Chelsea appoint Thomas Tuchel

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In principle a real possibility, but it will be down to the timing of both Nagelsmann and Tuchel falling out of favor at their clubs :D
I'm sincerely hoping and expecting Nagelsmann to be with us for a while. The kid was born to be Bayern manager, really.
Obviously Tuchel would be a hot candidate for any future vacancy, if as you say the timing fits.

Honestly now that I think about it again, I'm not yet over Hoeness' antics of winter 17/18.. claiming Jupp would continue when even Jupp himself was publicly protesting. Niko fecking Kovac :houllier:
 

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Overrated.

As most new managers at that “football club” he’s been riding on a cloud since he joined and is new. Let’s see how good he is once they hit a rock and a few of the Chelsea players start to turn against him as they always do
Yep. He’s a good manager no doubt but the love-in for him is nauseating. His stock is overinflated based on having such a poor predecessor and out-foxing Pep on a couple of occasions.
 

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Tuchel has always been a brilliant and versatile coach with very few but significant flaws. Prior to all the others coaches that came later (Nagelsmann, Rose), Tuchel was the OG "hipster" manager in Germany who had the reputation of being the brightest and tactically most capable in the Bundesliga (maybe on par with Rangnick, but he stopped coaching). But whilst probably being tactically superior even to someone like Klopp (who is still world-class in that regard), he was a very difficult character to the extent that some ex-players even accused him of bullying them, and Watzke (BVB CEO) publicly said that he was easily one of the best coaches in the world, but impossible to work with as a human being. Not sure if he has learned to do that while being in Paris and I could easily see him winning the league/CL this year, but I still think that he could fall out with the club in a couple of years when they inevitably are on a bad streak.
I have never forgotten the thread where German posters were calling and/or at least debating Tuchel being a sociopath; it's given me a vested interest in him ever since. This thread.

If he's on a charm offensive in England, he's playing the media like a fiddle and it will be interesting to see how his behaviour is should Chelsea ever be under pressure from a long and bad run of results.
 

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I have never forgotten the thread where German posters were calling and/or at least debating Tuchel being a sociopath; it's given me a vested interest in him ever since. This thread.

If he's on a charm offensive in England, he's playing the media like a fiddle and it will be interesting to see how his behaviour is should Chelsea ever be under pressure from a long and bad run of results.
A lot of people in Germany were surprised by the scenes after the CL win, they did not expect him to be that emotional and close to his team. So it seems he improved that social skill weakness a lot during his time in Paris and London.
 

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A lot of people in Germany were surprised by the scenes after the CL win, they did not expect him to be that emotional and close to his team. So it seems he improved that social skill weakness a lot during his time in Paris and London.
He has come across really well since being in England, I must say.
 

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He has come across really well since being in England, I must say.
He's been humble, charming and charismatic in Germany as well. It's when things didn't go like he wanted them to go that he showed his bad side and that hasn't happened at Chelsea yet.
 

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He's been humble, charming and charismatic in Germany as well. It's when things didn't go like he wanted them to go that he showed his bad side and that hasn't happened at Chelsea yet.
Yeah, I know. I'm very curious about that.
 

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I have never forgotten the thread where German posters were calling and/or at least debating Tuchel being a sociopath; it's given me a vested interest in him ever since. This thread.

If he's on a charm offensive in England, he's playing the media like a fiddle and it will be interesting to see how his behaviour is should Chelsea ever be under pressure from a long and bad run of results.
That's pretty much exactly the same thing I was thinking about as well. Don't get me wrong; tactically, I honestly don't think that you can get someone better than him, but it will surely be very interesting to see how he acts when things are not going well.
 

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I think the stories about his antics are vastly exaggerated. Chances are that nothing of that is going to repeat itself at Chelsea since a) the circumstances are entirely different to his former clubs and b) he apparently worked on himself in that regard.
 

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I can see him in Real Madrid at one point, would have liked Klopp before having Zidane and wasn'r expecting much with Ancelotti this time around but who knows what will happen in a couple of seasons.
 

