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Phil Jones | released summer 2023
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Really feel for him after seeing that video.
I always thought he was a good player when fit but was just never fit enough. It would be great if his recent surgery sees him being able to play regularly (Either at United or somewhere else).
I always thought he was a good player when fit but was just never fit enough. It would be great if his recent surgery sees him being able to play regularly (Either at United or somewhere else).
Yeah but he's got money so you're not allowed to, apparently.
Again, pure hyperbolic nonsense, coming from people that see any criticism towards Phil Jones as "abuse". As I said before, you lot love your temper tantrums and selective emotional outbreaks.
I mean I literally only said the extent of his injuries are why I feel sorry for him and you came in with all this.
I've never said he hasn't played crap. But you can't really criticize him for anything except his injury, since he hasn't in a long time. I just don't think it's great to constantly talk shit about him because it fuels other people's anger and he ends up getting approached in the street and shouted at (like he mentioned in the article).
Well, everything you mentioned is part of the job and part of becoming a celebrity/well-known football player. You might get worshipped on the streets if you become a legendary player or you might get some nasty comments.
It comes with the territory and part of the reason why this job at the highest levels pays players millions. I know you and some other posters like to disregard the financial part, but the high stakes and pressure is literally why the wages are so high.
I'm not condoning people getting abused on the street, my point is that I'm not a fan of the sympathy-fest we are seeing in Phil Jones related threads. I've seen enough to know that we've had players be abused by our own fans, some even worse than Jones, whilst they actually contributed and gave their all, without destroying their own bodies due to their own stupidity.
Agree to disagree then. I think he deserves sympathy.
It was actually but i couldn’t get it at the time so came up with this!
Here we go, back to referring to money again. It bears no relevance to how he plays, or how he played.
It was a good explanation for sure. I have had a small part of my meniscus removed due to a tear (much more common), and I know the impact of that, so removing the whole meniscus... it's pretty astonishing he could play at all after that.
The microfracture stuff can really work... it might even help him regenerate a significant amount of the cartilage he has lost... perhaps even avoid arthritis, though obviously the risk there is very high.
Love it mate!
This is the utter rubbish that leads directly to 'fans' thinking they're entitled to accost a player in the street and verbally abuse them in front of their kids.
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Both of you can stop with your game for sympathy points. You've got 0 counter-arguments, as usual, just the same old crap about "abuse".
Sorry but that part about it all coming with the territory cause he's paid millions is just dead wrong. So he's paid millions so he should put up with abusing on the street? How much money is a margin where you can be abused in the street and think to yourself oh I have money so it's all good?
Also there's no sympathy fest, just cause other players were abused too it doesnt mean fans shouldnt show sympathy for Jones. And as someone responded to you already, yeah some players were abused and those same players were defended by United fans in the same time.
Also could you explain the 'destroying their own bodies due to stupidity'?
Jones destroyed his cause he was stupid according to you or I misunderstood this?
Do I get a sympathy point for this, pretty please?
Is there anywhere we can cash in these sympathy points?
I’m not playing a game so stop with that nonsense too.
If anything you’re bringing up salary to justify why you don’t like s a player
It's amazing that people think there shouldn't be any sympathy for Jones.
He’s a millionaire don’t you get it! Off with his head!
Can't wait to see someone calling you and others as PR guys for Jones or fell for his PR gimmicks.
You don't really think Phil Jones injury problems are caused by him jumping into tackles do you?
I hope they do. Im starting to feel like how a RAWK mod must feel (shudders). I can’t believe the coldness (or stupidity.. still trying to decide) from some of our fan base
I am assuming you are addressing me like a dick because you referred yourself as a plastic earlier in this discussion and somehow thats my doing.
Anyway
Jones had meniscus weakness when he was a kid in Blackburns academy and thats when it was first identified.
Quote from the recent article
"The truth is that Jones, 29, has been fighting the same debilitating injury that put Ole Gunnar Solskjaer out for three years as a player. It is severe meniscal damage, and his is to the lateral meniscus of his right knee. The issue first arose when he was an academy player with Blackburn Rovers and flared up at the start of his second season with United. He was 20, had just been to Euro 2012 with England and was being fêted, with Sir Bobby Charlton comparing him to Duncan Edwards.
He had surgery. Upon coming round, the surgeon bleakly explained that he had removed the meniscus — it was just not reparable. That left Jones with bone crunching against bone inside the joint. Linear movement was always OK but sideways impact often caused pain. Still, things were manageable until 2016, and the start of José Mourinho’s first campaign as United manager. “I’d get swelling after training. You’d lay a ball off and any resistance against the knee was just agony. The merest nudge,” Jones says"
but you go ahead and continue to passively aggressively attack the players if thats what makes you happy kid.
