you wonder how a woman would now feel if they’re being arrested by a lone policeman.
They should have the right to refuse to go anywhere until a second officer arrives on the scene.you wonder how a woman would now feel if they’re being arrested by a lone policeman.
It's worth considering however for a policeman with perhaps some evidentiary and detection knowledge although not a detective you might think he has to be pretty inept in evading being discovered relatively quickly and if that is his standard then hopefully he was just starting out.To imagine this is his first serious crime is also very naive though, imo.
To graduate from indecent exposure to a crime as surreally heinous as this is very unlikely and I’m very surprised there hasn’t been more talk of what the possibilities might be of his previous. Given his age and position of authority it’s almost impossible to consider there aren’t other things out there.
It’s good that he has received whole life order, and hopefully that goes some small way to beginning to rebuild public trust, but there’s a lot of work to be done and many questions left unanswered regarding this case imo.
Where does she imply each and every one of them are exactly like him? Her statement doesn't imply a specific amount.
The way I read it, "the rest of them" means the rest of police officers. Is it not?The details of the crime are sickening. OAN it pissed me off when that ex met officer on Sky news said something along the lines of “Wayne Couzens is not a police officer. The other police officers don’t view him as one he doesn’t share the same values of them, he is a dangerous individual.” No, he is exactly like the rest of them- corrupt bastards who harass innocent people and abuse their powers to do so.
Saw this comment on twitter and can't argue with that. Even with a second officer you can't feel 100% safe. After all, with Couzens he wiped his phone 30 minutes before being arrested which suggests he got the heads up from someoneThey should have the right to refuse to go anywhere until a second officer arrives on the scene.
Agreed, that should be an immediate consequence due to this case.They should have the right to refuse to go anywhere until a second officer arrives on the scene.
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/wayne-couzens-sentencing-remarks/Is there a link to the judges remarks in full? @Frosty?
Absolutely bone-chilling reading all that. There's so much to be done in terms of changing the power dynamics involved between society and the police, not to mention how we deal as a society with ruins of human beings such as Couzens. Certainly we should redouble efforts to ensure they're nowhere near positions of authority of any kind, not that that's very easy at the best of times let alone with the generational, institutional malfunctioning of organisations like the Met.Horrific report. Links to the impact statements by her mother, father and sister which are troubling to read. I really hope one day they are able find peace - but I’m not sure how you ever process something like this happening to your child/sibling.
He’s expected to be sentenced tomorrow.
https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-ev...ts-before-he-abducted-her-court-told-12421032
Agreed. Shouldn’t just be women though.Agreed, that should be an immediate consequence due to this case.
It's incredibly damaging for the police force, and I think it's enough for anyone to question a single officer in future.you wonder how a woman would now feel if they’re being arrested by a lone policeman.
It’s very unlikely he was that inept to be given the positions he was though…It's worth considering however for a policeman with perhaps some evidentiary and detection knowledge although not a detective you might think he has to be pretty inept in evading being discovered relatively quickly and if that is his standard then hopefully he was just starting out.
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I'm sure you know more about the topic than I do but he exposed himself at some stage, no doubt there were other offences such as voyeurism but at some point he escalated and this may have been it, but the Met would be the duffers we fully expect if they haven't taken a look at him for any unsolved cases wouldn't they?It’s very unlikely he was that inept to be given the positions he was though…
It’s worth remembering that many, if not all serial offenders tend to become more and more brazen as their crimes increase. It’s what often leads to them getting caught.
Well obviously of course not just the one bad apple.I mean yeah, not like they've ever been found to be institutionally corrupt or racist by an independent panel before...
https://www.statewatch.org/news/202...-by-inquiry-into-murder-of-private-detective/
http://miris.eurac.edu/mugs2/do/blob.pdf?type=pdf&serial=1017225511163
Just the one bad apple huh?
Agreed.Agreed. Shouldn’t just be women though.
I took them 2 hours from attendance to when they actually visited his house. Either they were just parked outside or someone had given him the heads up. Which needs to be looked into in any case, imo.Saw this comment on twitter and can't argue with that. Even with a second officer you can't feel 100% safe. After all, with Couzens he wiped his phone 30 minutes before being arrested which suggests he got the heads up from someone
Police attended his house at about 5.45pm on 9 March but did not approach the property. Shortly after 7pm, Couzens had re-set his mobile phone to factory settings.
Two detectives then visited the house at 7.45pm and Couzens was arrested on suspicion of Ms Everard's kidnap, the court hears.
I would certainly imagine he has committed serious crimes before (I'm guessing the large majority of people who commit this sort of pre-meditated sexual assault & murder have committed sexual assault before, for example) but would we not have heard at this point if he was suspected of other murders? Typically that narrative emerges relatively quickly following incidents like this, if not from the police then from media linking him to other possible victims.To imagine this is his first serious crime is also very naive though, imo.
To graduate from indecent exposure to a crime as surreally heinous as this is very unlikely and I’m very surprised there hasn’t more talk of what the possibilities might be of his previous.
