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Shame we’re aren’t more like Brighton
A politicians answer doesn’t have to mean ‘I don’t know’, it can also mean ‘I’m not telling you’.Two minutes of absolute waffle. A proper politicians answer that. He hasn't a scooby, and it shows.
A politicians answer doesn’t have to mean ‘I don’t know’, it can also mean ‘I’m not telling you’.Two minutes of absolute waffle. A proper politicians answer that. He hasn't a scooby, and it shows.
I agree. I'm just pointing out people don't need to blindly defend Ole against everything. Questioning the coaching staff because of their inexperience is completely fair & logical. If that makes for an actual debate I'm all for it.Jesus, he will want to get rid of most of the team so. Then take another 5 years building it, if he can find the players he wants. Think coaching from inside should be considered.
I would agree re being up-and-coming but then I'm of the opinion you have to put in the time from a tutelage perspective for any form of coaching and the only one who has seemingly done that is Pert - who I never really see mentioned anywhere. If you want to be a lawyer, you could go to a magic circle firm but if there is no hands on mentoring from above you aren't going to develop. I'd love to have seen Carrick go and get experience externally, even try management in the lower leagues or abroad and then come back - if you stay in the same environment forever you aren't exactly going to be pushing on the innovation front.It's not, and I love Ole and what he's done with the squad. He's all about United before himself, but surely he could do with some help from some established coaches on the training pitch?
From what I've heard/read, some of the coaching staff (e.g. McKenna) are bright up and coming talents, but should a club like United have a group of talented but mostly inexperienced learners as the coaching staff? The jury is out on the likes of Carrick and Fletcher, but they do not seem like the sorts to bring new ideas to the table, just because they played a major part of their careers under the same manager as Ole.
To be fair, that is actually true in most games we play and did play in the past. Especially under SAF.That was Ferguson’s go-to team talk according to Darren Fletcher anytime we played a team we were expected to beat. “You’re better than them - the only way you don’t win is if they outwork you”.
Ole on his midfield...
Sensitive to pressure? Have you seen some of the batshit mental and borderline insulting things that have been said about him on national platforms like TalkSport, The Independent, Guardian et al since 2019? He's been dignified after every bad defeat, never lashing out like Jose or LvG did, or having a victim complex like Moyes did, and he has still given each and every one of these journalists the time of day, including Carl Anka who asked the question which led to this diatribe of nonsense that has been unleashed.Ole is sensitive to pressure and I still feel he is learning what it means to manage this club. You can see it. His response re how he wants his team to play is a little strange... is he looking for a Keane, Scholes, Robson... because his signings do not suggest so, and his coaching style does not suggest so. He sure isn't developing Fred, Mantic etc into these types of players, so I am not sure why he responded that way.
I think we will beat West Ham (as, fortunately for us, Antonio is suspended, correct????), and everything will settle for a few days.
But Ole knows the pressure is well and truly on this season. And the signing of CR7 will only magnify and increase that. It may all come good, very good.... but it's difficult to commit to his management style. It lacks definition, no matter who he signs. That's an ongoing worry for me.
Yep, pretty much agree.Maybe it's just me but I don't find it particularly interesting that he hasn't waffled on about pressing details, formations and "patterns of play" in a press conference. What would be the point, who does it benefit? The fact Klopp or Pep may have done it at one time or another doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. It's not a criteria for management.
The reality is if he'd have divulged his ideas he probably would be getting criticised for the fact that we don't always live up to his talk as there is an obvious disparity between where we are and where we need to be. There is nothing Ole can say in a conference that would change the mind of a portion of our fans that quibble everything that he does. They are going to take the contrary position more often than not even if it means taking up a tenuous line of argument, and in that context it can be seen that a tactical soundbyte is meaningless.
The place where Ole needs to excel is on the football pitch. I am completely unfussed regarding his press conference performance. He carries himself well and without attracting circus like attention and that's enough for me. I don't want to be audibly convinced of his acumen, I want to see the team play good football more consistently and then assess both the performances and the results, there is nothing he's going to say to the press that dissuades me from this view.
He either sinks or he swims this season but I'll support him in the meantime. There is having doubts, which I think nearly everyone has at least in some measure, and then there is creating ridiculous, juvenile sticks to beat the manager with.
I understood that reference.I was watching Garry Neville's interview of Roy Keane recently and there was a point when they both laughed at the "philosophy" aspect of football. Both seemed rather dismissive of it.
Very narrow minded view from them imo and generally from people who dismiss modern coaches as "hipster" or some other silly word.
Having the means to make your team work hard, press and move well is equally important as "recruitment".
Stuck in the past used to be the scousers way. How the turntables
Philosophy in football is nonsense. Buzz words to seem intellectual. What you’re literally describing is tactics and Ole actually describes how he wants from his midfielders as an exampleI was watching Garry Neville's interview of Roy Keane recently and there was a point when they both laughed at the "philosophy" aspect of football. Both seemed rather dismissive of it.
