We are an awfully coached team

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

You can't say that we are poor because we score more than expected goals state, yet on the other hand say we are poorly coached because we rely heavily on individual brilliance.

These two things don't contradict each other at all.

We score more than expected goals because our expected goals are (and have been, for years now) far too low for a team with the squad we have. Which is because none of the managers have managed to implement a reliable attacking structure.

 

[NZT-One]

To many people wanting to have their cake and eat it on here.
You can't say that we are poor because we score more than expected goals state, yet on the other hand say we are poorly coached because we rely heavily on individual brilliance.
Surely players producing moments of quality shows that they are being coached in the right way?

To answer your question: Yes, that can be true, but is doesn't have to be. As someone said, you don't train Ronaldo to do a fancy flick to then be able to a have free shot on goal. Of course, these things are intertwined on several levels but I think, you are clinging too much on this term "moments of brilliance".

When that term is used, it doesn't necessarily refer to brilliance or excellence or high quality. It is more in contrast to "a well worked goal where a team does a chain of actions to end up with a high scoring chance".
"Moments of brilliance" or "individual brilliance" are more meant to emphasize the "coincidence" or "fate" factor in a goal. It is tricky to describe and I think, the term is a bit misleading in itself but for me, the difference is this: when I sit in front of the TV and I feel the pressure is rising, somebody has overcome the press, now he's executing a through ball to release a winger in space without a defender in front of him and in the middle the striker has started to move into the box, I am getting tense, I can't sit relaxed but will go closer to the screen. This is what I would describe as a "well worked goal" where players took smart decisions and executed a plan. On the contrary is for example Greenwood dribbling close to a packed penalty box, shooting with a low scoring chance, the keeper can't get a hold and Ronaldo takes the rebound.

Individual brilliance isn't necessarily great play or a great piece of skill - it might be just making use of an opportunity resulting from a mistake. Of course no trainer will stop his player do that stuff. But if you are mostly reliant on scoring rebounds, deflections, 30yard screamer, direct freekicks, flying header, goal keeper blunder, VAR decisions (not saying we are relying on that right now), than at some point it will cause you some issues. Any team makes use of these things, they belong to the sport and are part of the highlight reels. And nobody wants United to stop scoring such goals. But, our opponents score other goals as well. Set pieces, tap-ins, third man runs and so on. I am not saying we don't do that occasionally from time to time but the feeling is, that while other teams rely on individual brilliance to 70%, we do to 90%. Which gives us some disadvantages at the end of the day.

 

[Lentwood]

The 2nd Arsenal goal vs Spurs this afternoon is a classic example of what I was talking about earlier - luring the opposition in, beating their press and then when the cutback is made by ESR, Arsenal have an overload in the middle and Aubameyang tucks it away.

We seem to really struggle to draw teams out. I think this is because Maguire and Varane (correctly) don't trust Fred and McTominay.

How many games do we see where 7/8 red shirts smash against a wall of defensive players over and over again, without really creating anything? It's because we're not drawing opponents out from their comfort of "defending deep and in numbers" approach

 

[pseudo_canadian]

We often look like a bunch of strangers playing together. The amount of simple passes that we don't seem to be able to make is staggering. Players don't often seem to be where the others expect. There's just such a disconnect so often. We're not a cohesive unit.

This has been my biggest gripe with this team for a long time. It’s 10 players seemingly doing their own thing. There doesn’t seem to be an overall strategy of how they align all together and move as a unit. Always disjointed and relying on random individual moments to make the difference.

I’m not sure how this is fixed, but whatever Ole gives as instructions/directions clearly doesn’t work and/or the players aren’t listening to him.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

We have been poorly coached for such a long time now I think a lot of people are just used to the way we play. It goes all the way back to the last few seasons under Fergie who relied on the players ‘turning it on’ instead of a well drilled unit approach.

The issue is this is now the ’United Way’, either a lot of slow ponderous build up play going nowhere or hitting teams on the counter. We hardly ever play the same combinations to a high standard to get through the press. I’d say we must be one of if not the worst passing team in the PL.

When we do get a new manager he really does need to be more progressive and implement actual systems of play as we’ll not win the big trophies carrying on as we are in my opinion.

 

[NZT-One]

The 2nd Arsenal goal vs Spurs this afternoon is a classic example of what I was talking about earlier - luring the opposition in, beating their press and then when the cutback is made by ESR, Arsenal have an overload in the middle and Aubameyang tucks it away.

