being young kids but I‘ll go with Jude for the reasons outlined above.
 

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The comparison is partially valid. Jude can and has played Musiala’s positions as a wide forward and 10 both at junior and senior level. Both Bellingham’s goal and assist last night came from the wide attacking areas. At least according to whoscored he was playing as the right wide forward for Dortmund last night (I didn’t see the game). Which brings you to the first argument as to why Bellingham is the bigger talent - he’s one of the most positionally versatile players about. Since he started playing senior football two seasons ago he’s played in every midfield position, every attacking midfield position and even a couple of games as a 9. I’ve seen him play at the base of midfield, as a box to box 8 and out wide for Dortmund. The second argument would be Jude’s mentality. He’s a born leader and is a personality and character in the dressing room at just 18. Musiala is known as a more introverted and shy character, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but Jude looks nailed on to be a future captain for club and country.

The other interesting aspect of the comparison is they came through the England ranks together and are close friends. They were part of a very talented group for England with Harvey Elliot, Karamoko Dembele and Liam Delap, among others. Elliot was actually the player promoted beyond his age group first from those players and Dembele got all the early hype.

Of course you can never predict these thing with absolute confidence and they’ve generally both been regarded as elite level talents since being young kids but I‘ll go with Jude for the reasons outlined above.
Fair points all. I remember all the Karamoko Dembele hype from a couple of years ago but he seems to have lost his way somewhat.
 

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Fair points all. I remember all the Karamoko Dembele hype from a couple of years ago but he seems to have lost his way somewhat.
He’s struggled to break through for Celtic. There were reports that he was looking to leave. Then there were rumblings that he was going to play a lot more this season but he picked up a fairly bad injury in pre-season. Still plenty of time for him though.
 

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When we are talking about 18 year olds in the Bundesliga... Florian Wirtz *scnr* :devil:
 

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I've never heard either of them sing, so I'll have to go with Memphis Depay.
 

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I've never heard either of them sing, so I'll have to go with Memphis Depay.
I don't know how to tell you, but even though Memphis portraits himself like a teenager in those videos, he's actually much older.
 

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I think we should buy Bellingham so we can fairly judge them under fair and even conditions. :angel:
 

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I don't know how to tell you, but even though Memphis portraits himself like a teenager in those videos, he's actually much older.
He's still young though. At least, he is to me, and I'm not that old..
 

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It's a really tough decision for me, both are absolutely outstanding for their age.

I think Bellingham might be a bit more consistent in his performances and the position of a central midfielder is harder/more demanding than the position of a winger, so I would give him a slight advantage right now.

But Musiala is already giving Sané, Coman and Gnabry a really good battle for the starting positions in the squad, which might be a bit harder than to get in the Dortmund squad.

As I said, both are already very good players and they are just incredible if you consider their age.