The only really curious thing about this, IMO, is it took so long for either Jones or the club to explain anything at all about his injuries. So much so that even I started to wonder if the injuries keeping him out last year were partly a bit of cover for him being so down the pecking order. That is very clearly not the case. I think a lot of United fans (not all) would have been much more sympathetic towards him had they known about all the operations.
You win guys, the warning really did show me how amazing your arguments were. Nice to see the letter of the law being followed on the Caf. All the best to everyone involved.
Have to respect Ole's decision to extend his contract tbh.
Terrible decision from a business sense, but just imagine what it would have felt like going through that for the player and then losing your job in the middle of it.
I don't believe Phil Jones has a future here, and he may not play many more games going forward and beyond a throwayway match for sentiment I don't really want to see him play, but Ole and the club's decision to keep him may have just saved the guys career in football.
Terrible decision from a business sense, but just imagine what it would have felt like going through that for the player and then losing your job in the middle of it.
I don't believe Phil Jones has a future here, and he may not play many more games going forward and beyond a throwayway match for sentiment I don't really want to see him play, but Ole and the club's decision to keep him may have just saved the guys career in football.
Are they required to share their personal health information with the world, though? Honest question.
Yeah that’s a bit strange.
I've eluded to this exact point a few times in the past, the fact they haven't talked about the issue for so long has led many to come to their own conclusions and has certainly allowed some fan opinion of the player to sour. imo.
Its a quality warning. We do it when people are posting shite.
Can you draw a direct line between his "brain-dead style of play" and individual injuries?And you don't think his braindead style of defending was part of the problem? Jones is a reckless player that caused most of his own problems himself. Stop rewriting history with this pseudo-sentimental bullshit.
It would be hilarious if Jones started playing more regularly though, whilst VDB stays on the bench the whole season again.
I always admired Phil's bravery. He wasn't hesitant to put his head in where it would get hurt. Some will see this as foolhardy and perhaps the fact that he ended up being injured would confirm this.
I would be delighted to see him make a recovery of his health and his career. Only time will tell if he has the time and the ability to achieve this. Best wishes.
I would be delighted to see him make a recovery of his health and his career. Only time will tell if he has the time and the ability to achieve this. Best wishes.
Phil has in fact been reckless on the pitch. There’s bravery in the tackle and there’s recklessness. Phil can be praised for the former but is also guilty of the latter.
Whether his recklessness led to his knee injury I have no idea, but I hope for his sake he’s purged recklessness out of his game.
Whether his recklessness led to his knee injury I have no idea, but I hope for his sake he’s purged recklessness out of his game.
Huh? We extended his contract before this injury that's kept him out for almost 2 years.
How does spending 20m in a player that cannot play makes any sense?
It was a terrible decision, no way around it.
Well did it or didn't it? Either it did, and someone can draw a line to it, or it didn't and it's something never worth speaking of again.
Feel free to criticise his lack of grace as a defender but let's all quit with the not-so-subtle hints that Phil Jones had his injuries coming to him.
The lunge on Rob Lee aside, I see little similarity between Jones and Solskjær's play, yet it's the same injury that cruelly took them both out for a long period of their careers.
Nobody has this coming.
It doesn't, which is exactly what I said.
No of course not, and I assume the player himself didn't want to talk about it, which is of course absolutely fair enough, but probably a misjudgement.
Still banging this drum? It’s already been said that he got his contract before this long term injury
Pages and pages of morality debate in a transfer thread is a bit odd, basically the money argument is 2 different things, on one side no matter how rich you are it doesn't make you immune to injury and illness, nor depression, look at Robin Williams, and it doesn't give anybody the right to abuse the person on the street. The other side about him looking after his financial future is also grossly melodramatic, he's not equivacle to a Caf poster and their finances, he's been here a decade and could never work another day and still live in a nice house with a couple of nice cars and get his kids the best educations.
The bottom line is he's fighting to play again, whether this becomes a reality for him who knows, my feeling is that if he can stay fit for the next few months a transfer could well be on the cards so he can enjoy a few more sessons playing regularly, like Fletcher did after his long illness lay-off.
The bottom line is he's fighting to play again, whether this becomes a reality for him who knows, my feeling is that if he can stay fit for the next few months a transfer could well be on the cards so he can enjoy a few more sessons playing regularly, like Fletcher did after his long illness lay-off.
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