We seem to really struggle to draw teams out. I think this is because Maguire and Varane (correctly) don't trust Fred and McTominay.

How many games do we see where 7/8 red shirts smash against a wall of defensive players over and over again, without really creating anything? It's because we're not drawing opponents out from their comfort of "defending deep and in numbers" approach

That is in interesting way of thinking and granted, yesterday we most definitely should have done that. But generally, I think, that description of the situation is a bit too simplistic. The opponent will do, what they think serves the biggest likelihood of getting a result. If that means surrendering the ball to us and wait for good counterchances, then you most certainly won't be able to lure somebody away. So the only real way of getting "robust" in terms of consistently winning games is a) being comfortable without the ball because you are selfassured to win it if necessary and to be dangerous on transitions and b) being comfortable in possession to control a match and its tempo.

Thats where we are right now, we have to add possession game to our arsenal, doesn't have to be tiki-taka or even LVG but remember Fergie, his teams were well able to recycle the ball and keep it if necessary.

Fred and McTominay certainly are factors to keep in mind, but they are most certainly not the most important or striking ones. Being closer together as team, move as a team. Nothing to do with McFred. Challenge an organised defense by moving the ball fast around to try to force errors or to increase tempo with one blink of an eye to break the organisation. Have some players who are comfortable dribblers to use that to break organisation because two defenders are needed to defend a good dribbler which then will create space somewhere on the pitch. We have to start really challenging other teams. And to increase pressure when needed. Yesterday was the epitome of what not to do. Hit and hope, nobody knows what to do, a few players don't want to be criticised, so they become invisible (yes, looking at you Scott... but Shaw is capable of that just as well). Other players think, they have the obligation to force something so they become impatient and tense and at the end of the day, they shoot from anywhere while knowing, that this isn't the best way forward. It was kind of heartbreaking...

We don't have to be perfect with posession - I know, Fergie was best known for his devastating transition football. Attack in waves. Increase the pressure when needed, soak up pressure into oblivion when needed. But Fergie had possession on a good level as one weapon available. And Ole needs to add that too. Our issues with low blocks and in general come from the fact that we move too slow, with and without the ball, we aren't compact which makes every pass a little more difficult to execute, we seemingly aren't great in pre-planned moves which would result in us being able to act faster because players would already know where team mates are and which action is to be executed now instead of needing the control the ball first to be able to do anything and then to look which option is the least bad one.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

we seemingly aren't great in pre-planned moves which would result in us being able to act faster because players would already know where team mates are and which action is to be executed now instead of needing the control the ball first to be able to do anything and then to look which option is the least bad one.

And the most effective pre-planned moves (patterns, if the people triggered by that particular word will forgive the usage) that we do have are all based on quick transitions: Fernandes's no-look first time through ball on the turn when he knows Rashford/Greenwood will be running in behind, or Pogba's similar ball over the top.

When the other team's defence is settled, we tend to take too long to shift the ball around. And we don't use the full width of the pitch, because the vast majority of our forwards want to play in the same space on the left side.

And this particular problem of abandoning one half of the pitch predates Solskjaer by years: I'd say the last time we had a functional attack down the right wing was when Van Gaal briefly stumbled upon that 4-3-3 in 2015, with Herrera on the right of the midfield three, Valencia at right back and Mata floating around as the nominal right winger. No coincidence that was the most fluent football we played under him.

 

[Greck]

The 2nd Arsenal goal vs Spurs this afternoon is a classic example of what I was talking about earlier - luring the opposition in, beating their press and then when the cutback is made by ESR, Arsenal have an overload in the middle and Aubameyang tucks it away.

We seem to really struggle to draw teams out. I think this is because Maguire and Varane (correctly) don't trust Fred and McTominay.

How many games do we see where 7/8 red shirts smash against a wall of defensive players over and over again, without really creating anything? It's because we're not drawing opponents out from their comfort of "defending deep and in numbers" approach

You don't have to describe it, it's already obvious what patterns refer to. Some people just call it a myth to be deliberately obtuse. They know what they see when they tune in to a City game for instance. It's kinda hard to miss the premeditation in the way well setup teams play.

 

[largelyworried]

I can get on-board with that in general, but to what extent do you think its down to tactics, and to what extent do you think it's down to the lack of technical ability from our two CMs?

