The temptation is always to say ‘oh that’s just Ole being diplomatic, keeping his cards close to his chest, etc.’ but the stark reality is he brought Lingard back, despite him being a valuable transfer commodity who could’ve generated much-needed funds to shore up central midfield, and he has played him a fair amount already, and will no doubt continue to do so, even though it’s blatantly obvious that he’s nowhere near the required the level. Maybe it’s time to admit that the same applies to Ole.
Solskjær press conference vs West Ham (A)
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What he said shouldnt be taken seriously. Its what you see game after game that matters.
Not upset at all by what he said. I look at the performances and results. I was more replying to you kinda making it sound like anything beyond passion and desire is for hipsters when clearly there is a lot more to good management than that.
Anyway, all good and I think it’s semantics at this point which is boring.
I’m not convinced he didn’t get what he wanted.
The stuff about Lingard is just par for the course with Ole anyway. A ruthless shifter of deadwood? Is he feck.
No doubt he'll get another contract, probably bumped up to 130k a week or more to encourage him to sign it, and that'll be him stinking up our bench for another 4 years because with that extra wage packet he'll be as unsaleable as Martial.
No doubt he'll get another contract, probably bumped up to 130k a week or more to encourage him to sign it, and that'll be him stinking up our bench for another 4 years because with that extra wage packet he'll be as unsaleable as Martial.
Lingard didn't want to leave.
Only Mourinho would be likely to throw one of our players under the bus, so I wouldn't expect Ole to.
Unfortunately, rather than just defending the likes of Lingard in a press conference, he is acting on that and actually continuing to play him ahead of other players who would contribute more. It's inexcusable to keep shoehorning him into the team to get minutes so he'll agree a new contract.
He should be fazed out and we should force his departure in January. It's madness to keep someone around just because "he’s a red through and through". We're not a charity!
Those two things are very similar though? If you explain that, you ARE giving away tactical secrets? And it's a press conference... Ole has answered every question at every one like a politician. Straight bat, nothing of interest.
Maybe he hates them and is just doing the minimum. Maybe he doesn't like the questions. I've got no idea (neither has anyone else) and the onfield results do and should, mean far more. We need a result v West Ham.
And I'm fine with the Ole Out style comments but a Paul Merson comparison?
Too far... too far.You think he'll get no offers if he was available on a free? Ok mate
I didn’t mention passion and desire anywhere but if that’s one of Ole’s ethos then I’m happy with that. He didn’t seem to need much of a philosophy beating Pep, Touchel and other great mangers consistently.
"Football is a simple game. It's passion, desire, who wants to win that tackle, who wants to get on the end of crosses. It's not about intricacies".
^ His actual quotes from today.
I don't think this is an outlook that will work when squaring up against Pep, Klopp, Tuchel.
I'd like to be wrong of course but it's not filling me with confidence in year 4 and 0 trophies.
^ His actual quotes from today.
I don't think this is an outlook that will work when squaring up against Pep, Klopp, Tuchel.
I'd like to be wrong of course but it's not filling me with confidence in year 4 and 0 trophies.
I just don't understand this take, which has been very popular since Ole took over, and was not held aloft by anyone prior to Ole taking over. Of course it matters. It mattered when he talked down our chances when we were top of the table midway through last season. It matters when he's navigated the Pogba situation (really well) in the press. It all matters. And how he responded to the question of what his vision is, he really did himself no favours as it will be quoted relentlessly until he either moves up a level or loses his job.
The main problem for me is that we didn't get a CM/DM, that is why our possession play isn't as good as i'd want to.
Rather have a CM than Sancho - in hindsight.
It's not only after a loss, people go mental after a fecking presser, the football forum is trash now, and many good posters stay out of it.
(not considering myself good poster, i stay out of football discussions online most of the time - just have to comment on some things now and then
)He definitely gives the impression of someone just trying to coast through them without giving too much ammunition for the vultures.Those two things are very similar though? If you explain that, you ARE giving away tactical secrets? And it's a press conference... Ole has answered every question at every one like a politician. Straight bat, nothing of interest.