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Didnt watch the game but looking at the live commentary it seems like you battered them but got undone by poor finishing? So nothing new then.
Don't think we battered them at all. They were content to sit back, so we had total control in terms of possession but we created very little. Sideways and backwards. They hit us on a couple of counters and squeezed one in from one of them then just sat back for the rest of the game. We created maybe one very good chance which Lukaku missed, and then a couple of free headers from corners but that's it. Really poor game from us, in all honesty.
 

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Didnt watch the game but looking at the live commentary it seems like you battered them but got undone by poor finishing? So nothing new then.
Juve sat back with 9 men from the off and we just couldn't break them down. We were poor in possession - Alonso / Jorginho / Azpilicueta and particularly Ziyech were all awful and no one was in the gap between the midfield and attack. Mason Mount very badly missed (and Pulisic to a lesser extent).

Deserved win for Juve on the whole. Oh but also special shout to the referee who was genuinely appalling - fell for every single Juve dive. There was one moment in particular where Chalobah got absolutely cleared out on the edge of their box and 2 seconds later a Juve player got blown on in midfield and the ref called it. We had something like 72% possession but somehow committed 18 fouls to their 8 - patently ludicrous.
 

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Juve sat back with 9 men from the off and we just couldn't break them down. We were poor in possession - Alonso / Jorginho / Azpilicueta and particularly Ziyech were all awful and no one was in the gap between the midfield and attack. Mason Mount very badly missed (and Pulisic to a lesser extent).

Deserved win for Juve on the whole. Oh but also special shout to the referee who was genuinely appalling - fell for every single Juve dive. There was one moment in particular where Chalobah got absolutely cleared out on the edge of their box and 2 seconds later a Juve player got blown on in midfield and the ref called it. We had something like 72% possession but somehow committed 18 fouls to their 8 - patently ludicrous.
The ref was kind of infuriating, but we've secured big wins in the past using the same kind of gamesmanship that Juve showed last night. It was frustrating, but hard not to smile in admiration for the way they used all the tricks in the book to see out the game.

We can only really blame ourselves. This was a very easy game for Juve to manage. We passed the ball around in that horse shoe pattern for most of the game with almost zero cutting edge. All they had to do to win the game was sit back, keep their shape and make one of the few counters stick.
 

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I have never forgotten the thread where German posters were calling and/or at least debating Tuchel being a sociopath; it's given me a vested interest in him ever since. This thread.

If he's on a charm offensive in England, he's playing the media like a fiddle and it will be interesting to see how his behaviour is should Chelsea ever be under pressure from a long and bad run of results.
I feel like this is true for most managers at the top level, Klopp is genuinely deranged at points on the sidelines, Pep is a fecking weirdo as well, Conte a genuine killer hiding behind a big grin.
 

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The ref was kind of infuriating, but we've secured big wins in the past using the same kind of gamesmanship that Juve showed last night. It was frustrating, but hard not to smile in admiration for the way they used all the tricks in the book to see out the game.

We can only really blame ourselves. This was a very easy game for Juve to manage. We passed the ball around in that horse shoe pattern for most of the game with almost zero cutting edge. All they had to do to win the game was sit back, keep their shape and make one of the few counters stick.
Oh sure, can't blame Juve as they both got their tactics spot on and a weak ref who fell for their gamesmanship. Certainly wouldn't use the ref as an excuse on the whole but he was frustrating to say the least!
 

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Problem with Chelsea is the same problem they had after their last European Cup win. They win it despite not being the best team in Europe, spend well in the Summer then start the following season well. So every pundit and fan think they’re invincible and start proclaiming all sorts (and haven’t got a problem thinking that as many would with Utd or Liverpool). This is despite the fact they clearly aren’t invincible, as shown by some of their league results since Tuchel took over. It was only a Leicester bottle job that meant they got top 4 on the last day.

All of a sudden they aren’t looking the real deal but I still think they will compete for the title. Very solid defensively even in the two recent defeats.