I'm starting to think this season is going to be a write-off if we stick with McFred, so we might as well try something different. Could we try Pogba and dvdB/Matic at CM (especially at home) and have Fernandes as the #10?

I'm worried all this talk about how many shots we are having is a Red Herring, because we're not really creating chances

Tactics and personnel go hand in hand. You pick your players to suit your tactics or your tactics to suit your players. Ole is doing neither right now. He hasn't upgraded the midfield since he arrived. We're at a point now where that's his responsibility. In his first summer window, I get that he had to prioritise & the defence was a good place to start, but we've just gone past his third summer window. Given how crucial midfield is, and the known limitations of McFred, its not some unforeseeable problem. It was a decision to go into the season with them again.

So we have to play in a way that accommodates them, but when he does play McFred his tactics do them no favours. We increasingly look like a 4-2-4 when we attack, leaving McT and Fred to do it all alone in the middle. If you give those two a zone outside our own box, ask them to firefight and hand off the ball with a short pass to a playmaker, occasionally overload an attack, they'll do a decent job for you. But we're asking them to run the entire midfield by themselves. Bruno is allowed to play like a second striker in attack and Pogba goes where he thinks he can make a chance. So McFred are left to do the DM stuff, but also to dictate the team's tempo, keep control of the ball through possession, as well as feeding the strikeforce with long passes into attacking areas. That's a total misreading of their strengths.

We either have to change how we play, or who we play. That was obvious throughout last season & it's still the same now. If Ole really feels like he wants to wait to get another MF in, then in the meantime we have to change our tactics and formation to cover McFred til that person arrives.

 

[Champ]

To answer your question: Yes, that can be true, but is doesn't have to be. As someone said, you don't train Ronaldo to do a fancy flick to then be able to a have free shot on goal. Of course, these things are intertwined on several levels but I think, you are clinging too much on this term "moments of brilliance".

When that term is used, it doesn't necessarily refer to brilliance or excellence or high quality. It is more in contrast to "a well worked goal where a team does a chain of actions to end up with a high scoring chance".
"Moments of brilliance" or "individual brilliance" are more meant to emphasize the "coincidence" or "fate" factor in a goal. It is tricky to describe and I think, the term is a bit misleading in itself but for me, the difference is this: when I sit in front of the TV and I feel the pressure is rising, somebody has overcome the press, now he's executing a through ball to release a winger in space without a defender in front of him and in the middle the striker has started to move into the box, I am getting tense, I can't sit relaxed but will go closer to the screen. This is what I would describe as a "well worked goal" where players took smart decisions and executed a plan. On the contrary is for example Greenwood dribbling close to a packed penalty box, shooting with a low scoring chance, the keeper can't get a hold and Ronaldo takes the rebound.

Individual brilliance isn't necessarily great play or a great piece of skill - it might be just making use of an opportunity resulting from a mistake. Of course no trainer will stop his player do that stuff. But if you are mostly reliant on scoring rebounds, deflections, 30yard screamer, direct freekicks, flying header, goal keeper blunder, VAR decisions (not saying we are relying on that right now), than at some point it will cause you some issues. Any team makes use of these things, they belong to the sport and are part of the highlight reels. And nobody wants United to stop scoring such goals. But, our opponents score other goals as well. Set pieces, tap-ins, third man runs and so on. I am not saying we don't do that occasionally from time to time but the feeling is, that while other teams rely on individual brilliance to 70%, we do to 90%. Which gives us some disadvantages at the end of the day.

This I'll give the time, as it's a decent post with very valid points, as opposed to the other posts too set in their ways.

I cannot deny that we do rely on our 'better' players to dig us out occasionally, but Newcastle, Leeds and West Ham we dominated the game by any metric you'd like to pick up on. The same can be said on a large proportion of our games last season, yet people set in their ways tend to come up with strange takes from games.

Yet these same people claim that the individual errors that lead to the goals we concede are because of our poor coaching, yet the 'individual brilliance' that scores us goals is not because of good coaching.

I doubt that Ole and McKenna etc is out there with Bruno teaching them 30 yard screamers, but I do believe they are out there showing them where they need to be on the pitch, in which case when they get the space for a 30 yard screamer as Bruno did against Newcastle it's probably because they trained to be in that position.
But again, people set in their ways tend to believe this not to be the case.

