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They could have been more firm with him as it was light rain when he told them to shut up to be fair, they could have told him worse was to come but it was a tough call, by the time Hamilton finished the rain had stopped :(
Quite agree with you. Both McLaren and Lando Norris will learn from this.
 

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bingo.

mercedes gave their driver the right info, mclaren took a risk hoping it wouldn’t get worse and it didn’t pay off. if lando knew it would get heavier do you really think he’s staying out? not a chance.

people like to comment on this sport but the majority just don’t have a clue
Yeah and you can't even blame McLaren too much for taking a gamble by leaving it up to Norris. They had a lot less to lose.

Mercedes are in the position where their driver and constructor rivals are way behind them on track. So playing it safe to secure the points is always going to be the right call and a very easy call.
 

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Yeah and you can't even blame McLaren too much for taking a gamble by leaving it up to Norris. They had a lot less to lose.

Mercedes are in the position where their driver and constructor rivals are way behind them on track. So playing it safe to secure the points is always going to be the right call and a very easy call.
there is literally no way to predict the rain will get heavier in 3 laps. on another day the rain stays light like it was, norris keeps going and wins at a canter.

if ham stayed out 1 more lap he’d be in the same situation and verstappen wins, then everybody laughs at mercedes.

it was an informed but mainly lucky decision based on him only ever going to end up 2nd.
 

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Oh Jesus. People are using Lando going from a 1 second lead to a 2 second lead over the space of a few wet corners to diminish Hamilton’s ability in the rain.

Just when you think you’ve read it all.
 

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Out of the remaining tracks, does anyone know which ones will favour Mercedes and which ones Red Bull?
Mexico and Brazil are usually good tracks for Red Bull.

Red Bull usually finish the season with wins, but how much has that been down to Mercedes and Hamilton already having the title win sewn up? Guess we'll find out.
 

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there is literally no way to predict the rain will get heavier in 3 laps. on another day the rain stays light like it was, norris keeps going and wins at a canter.

if ham stayed out 1 more lap he’d be in the same situation and verstappen wins, then everybody laughs at mercedes.

it was an informed but mainly lucky decision based on him only ever going to end up 2nd.
Well there obviously is, we have tons of weather prediction technology available nowadays, this is a strange line of attack.

Everyone who benefitted from the rain was lucky, rather than just Hamilton. The ultimate beneficiary of the rain was Max, for whom the rain has probably sealed the title.
 

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Oh Jesus. People are using Lando going from a 1 second lead to a 2 second lead over the space of a few wet corners to diminish Hamilton’s ability in the rain.

Just when you think you’ve read it all.
Yeah it's crazy, scraping the barrel for sticks to beat Lewis with.
 

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Fanboy WTF are you on about.
But if it makes you feel better you carry on.
Fanboy comments are making this thread fecking unbearable can't give a comment with bring called one.
Why do you care about what others think or even post.
Very few truly understand the dynamics of F1, including me. But that is not the point of an open forum.
We are all entitled to have an opinion. As long as you are happy with what you post, then what the hell.
 

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Well there obviously is, we have tons of weather prediction technology available nowadays, this is a strange line of attack.

Everyone who benefitted from the rain was lucky, rather than just Hamilton. The ultimate beneficiary of the rain was Max, for whom the rain has probably sealed the title.
Agreed Max is the big winner today, I had him in the points but may 5th at best.
 

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Oh Jesus. People are using Lando going from a 1 second lead to a 2 second lead over the space of a few wet corners to diminish Hamilton’s ability in the rain.

Just when you think you’ve read it all.
read it properly.

some smart ass said hamilton handled the rain better even though he lost time.

we all know hamilton is good in the rain but norris deserves credit. he didn’t lose this because he’s bad in the rain - if anything he was too good today.
Well there obviously is, we have tons of weather prediction technology available nowadays, this is a strange line of attack.