Very narrow minded view from them imo and generally from people who dismiss modern coaches as "hipster" or some other silly word.
Having the means to make your team work hard, press and move well is equally important as "recruitment".
Stuck in the past used to be the scousers way. How the turntables
Pretty sure other managers only talk or explain tactics after they won, not before, and certainly not right after a loss. This is literally the worst time for him to explain himself, as the press would have a field day picking his words apart. That's why I'm baffled at some of the expectations here. Ole seems to get judged by a completely different stick.Maybe it's just me but I don't find it particularly interesting that he hasn't waffled on about pressing details, formations and "patterns of play" in a press conference. What would be the point, who does it benefit? The fact Klopp or Pep may have done it at one time or another doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. It's not a criteria for management.
Tony Adams at Granada energy.Solskjaer asked about midfield and his 'philosophy'
"I’m not here to explain every single detail of how I want my team to play. We want central midfielder who can play. Today’s football is about he’s a good 6, 8, 10 back in the day you had proper midfielders, Roy Keane, Paul Scholes, Bryan Robson. You see players out there who can attack and defend and that’s what we look for, midfielders who are complete and we try to develop that in our midfield.
It's a balance between with how many you commit forward and how you defend because one little mistake and there’s a counter attack towards you.
Overarching philosophy… I don’t sit here and claim and talk... football is a simple game and it's about making good decisions and being in a team.
Sometimes we look too much into the all intricacies and it’s passion, it's desire - who wants to win the ball? Which one of the striker has the desire to get on the end of crosses?
You can talk about all sorts, it looks nice on paper. But when you go out on that pitch, it's who wants to win, that’s one of the big things. You want winners and I think I’m getting there with my team, team players."
What? We play long-ball defensive crap. We play attacking football 20% of the time at best.I'd rather have "PE teacher" Solskjaer who delivers entertaining attacking football 80% of the time, than a LVG who pontificates about philosophy but delivers tumescent football.
Wouldn't we all.. but instead we have overly defensive, counterattacking SolskjaerI'd rather have "PE teacher" Solskjaer who delivers entertaining attacking football 80% of the time, than a LVG who pontificates about philosophy but delivers tumescent football.
No one is asking for the type of detail Koop, Pep or Tuchel get into...and no one really wanted him to whip out an iPad and start lecturing on phases of play or counter pressing! Fans just wanted some sort of reassurance that what they were seeing EVERY WEEK...with their own eyes...not through the lens of new age hipster pundits..this slow, tumescent, patternless movement and build up, was actually intended and was going to speed up and click at some point. Instead, they got a Hail Mary about desire and wanting it more! It was ridiculous.He is just not as detail oriented as Pep or Tuchel. So he is not going to claim to be something he is not.
Neither are Ancelotti or Zidane btw, those two also don’t go into as much detail about tactics, still they are excellent and very successful managers.
Not every cub has to like every manager.
Bayern for example wouldn’t touch Ancelotti again, whereas RM have re-hired him.
Whereas someone like Mourinho is so detail oriented that he can even control a player’s brain. Look how that worked out.
The talking on the pitch is relevant and that’s where he needs to improve on last season, not in the press or in tactic discussions.
Its hilarious really. This isn't going to end well if we don't win PL/CL this year. He's got the best team in the league at his disposal, all this talk of CDM is rubbish. So much talent and his answer is 'heart', 'passion' and 'desire'.No one is asking for the type of detail Koop, Pep or Tuchel get into...and no one really wanted him to whip out an iPad and start lecturing on phases of play or counter pressing! Fans just wanted some sort of reassurance that what they were seeing EVERY WEEK...with their own eyes...not through the lens of new age hipster pundits..this slow, tumescent, patternless movement and build up, was actually intended and was going to speed up and click at some point. Instead, they got a Hail Mary about desire and wanting it more! It was ridiculous.
Yes, I agree. Individual blunder can change the game. But for a manager good tactical changes is a credit that keeps building over the years. Even Pep or Klopp make tactical blunders sometimes. But it is forgivable because they have lots of credit of getting it right most of the times. Problem with Ole is that he doesn't have that credit even after 2 full years at United. So his tactical blunders keep piling on. Be it keeping Fred in CL match even after knowing he was walking on thin ice, or not sending Henderson in the pen shootout, or using subs too late in the game and most recently baffling changes after going one man down.I agree with the most but the actually trophy winning in cup competitions - it's coming down to fine details and one individual horrible blunder can lose a brilliant side the win. But in terms of squad depth we must be up there with Chelsea and City atm to go for the Premier League trophy hunt.