Talking of teams scoring tap ins, we have scored many of them in Oles reign, we don't rely on individual brilliance. And I disregard your thoughts that a tap in from a shot by an attacking player isnt a sign of good build up play, to me it's clear Greenwood has been coached to shoot whenever he gets an opportunity to do so, so to me us reaping the benefits of him shooting means he is listening and learning.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

The same can be said on a large proportion of our games last season,

It can't, though, or we would have ranked higher on the metrics the people apparently "set in their ways" have repeatedly brought up.

 

[Champ]

It can't, though, or we would have ranked higher on the metrics the people apparently "set in their ways" have repeatedly brought up.

Like what exactly?

 

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[NinjaZombie]

The 2nd Arsenal goal vs Spurs this afternoon is a classic example of what I was talking about earlier - luring the opposition in, beating their press and then when the cutback is made by ESR, Arsenal have an overload in the middle and Aubameyang tucks it away.

We seem to really struggle to draw teams out. I think this is because Maguire and Varane (correctly) don't trust Fred and McTominay.

How many games do we see where 7/8 red shirts smash against a wall of defensive players over and over again, without really creating anything? It's because we're not drawing opponents out from their comfort of "defending deep and in numbers" approach

We used to do this under Fergie. That's why we often times had less possession than the likes of Southampton while playing at home.

 

[stw2022]

Stop with Fergie comparisons. It’s like comparing Des Walker to Ronaldo by pointing to the fact Des also once failed to score against Aston Villa

 

[Robbie Boy]

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The absolute feck is that

 

[Greck]

We used to do this under Fergie. That's why we often times had less possession than the likes of Southampton while playing at home.

I don't know about that. Under SAF lesser teams played the entire game in their box at Old trafford. The one exception was the final season or two where he employed some really defensive tactics in the league but asided that many younger fans didn't even know what it was like to have a worse team have a go at us till Moyes came along and wrecked the fear factor. Having a go at us became a common phrase that season. The norm before that among lower to midtable teams was to park the bus when playing us.

 

[Foxbatt]

To answer your question: Yes, that can be true, but is doesn't have to be. As someone said, you don't train Ronaldo to do a fancy flick to then be able to a have free shot on goal. Of course, these things are intertwined on several levels but I think, you are clinging too much on this term "moments of brilliance".

When that term is used, it doesn't necessarily refer to brilliance or excellence or high quality. It is more in contrast to "a well worked goal where a team does a chain of actions to end up with a high scoring chance".
"Moments of brilliance" or "individual brilliance" are more meant to emphasize the "coincidence" or "fate" factor in a goal. It is tricky to describe and I think, the term is a bit misleading in itself but for me, the difference is this: when I sit in front of the TV and I feel the pressure is rising, somebody has overcome the press, now he's executing a through ball to release a winger in space without a defender in front of him and in the middle the striker has started to move into the box, I am getting tense, I can't sit relaxed but will go closer to the screen. This is what I would describe as a "well worked goal" where players took smart decisions and executed a plan. On the contrary is for example Greenwood dribbling close to a packed penalty box, shooting with a low scoring chance, the keeper can't get a hold and Ronaldo takes the rebound.

Individual brilliance isn't necessarily great play or a great piece of skill - it might be just making use of an opportunity resulting from a mistake. Of course no trainer will stop his player do that stuff. But if you are mostly reliant on scoring rebounds, deflections, 30yard screamer, direct freekicks, flying header, goal keeper blunder, VAR decisions (not saying we are relying on that right now), than at some point it will cause you some issues. Any team makes use of these things, they belong to the sport and are part of the highlight reels. And nobody wants United to stop scoring such goals. But, our opponents score other goals as well. Set pieces, tap-ins, third man runs and so on. I am not saying we don't do that occasionally from time to time but the feeling is, that while other teams rely on individual brilliance to 70%, we do to 90%. Which gives us some disadvantages at the end of the day.

Let me make it easy for you. . Maradona's goal vs England.Or the one Giggs scored in the FA Cup. Yes a lot of individual goals are not at that level but I agree with you that a well worked goal means a goal being scored after great passing movements. We usually do not score these kinds of goals.

 

[Foxbatt]

I don't know about that. Under SAF lesser teams played the entire game in their box at Old trafford. The one exception was the final season or two where he employed some really defensive tactics in the league but asided that many younger fans didn't even know what it was like to have a worse team have a go at us till Moyes came along and wrecked the fear factor. Having a go at us became a common phrase that season. The norm before that among lower to midtable teams was to park the bus when playing us.