Maybe he hates them and is just doing the minimum. Maybe he doesn't like the questions. I've got no idea (neither has anyone else) and the onfield results do and should, mean far more. We need a result v West Ham.
And I'm fine with the Ole Out style comments but a Paul Merson comparison?
People shouldn’t read too much into the lingard comments. Ole always puts on a positive front for all his players irrespective of the reality. And honestly, why not? No point potentially demoralising your players or putting off suitors.
People said he didnt want to get philosophical by giving that straight answer but the talk about passion and being in a team is as philosophical as anything. Add great personality and youd think its Brendan talking.
The scenes here if Jose had told that
Now many are brushing it under the "He is not going to spill his tactics in a presser" carpet
Then he should've been told unequivocally that he didn't have a place in the first team and would be training / playing with the U-23s. Freezing him out would've put pressure on him to leave.
Because we dont really know whats going on behind the scene. There is a chance he only said whats needed to be said or he didnt really prepare for that type of question so he started rambling. Most managers are bullshitters anyway. The performances we see over a long period of time however, is a reflection of the work behind the scene. I think thats fair.
I would've been delighted if Jose said anything that wasn't throwing players or the club under the busThe scenes here if Jose had told that
Now many are brushing it under the "He is not going to spill his tactics in a presser" carpet
That's it. We are radically inconsistent. And we struggle to take the sting out of a game. Look at how we played pre-Bruno. We were a counter attacking unit. With Bruno we gained a bit more space as he offers that threat both in terms of shots and his passing, but we were still a counter attacking unit with the biggest difference maker in the league (at that stage). Now we've got a team that really should be able to dominate games. Early in the season, of course, but it's a fair question, and I'm happy he was asked, as it's the elephant in the room really.
That would be an upgrade - right now I think its ally mccoist.
There's nothing to explain. It's all out there on the pitch. If we lose it's because we didn't "want it more". That's his philosophy.
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100% agree that what he says should be taken seriously and that he should be judged on what happens on the pitch.
The thing is though, our performances are what have led to the perception that we're undercoached and that he has limited tactical knowledge .
And in that context these comments are odd to me. Because even if they're not a fair representation of the thought that goes into our team tactically, they still publicly play into the perception of him being someone who is weak in that regard. So of all the things he could have said that we shouldn't take seriously, I don't get why he'd opt for ones that reinforce the negative perception of him. When (I'd have thought) he would want to convey the idea that actually we do put a lot of thought into how our team is set-up and coached and that he is more considered than his critics suggest. I wouldn't take those comments at face value either but at least they'd prompt a less negative response.
He was asked specifically about getting praise after Leeds/Newcastle to the doom and gloom after the other night. That led him to speak about journalists over-analysing everything and he was saying it's never as bad or as good as it's made out to be. For, example the win over Leeds wasn't a sign that we were going to win the league and the loss against Young Boys doesn't mean we're shit, although he said they did not play well or to their usual standard.
He is saying that what they do on the training ground and the process is important and that's what they concentrate on. They go out with the intention of playing a certain way and with a certain attitude and he's making decisions and substitutions with the intention of affecting the game positively. You trust the process and if the process is good then results will come.
These things don't always work out and you are judged based on the outcome. If the result is bad then the decisions are deemed to have been bad and if the result is good then the decisions are deemed to have been good when that's not always the case.
I see a lot of people didn’t like his response to that. at first look I don’t either but then I think that the season has started so he’s hardly going to say “I really want to ship McFred out, Pogba wants out, so does Jesse, I didn’t even want VdB and lastly I didn’t have any budget left.. I felt Sancho, Varane were players we couldn’t miss out on, then Ronaldo happened but that didn’t cost us much up front”
instead he made shit up on the spot. Can’t blame him for that
Surely people don’t believe that. Most United fans are loving the job Ole is doing.