Everyone who benefitted from the rain was lucky, rather than just Hamilton. The ultimate beneficiary of the rain was Max, for whom the rain has probably sealed the title.
maybe, im no weatherman.

the point is though it was always a much easier decision for mercedes being 2nd. they pitted as he couldn’t get passed him on track, so cemented their 2nd place just in case.

it just so happened that it got a lot heavier literally that lap.

No idea why some donuts in this thread are trying to blame the driver in that situation.
 

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Why do you care about what others think or even post.
Very few truly understand the dynamics of F1, including me. But that is not the point of an open forum.
We are all entitled to have an opinion. As long as you are happy with what you post, then what the hell.
Yeap far point, I don't normally and on the whole kept out of the bickering this season
 

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read it properly.

some smart ass said hamilton handled the rain better even though he lost time.
Define handled the rain. I guess decision making and keeping your head is a huge part of driving in the rain, but in terms of actual driving skill, it’s impossible to tell over that short of a distance.
 

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Lando brave facing the media but his face looks like he’s about to cry.
 

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no, what you said was hamilton handled it better when that clearly isn’t true. he took less risks and lost time on norris.

if he was so much better in the rain why didn’t he pass him?
Because the crucial part is securing the points safely. There's literally no point in keeping so close to Norris in the rain when all it takes is a bad slip and your race could be over.

being fast is not all it takes for race craft.
 

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Well there obviously is, we have tons of weather prediction technology available nowadays, this is a strange line of attack.

Everyone who benefitted from the rain was lucky, rather than just Hamilton. The ultimate beneficiary of the rain was Max, for whom the rain has probably sealed the title.
Eh? :confused:
 

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Wow toxic thread.

Anyway, feel gutted for Lando I really do. His personality probably 2nd to none on the grid and always has a smile on his face. Think just his lack of experience cost him the win today. Much as I'm glad Hammy won I still feel for Lando. He'll learn a lot from it though.
 

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The Red Bull is the faster car, and is coming up to a run of tracks that favour it. Hamilton may have had a chance before the rain as Max's ceiling was 7th, but Max is gonna win most of tbf upcoming races quite handily.
 

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Define handled the rain. I guess decision making and keeping your head is a huge part of driving in the rain, but in terms of actual driving skill, it’s impossible to tell over that short of a distance.
ask paul? i’m not the one making the statement.
Because the crucial part is securing the points safely. There's literally no point in keeping so close to Norris in the rain when all it takes is a bad slip and your race could be over.

being fast is not all it takes for race craft.
sure they could have easily settled for 2nd, but he was going for the win clearly, there’s a big difference.

Hamilton himself just said he’d do the same thing, he didn’t want to come in but the team told him heavy rain. mclaren didn’t tell norris.

3 laps to go with slight rain, he was easily going to win. the team gambled and it didn’t pay off.
 

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read it properly.

some smart ass said hamilton handled the rain better even though he lost time.

we all know hamilton is good in the rain but norris deserves credit. he didn’t lose this because he’s bad in the rain - if anything he was too good today.

maybe, im no weatherman.

the point is though it was always a much easier decision for mercedes being 2nd. they pitted as he couldn’t get passed him on track, so cemented their 2nd place just in case.

it just so happened that it got a lot heavier literally that lap.

No idea why some donuts in this thread are trying to blame the driver in that situation.
Norris has to take some fault, for ignoring the call, but Mercedes definitely communicated the upcoming rain much better than Mclaren did.

It's one of those unfortunate things, he'll learn and hopefully come back to get the win his ability merits.
 

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Out of the remaining tracks, does anyone know which ones will favour Mercedes and which ones Red Bull?
As others have said, Mexico and Brazil are gimmies for Red Bull (think Austria), they're likely faster in Turkey as well, looked faster than Mercedes in Abu Dhabi last year - though Abu Dhabi is usually a Merc track. US might be a toss up but last time we had a competitive championship Mercedes were the 3rd fastest team there. That leaves Saudi Arabia and possibly Qatar and don't know much about either track - Saudi Arabia has been described as a fast street track so probably Red Bull but it might not be as one-sided as Monaco. Gonna be very tricky for Hamilton to win from here with only a 2 point cushion but this season has been batshit so far so god knows.
For a long time, I still don't think it's close to the spygate year thread that got bad.
Jesus, I can imagine that was toxic as hell. Guessing it was as bad as basically any thread in the United forum right now.