Chelsea fans can defend Lukaku all they like but he goes missing when you really need him.
 

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The ref was kind of infuriating, but we've secured big wins in the past using the same kind of gamesmanship that Juve showed last night. It was frustrating, but hard not to smile in admiration for the way they used all the tricks in the book to see out the game.

We can only really blame ourselves. This was a very easy game for Juve to manage. We passed the ball around in that horse shoe pattern for most of the game with almost zero cutting edge. All they had to do to win the game was sit back, keep their shape and make one of the few counters stick.
Thought so too. Juve's players were falling over like tender plants and he gave them many of them (especially in the first half).
Never called these kinds of fouls when a Chelsea player was tripped. Based on that we should have had a penalty in the second half when Havertz was clipped in the box.
 

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So it turns out he's not infallible. He's a top manager, but has not really demonstrated why he should be talked about in the same breath as Pep or Klopp, whatever the relentless hype since their CL win.

Similarly, Lukaku was being fawned over by the media at large, but we know what he offers and what he doesn't.
 

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So it turns out he's not infallible. He's a top manager, but has not really demonstrated why he should be talked about in the same breath as Pep or Klopp, whatever the relentless hype since their CL win.

Similarly, Lukaku was being fawned over by the media at large, but we know what he offers and what he doesn't.
Definitely not infallible, he kind of failed at PSG (I know it was something different (internal quarrels) but he was not superb in his second season). But his track record for such a relatively young coach is still very good - and he had very early success with Chelsea. So, there is no reason to doubt him now - for Chelsea fans at least (although the first few are already doing exactly that).

Lukaku on the contrary was not that bad, considering we starved him for almost 80 minutes. I think no one expected him to be that clinical.
 

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Definitely not infallible, he kind of failed at PSG (I know it was something different (internal quarrels) but he was not superb in his second season). But his track record for such a relatively young coach is still very good - and he had very early success with Chelsea. So, there is no reason to doubt him now - for Chelsea fans at least (although the first few are already doing exactly that).

Lukaku on the contrary was not that bad, considering we starved him for almost 80 minutes. I think no one expected him to be that clinical.
Yeah, I wouldn't be doubting him. You've got a top coach there, no question. I just think the other two are more proven, and I think it's hard to dispute that.

With Lukaku, I think he's a top striker with some major caveats, and was quite pleased to see him sold, and surprised to see him sold again for more money, but I guess that says more about the lack of genuine quality options in the market than it does about his being world class.
 

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So it turns out he's not infallible. He's a top manager, but has not really demonstrated why he should be talked about in the same breath as Pep or Klopp, whatever the relentless hype since their CL win.

Similarly, Lukaku was being fawned over by the media at large, but we know what he offers and what he doesn't.
Why not? Pep still can't win a Champions League at City, he failed to win one with Bayern when they were already Champions of Europe at the time.

Klopp for me is another level to them both, but I think Tuchel is in the category of Pep. I don't think Pep can take Dortmund to take the title in Bundasliga whereas Tuchel and Klopp could.
 

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Why not? Pep still can't win a Champions League at City, he failed to win one with Bayern when they were already Champions of Europe at the time.

Klopp for me is another level to them both, but I think Tuchel is in the category of Pep. I don't think Pep can take Dortmund to take the title in Bundasliga whereas Tuchel and Klopp could.
I'd take Pep any day over Tuchel at United, even though Tuchel has navigated more difficult environments. Pep would teach our players (not least given how young and mouldable the squad is) so much. The question of Dortmund and success, I am not really sure Pep couldn't do that. One thing that skews it is if Pep was in charge at Dortmund the pressure on him and the players to deliver would be far greater than it was under Tuchel, as he brings that with him. I certainly don't think Dortmund would think twice given the chance.

I don't think Klopp is better than Pep, but he's a lot more suitable to United, so I'm with you there.
 