What does this even mean? Does he have the player or not? I cant decide whether he is calling every midfielder shit or they are good.
Did no one bother asking him if McTominay is back fit?
I'm not really sure that's true. We had an issue with midfield in the summer of 2019. It went unaddressed. Lost Herrera and had a desperately out of form Fred (who most thought was the worst deal of the century). Credit to Ole for getting Fred up a few levels, but the following season we were over reliant on Pogba and when he got injured (and subsequently rushed back to play a cup game against a league one side if memory serves where he aggravated his injury) our lack of options which was there for all to see the summer before, came back to haunt us.
And it's not just about the midfield personnel, as it is about the way we play. There are plenty of lesser teams who have a better collective output. So the whole coaching question, the vision, is pretty pertinent.
Ridiculous post. Pep is on a different planet compared to Ole. Pep develops players individually and collectively. He has won top trophies wherever he went. Ole so far has been a serial bottler in the prem. Despite having had one of the best squads in the league he has won nothing. Not even a league cup. In CL his results are quite shite, and he even crumbled in an EL final despite having a much better squad. Pep has proven time and again that he is a world class manager, while Solskjaer is a nobody in managers world. The day Guardiola leaves City will be celebrated by all their main competitors, while having Ole managing United will continue to be a pure joy for City, Chelsea and Liverpool fans.
Okay, then fair enough on the first part, which I didn't see, but I can't agree on the second. Ultimately, you're a manager and your job is to win football matches.
All good and well having the right attitude and so on, but you've still gotta win, especially at a club of this magnitude.
As for the process, the trust is given with a goal coming into sight. You would have to say that this year requires him to bear fruition on the goals allocated to him with that trust.
The reason I'm conflicted on his statement here is that in the post match interview he said we played well, which didn't sit right with me. We were awful.
In my opinion, for the first time, it's coming across that he appears a bit rattled. I could be wrong, but the pressure on him to build on the past this season is absolutely immense. Nothing like what he's experienced before.
Good to see Telles back. Hope it fires up Shawdini
If I cast my mind back to last season, we had a poor start but I feel people were less ready to give up on him. Finishing 2nd way off the top doesn't really offset losing more semis, the final loss against Villarreal and then seeing a rival hire a known manager and immediately win the CL...I don't know just a feeling I have that it's going to be unbearable if we don't beat WHUM.
I was watching Garry Neville's interview of Roy Keane recently and there was a point when they both laughed at the "philosophy" aspect of football. Both seemed rather dismissive of it.
Very narrow minded view from them imo and generally from people who dismiss modern coaches as "hipster" or some other silly word.
Having the means to make your team work hard, press and move well is equally important as "recruitment".
Stuck in the past used to be the scousers way. How the turntables
Very narrow minded view from them imo and generally from people who dismiss modern coaches as "hipster" or some other silly word.
Having the means to make your team work hard, press and move well is equally important as "recruitment".
Stuck in the past used to be the scousers way. How the turntables
Agreed he is safe for now but like i said 4/5 bad results in a row or he doesn't make it out of the /cl group and he will be under huge pressure. I happen to agree with those who say he will not be fired unless top 4 is gone mathematically but i think that would be the wrong decision.
Ole will never be Klopp. He will never be Fergie or any other great manager. The guy has been in management for over a decade., he is not improving in his 11th year. Anyways nothing we can do but ride out the season. Strap on those seatbelts and stay strong mentally fellow reds.
Pep has been successful but for your tongue to be that far up his arse you just have to be a City supporter. He has had massive backing year in and year out and how many CL titles does he have? I did not say Ole was better but Jesus, you and Pep need to get a room.
Because Ole rates him. If Ole told him; i don't count on you, he would have left. Now we 100% know that Ole is the reason
Top quote is; who wants win more, wins.