He hasn't got any excuses now he has the players he wanted and now he has to deliver. He didn't want a CDM this summer as he said himself and now he has to make it work with the current midfielders he has.Its hilarious really. This isn't going to end well if we don't win PL/CL this year. He's got the best team in the league at his disposal, all this talk of CDM is rubbish. So much talent and his answer is 'heart', 'passion' and 'desire'.
Did everyone expect a Ted talk from him regarding our system?
It was question from a Pre match press conference.
Now people are posting lengthy interviews with Pep and Tuchel in comparison
Jesus wept
Can't tell sarcasm around these parts anymore... we have the most goals in the leagueWouldn't we all.. but instead we have overly defensive, counterattacking Solskjaer
After 4 games. Leeds & Newcastle did everything they could to help that too.Can't tell sarcasm around these parts anymore... we have the most goals in the league
Harsh on Dyche and Sam because they have a clear philosophy and buy players to fit it, even if people don't like the style. Ole is just espousing the 'better players than everyone else' philosophy or as Roy Keane framed it in a recent interview 'I just need a good group of lads'. The problem in the Premier League in 2021 is that you can get that 'good group of lads' but there are at least 3 other sides with a 'good group of lads' and they also have managers that are tactically superior.Straight from the Big Sam & Sean Dyche book of football secrets that line , jesus
I appreciate the sentiment but that will only ever get you so far, if our tactics is passion and vibes then were in trouble
Yeah on paper. But if you take away penalties, individual brilliance, set pieces, goals from transitions, goals from long balls and goals from Jesse Lingard who shouldn’t even be at the club how many goals have we actually scored?Can't tell sarcasm around these parts anymore... we have the most goals in the league
I mean, it's not surprising when you look at their managerial careers.Who, out of our greater players during Sir Alex's reign, went on to become good tactical managers? It's all "you've got to want it more than them" rather than any of them coaching their teams to play good stuff.I was watching Garry Neville's interview of Roy Keane recently and there was a point when they both laughed at the "philosophy" aspect of football. Both seemed rather dismissive of it.
Very narrow minded view from them imo and generally from people who dismiss modern coaches as "hipster" or some other silly word.
Having the means to make your team work hard, press and move well is equally important as "recruitment".
Stuck in the past used to be the scousers way. How the turntables
Yeah very well said. Gary Neville talking about managerial skills and what it takes to be a successful one is really stuff of dreams, I can’t even name a bigger failure and embarrassment than him at Valencia, he really shouldn’t be having this conversations. Then again, was SAF really all about “go with passion, do the good stuff on the pitch, fight for every ball”? I just can’t believe that, it’s been many many year but there was some plan to our games back in the day, right?I mean, it's not surprising when you look at their managerial careers.Who, out of our greater players during Sir Alex's reign, went on to become good tactical managers? It's all "you've got to want it more than them" rather than any of them coaching their teams to play good stuff.
These comments from Ole are worrying.
is it not exhausting being as miserable of a human as you are, i constantly see you post the same crap all the time on this forum, you do not agree with an opinion of someone therefor they are in your eyes a shitposter, take a break grandadIt's not a sentiment. It takes all of 5 seconds to figure out he doesn't want to discuss tactics in public. I'm sure that'll be translated as he doesn't have any tactics though. Usual shit from the usual shit posters.
-1Yeah on paper. But if you take away penalties, individual brilliance, set pieces, goals from transitions, goals from long balls and goals from Jesse Lingard who shouldn’t even be at the club how many goals have we actually scored?
Some just don't want to believe it, even though the guy is really honest. He's really saying the truth, his tactical game plan and philosophy are non existent and he doesn't hide from it, he knows quite well his football is all about "desire" and "passion" and nothing else, and it's clear by just watching us whenever we're in a tough situation, but of course, for some here who couldn't stop debating otherwise, it's hard to believe so. They made their mind that Ole is a mastermind tactical genius and is just deflecting questions from the press because apparently his tactics we watch regularly are so complex to understand.Some of the Ole defenders are acting as if there are clear tactics visible in the game and it is only in press conference he is deflecting the question.
Again, it is quite possible that we have a good season, and I hope we have it, but time is running out for Ole. With all the players at his disposal, it is all about results now. No longer a work in progress project.
Of course there was a plan in Ferguson's day. It went through various stages from the classic 4-4-2 and wingplay to more continental styles, and towards the end it looked less cohesive but ultimately still achieved results. If it hadn't achieved results we'd be saying where is the style of play - it really just shows that the result is fundamental. That's why after every loss we see hysterical reactions.Yeah very well said. Gary Neville talking about managerial skills and what it takes to be a successful one is really stuff of dreams, I can’t even name a bigger failure and embarrassment than him at Valencia, he really shouldn’t be having this conversations. Then again, was SAF really all about “go with passion, do the good stuff on the pitch, fight for every ball”? I just can’t believe that, it’s been many many year but there was some plan to our games back in the day, right?