Not only the bus. They would park their coach and the cars and we would still break them down. A couple of points. We had players up front who could hold the ball. We then played behind them who could open up defences. One of the reason is that we play high tempo and move the ball around. Everyone knew what they are supposed to do. If we break out it is rarely that they player who started the break out scores. He always passed it someone in a better position.

 

[Dominos]

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Neville: "they don't play well enough as a team to win the league. You need to be a unit in possession and out of possession. When you only deliver in moments, those moments won't go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, you need a way of playing."

 

[The Firestarter]

Spoiler: Video

Neville: "they don't play well enough as a team to win the league. You need to be a unit in possession and out of possession. When you only deliver in moments, those moments won't go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, you need a way of playing."

Oh noes did he really say the p of p words? Dead to me.

 

[Mickson]

Spoiler: Video

Neville: "they don't play well enough as a team to win the league. You need to be a unit in possession and out of possession. When you only deliver in moments, those moments won't go for you in certain games. You need patterns of play, you need a way of playing."

How's that possible? Patterns of play don't exist according to top reds.

 

[mav_9me]

Who knew Gary Neville was a "hipster"

 

[R'hllor]

Ah yes hipster, anyone remembers a thread from last season about how Ole is taking a dump on hipster managers in CL grp stage, that went well at the end.

 

[Foxbatt]

Basically he is saying what a lot of us have been saying here. We play as individuals and we would continue to win some games because of individual players. He also mentioned that Chelsea, City and Liverpool play as a team. Now after 2 and half years if we are unable to play as a team with those world class players then what on earth is going on?

 

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[nainaisson]

Ole should watch a few of Gary's games managing Valencia to learn what real top management looks like.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Ah yes hipster, anyone remembers a thread from last season about how Ole is taking a dump on hipster managers in CL grp stage, that went well at the end.

Did they change the dictionary definition for ‘hipster’ to mean good and talented or something? I feel like any alternative to OGS is either hipster or dinosaur to some people.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Ah yes hipster, anyone remembers a thread from last season about how Ole is taking a dump on hipster managers in CL grp stage, that went well at the end.

Ole winning against PSG & Leipzig isn’t really that surprising. His game is counter attack. That’s really all he knows how to coach. Both teams adapted for the return games & beat us. Plan B, Tuchel & Nagelsmann demonstrated it, Ole never has.

 

[mav_9me]

Ole should watch a few of Gary's games managing Valencia to learn what real top management looks like.

Another throwaway comment which brings nothing to the discussion.

Maybe Gary should watch your coaching clinics to understand football eh? See how useful that is.

 

[King Azaz the Unabridged]

Like what exactly?

We were fourth-best in the league in expected goals last season, sixth after removing penalties. We failed to score in 8 out of 38 games. 15 of our 73 goals came in 2 games. We won just over half our games, or three more games than the previous season (or two more than Moyes+Giggs, for reference). None of that suggests we dominated most games by any metric.

Like I said, these have all been discussed over and over in this thread by multiple people. Your last few posts tell me you've likely seen all this discussion but are choosing not to engage so you can just place every person criticizing the coaching in this thread in the same bucket of people "set in their ways" that aren't worth your time.

 

[Foxbatt]

Ole should watch a few of Gary's games managing Valencia to learn what real top management looks like.

Or Gary should have watched Cardiff so he would understand how not to manage a football club?

 

[Yagami]

The absolute feck is that

Yaya Touré’s secret Twitter account confirmed

 

[elmo]

Did they change the dictionary definition for ‘hipster’ to mean good and talented or something? I feel like any alternative to OGS is either hipster or dinosaur to some people.

I mean Sammsky was claiming Varane was one of those hipster defender compared to Maguire and Lindelof about 2 seasons back.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Patterns of play existence confirmed by Gary Neville.