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I'd take Pep any day over Tuchel at United, even though Tuchel has navigated more difficult environments. Pep would teach our players (not least given how young and mouldable the squad is) so much. The question of Dortmund and success, I am not really sure Pep couldn't do that. One thing that skews it is if Pep was in charge at Dortmund the pressure on him and the players to deliver would be far greater than it was under Tuchel, as he brings that with him. I certainly don't think Dortmund would think twice given the chance.

I don't think Klopp is better than Pep, but he's a lot more suitable to United, so I'm with you there.
Pep will never take a job where he doesn’t either have the best squad in the league or the most money to spend. He picks his jobs well.
 

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I'd take Pep any day over Tuchel at United, even though Tuchel has navigated more difficult environments. Pep would teach our players (not least given how young and mouldable the squad is) so much. The question of Dortmund and success, I am not really sure Pep couldn't do that. One thing that skews it is if Pep was in charge at Dortmund the pressure on him and the players to deliver would be far greater than it was under Tuchel, as he brings that with him. I certainly don't think Dortmund would think twice given the chance.

I don't think Klopp is better than Pep, but he's a lot more suitable to United, so I'm with you there.
If money is not an issue, Pep is easily the best manager. He knows exactly what he wants from the team and will build the team accordingly.

Klopp is a fantastic manager as well, but despite all the success, we are yet to see evidence on certain aspects that he'll face at, say Utd. For example, I'm not sure how well can he handle huge squads filled with superstars - he still has fairly humble players at Pool both in starting XI and bench
 

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Pep will never take a job where he doesn’t either have the best squad in the league or the most money to spend. He picks his jobs well.
Why should he? Creating the best team of all time has given him the pick of any job he wants until he shows evident decline.
 

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Why should he? Creating the best team of all time has given him the pick of any job he wants until he shows evident decline.
Eventually he'll run out of those kinds of clubs though. He could go to PSG after leaving City, but then what? Real Madrid? Chelsea? United? Somehow I don't see him at those clubs.
 

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Eventually he'll run out of those kinds of clubs though. He could go to PSG after leaving City, but then what? Real Madrid? Chelsea? United? Somehow I don't see him at those clubs.
That's probably why he's staying so long at City. Does anyone actually know what is his stance on managing his clubs rivals? Does he not care (ala Mou and Conte) or has he got a blanket no former clubs rivals policy (ala Pochettino).
 

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Eventually he'll run out of those kinds of clubs though. He could go to PSG after leaving City, but then what? Real Madrid? Chelsea? United? Somehow I don't see him at those clubs.
International management, Italy and perhaps a return to Barca.
 

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Definitely not infallible, he kind of failed at PSG (I know it was something different (internal quarrels) but he was not superb in his second season). But his track record for such a relatively young coach is still very good - and he had very early success with Chelsea. So, there is no reason to doubt him now - for Chelsea fans at least (although the first few are already doing exactly that).

Lukaku on the contrary was not that bad, considering we starved him for almost 80 minutes. I think no one expected him to be that clinical.
No, that's the thing, in the Lukaku thread the expectation is that he has a ratio of 1:1 G/xG ratio :D
 

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He would go to Italy with that in mind. If he was willing to work under financial constraints (as he did at Barcelona and Bayern) there is no team in Serie A that would reject him.
It's not that easy I think. Barcelona was his first job, so not like he could choose any top club at the time. And at Bayern he might not have been able to spend unlimited money, but still more than any other club in the league. And allegedly he was unhappy basically from the start, that he did not get Neymar but only Mario Götze as a new attacking player.

No Serie A club has that financial dominance over the league that Bayern have.
 

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It's not that easy I think. Barcelona was his first job, so not like he could choose any top club at the time. And at Bayern he might not have been able to spend unlimited money, but still more than any other club in the league. And allegedly he was unhappy basically from the start, that he did not get Neymar but only Mario Götze as a new attacking player.

No Serie A club has that financial dominance over the league that Bayern have.
What's not easy? If Pep left City tomorrow, and picked a Serie A club out of a hat and said, "I'd like to manage there as soon as the managerial position was vacant", do you think there are any clubs that would go, "no, we will fill the vacancy with someone else"?