It’s good that he has received whole life order, and hopefully that goes some small way to beginning to rebuild public trust, but there’s a lot of work to be done and many questions left unanswered regarding this case imo.
Those are the places I would most expect it.There’s evil and corruption in all walks of life where people would least expect it, Doctors, teachers, lawyers, military, Church…
I hope you’re right. But it’s very unlikely he went from indecent exposure straight to the utterly brazen nature of that murder. Especially given his position.I'm sure you know more about the topic than I do but he exposed himself at some stage, no doubt there were other offences such as voyeurism but at some point he escalated and this may have been it, but the Met would be the duffers we fully expect if they haven't taken a look at him for any unsolved cases wouldn't they?
Just out of interest what sort of sexualised behaviour/crimes do you think come between exposure and first instance of Rape and then Murder? I've obviously not given it much thought myself.I hope you’re right. But it’s very unlikely he went from indecent exposure straight to the utterly brazen nature of that murder. Especially given his position.
It’s also very concerning that he knew to wipe his phone straight before he was arrested.
I think given his position and age and the severity and brazenness of that case, it’s quite possible he would have other victims of some sort.Just out of interest what sort of sexualised behaviour/crimes do you think come between exposure and first instance of Rape and then Murder? I've obviously not given it much thought myself.
This is something I’ve always hated about murders like this. The last thing her family will want is to have her face synonymous with his. Every time you google her you’ll see his face too. It shouldn’t be that way.Tweet
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The Guardian have stuck to posting pictures of Sarah, with a little picture of Couzens at the bottom of the article but Mail Online, The Sun, The Mirror all have photos with both side by side.
I always find it bizarre when people spend their energy and outrage on arguments like this rather than what is clearly the real issue here.Well obviously of course not just the one bad apple.
There’s evil and corruption in all walks of life where people would least expect it, Doctors, teachers, lawyers, military, Church…
What I find offensive is when @Sara125 liken the whole of the MET to that p.o.s Couzens.
It’s certain there are several police on this forum ….are they all institutionally corrupt, evil feckers as well?
Let's not overreact now. You can't have a situation where a police officer has to wait to arrest somebody, and once they're in handcuffs any would be kidnapper would take them away whatever the rules are.They should have the right to refuse to go anywhere until a second officer arrives on the scene.
Let’s not overreact to half the population now having zero trust in the motives of a lone policeman trying trying to detain them?Let's not overreact now. You can't have a situation where a police officer has to wait to arrest somebody, and once they're in handcuffs any would be kidnapper would take them away whatever the rules are.
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@Pexbo beat me to it but I think your outrage might better be directed at the Met Police. This statement below is not in any way acceptable for startersWell obviously of course not just the one bad apple.
There’s evil and corruption in all walks of life where people would least expect it, Doctors, teachers, lawyers, military, Church…
What I find offensive is when @Sara125 liken the whole of the MET to that p.o.s Couzens.
It’s certain there are several police on this forum ….are they all institutionally corrupt, evil feckers as well?
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In a tragic piece of misfortune all the good cops who would have definitely reported this suffered a rare form of selective hearing.I haven’t read it properly but wasn’t his nickname “the rapist” amongst his colleagues?
Should we have told everybody they should second guess their GP because of Harold Shipman? Of course not.Let’s not overreact to half the population now having zero trust in the motives of a lone policeman trying trying to detain them?
Are you suggesting we should dismiss those fears and carry on regardless without offering some sort of solution?
No, there was just the small matter of a near complete overhaul of the UK's palliative care system instead.Should we have told everybody they should second guess their GP because of Harold Shipman? Of course not.
Well obviously of course not just the one bad apple.
There’s evil and corruption in all walks of life where people would least expect it, Doctors, teachers, lawyers, military, Church…
What I find offensive is when @Sara125 liken the whole of the MET to that p.o.s Couzens.
It’s certain there are several police on this forum ….are they all institutionally corrupt, evil feckers as well?
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As all the guests both left and right agreed on politics live this morning, the government and police force cannot regain public trust through PR this time, there needs to be structural and procedural change for women (and men) to feel safe and protected again. That trust has been broken.Should we have told everybody they should second guess their GP because of Harold Shipman? Of course not.
It's on the government to restore trust in its police forces but that does not extend to working even more fear into the public by suggesting all police officers might be about to kidnap them. This was one man in 135,000. Some context is needed.
Dunno, he looks like he’s actually bricking it there, and scrambling for a story like a little kid… reminded me more of Alan Partridge and the traffic cone than a psychopathic monster… which is scarier if anythingNot sure if anyone has watched this. I was reading The Guardian this morning about the case and this video was on there. It's a short clip of when he was being interviewed at his home about the disappearance of Sarah. He concocts some wild story about him being threatened by some Romanian gang, who said he had to kidnap this woman for them or his family would be in danger, etc.
Absolute fecking psychopath. Here it is if anyone wants to see it. It's only a short vid.