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

The general consensus among a majority of us seems to be that we lack in the management/coaching department and that we should win the big trophies with the players we have.
Basically I agree with that, but I am not sure if we are not overrating our players a little bit.
Especially the balance of our squad does not seem right. Too many players who are too selfish or try too hard to play killer passes. I mean it is fine for our number 9 to try and shoot whenever there is a possibility but the others should concentrate more on keep the ball moving and work for the build-up.
On the other hand we got a bunch who seem a bit slow, do not have such a great first touch or are not as mobile as it might be necessary in the long run. Matic, Maguire, AWB, Fred, McTominay...
Not saying that they are bad, not at all. I just tend to think when I see all these players on the pitch together that I am not that surprised that we do not see that kind of fast and fluid football that is necessary to create enough clear cut chances.
This is further highlighted by the fact that our coaching prefers these kind of players. It almost seems as if players like Donny and Sancho have been brought in because they were integral parts of teams playing great and modern football, but Ole and Co do not really have an idea what to do with them. If Ole could swap them for Haaland and Kane he would immediately do it I am afraid...
Things got further complicated by the last minute signing of Ronaldo - something that judged seperately on its own is fantastic, but makes constructing the best starting 11 even more complicated. Especially for our coaching team who are just overwhelmed by the task at hand it seems.

 

[justsomebloke]

So far this PL season:

Goals scored: 13, tied for 2nd
xG: 11.44, 3rd
(fewest) Goals allowed: 5, tied for 5th
xGA: 6.81 (8th)
Points: 13, tied for 2nd
Mathematically projected points from record: 74
xPts: 11.36 (5th)

Last season:

Goals scored: 73 (2nd)
xG: 63.17 (4th)
(fewest) goals allowed: 44 (5th)
xGA: 41.92 (4th)
Points: 74 (2nd)
xPts: 65.6 (4th)

Bottom line: Not much of a change from last season really, except we seem to allow more scoring chances (though without doing worse in the number of goals we allow). That's where we are, so far. If that's where we still are when the season ends, that's not good. But we're just 6 games in, it's still early. And it's not regression at least. If this was as bad as it got this season, then we'll be fine.

 

[justsomebloke]

The general consensus among a majority of us seems to be that we lack in the management/coaching department and that we should win the big trophies with the players we have.
Basically I agree with that, but I am not sure if we are not overrating our players a little bit.
Especially the balance of our squad does not seem right. Too many players who are too selfish or try too hard to play killer passes. I mean it is fine for our number 9 to try and shoot whenever there is a possibility but the others should concentrate more on keep the ball moving and work for the build-up.
On the other hand we got a bunch who seem a bit slow, do not have such a great first touch or are not as mobile as it might be necessary in the long run. Matic, Maguire, AWB, Fred, McTominay...
Not saying that they are bad, not at all. I just tend to think when I see all these players on the pitch together that I am not that surprised that we do not see that kind of fast and fluid football that is necessary to create enough clear cut chances.
This is further highlighted by the fact that our coaching prefers these kind of players. It almost seems as if players like Donny and Sancho have been brought in because they were integral parts of teams playing great and modern football, but Ole and Co do not really have an idea what to do with them. If Ole could swap them for Haaland and Kane he would immediately do it I am afraid...
Things got further complicated by the last minute signing of Ronaldo - something that judged seperately on its own is fantastic, but makes constructing the best starting 11 even more complicated. Especially for our coaching team who are just overwhelmed by the task at hand it seems.

That's probably only true if you define "us" as "the people who post on these threads".

 

[Forevergiggs1]

to me it's clear Greenwood has been coached to shoot whenever he gets an opportunity to do so, so to me us reaping the benefits of him shooting means he is listening and learning.

Watching the AV game I have to say I agree with this but even though he's got a great shot on him I can't see how it's advantageous to the team when he's ignoring one of the greatest scorers of all time on one side and a prestigious scorer in Bruno on the other. Greenwood is 19 hears of age. Putting that amount of pressure on the lad isn't going to help his development and is detrimental to the team. It was pretty easy to see the frustration from both Ronaldo and Bruno which will do Greenwoods confidence no good at all.

In the last couple of games the instructions seem to have been shoot on sight and it doesn't matter how many pairs of legs are in the way or how far from the goal a player is, which is pure Sunday league stuff when with the players we have we should be cutting teams open but as that would require coaching of the highest level I can see why it isn't being implemented.

 

[romufc]

How can a manager be in charge for 3 years and have no method of playing.

Every game, we look vunerable at the back with 2 DM's, we cannot really create good scoring chances.

We cannot play football, the reason we struggle in so many games is that we do no impose ourselves. We have a chance they have a chance, this is not sustainable football because more often than not teams outplay us.

This season, I have seen Wolves, Southampton, Aston Villa, West Ham outplay us. We want to win the league?