Think that was the first enjoyable race at this track.
 

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Norris has to take some fault, for ignoring the call, but Mercedes definitely communicated the upcoming rain much better than Mclaren did.

It's one of those unfortunate things, he'll learn and hopefully come back to get the win his ability merits.
yet again, he ignored it as he was happy with the situation. they didn’t tell him heavier rain was coming.

hamilton also ignored it as he was happy with the situation. the team then told him heavier rain was coming so he boxed.

can you see the small difference? this isn’t on the drivers.
 

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yet again, he ignored it as he was happy with the situation. they didn’t tell him heavier rain was coming.

hamilton also ignored it as he was happy with the situation. the team then told him heavier rain was coming so he boxed.

can you see the small difference? this isn’t on the drivers.
I did not know Lewis also ignored and the team told him to come in, did not see or hear it must have missed that bit.
OK down to McLaren, should have told him yo come in.
Makes my critique of Norris a bit harsh.
 

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I did not know Lewis also ignored and the team told him to come in, did not see or hear it must have missed that bit.
OK down to McLaren, should have told him yo come in.
Makes my critique of Norris a bit harsh.
He was told to come in a lap earlier but he ignored them when he saw Lando wasn't going in.
 

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ask paul? i’m not the one making the statement.

sure they could have easily settled for 2nd, but he was going for the win clearly, there’s a big difference.

Hamilton himself just said he’d do the same thing, he didn’t want to come in but the team told him heavy rain. mclaren didn’t tell norris.

3 laps to go with slight rain, he was easily going to win. the team gambled and it didn’t pay off.
There's a lot of difference between keeping it safe and not going for the win.

He trusted that Lando would screw up eventually and all he needed was to be within position. All that talk about Lando extending the lead in the rain is bollocks because Lando was trying to push in the rain despite having the wrong tires. That's not race craft, that's stupidity. Unless the rain stopped, the situation would only get worse for Lando.
 

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How F1 would it be to change the regulations just as we have competitive cars, and then end up with one team miles ahead next year.
 

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There's a lot of difference between keeping it safe and not going for the win.

He trusted that Lando would screw up eventually and all he needed was to be within position. All that talk about Lando extending the lead in the rain is bollocks because Lando was trying to push in the rain despite having the wrong tires. That's not race craft, that's stupidity. Unless the rain stopped, the situation would only get worse for Lando.
you’re not looking at this from a racing perspective, purely a hamilton. no point talking to people that are so single minded.

at least paul is big enough to admit when he’s wrong.
 

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you’re not looking at this from a racing perspective, purely a hamilton. no point talking to people that are so single minded.

at least paul is big enough to admit when he’s wrong.
You can’t just dismiss other peoples opinions as wrong because they’re ‘Lewis fans’ or ‘fanboys’. That’s ridiculous.

Lando and Mclaren lost themselves the win today by not coming in. Both are to blame. Lando should’ve listened. Mclaren should’ve insisted.

Lewis also ignored, but merc insisted and he obliged. That won him the race.

Max and RedBull had very little to lose from 7th and it all to gain and they did just that. Fantastic from them to get in early and it really paid off.

@ArjenIsM3 as a max fan I think you’re probably naturally pessimistic about him winning the title and you’re right, the poster was wrong to say it’s all over, but that is huge for max today. He was probably expecting to drop 15-20 points to Lewis today and dropped 7. With the races coming up, the power of the car and the fact Lewis will take a penalty at some point, max has to be seen as title favourite. A title he should win anyway as he’s been the best driver in the best car this season