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Manchester United 1:1 Everton

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Sat, 02 October 2021

DomesticTadpole

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I would argue scoring 1 goal vs Everton and Villa at home is more the issue than conceding two needless goals, especially considering the attacking talent at our disposal.
Then you need to ask why we lose momentum all the time. We rarely put our foot on any teams necks.
 

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Him bringing Pogba on was his fault. We needed to get a hold of the midfield, not pile everybody forward. We had enough attacking players on already.
Disagree mate, what was Ole supposed to do? Him bringing another holding midfielder on to control the midfield wouldnt get us another goal. The sub from Ole was spot on imo. It's not like we concede again after Pogba came on. He changed a double pivot to a single pivot to pile on more pressure. If he didn't bring Pogba on it would have been another... Why did he not bring in Pogba when we needed a goal? We gambled and lost, on another day could've won with how we played at the end.
 

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What is the plan here? We are three years in and hundreds of millions of investments and we still play like a pub team. Absolutely unacceptable performance. Can't defend thus shit anymore, we need to act quickly and get a new manager and ideas in before we ruin the season too.
 

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I thought we were OK in the 1st half. It all fell apart in the 2nd. There was no need to make that subs then they were done. It ruined our game. Completely naive way to concede s goal, school yard stuff.
With that amount of attacking talent we should really create a lot, lot more.

I wonder if Ronaldo could have a role in Ole leaving before we end up without top 4. He won't put up with this for long. No sense in waiting for top 4 or not, he needs to leave now.
 

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Spared a point because a player was stupid enough to pass in front of goal instead of shoot. Is this really what it's come to with the squad we have?
 

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1-0 up against a depleted Everton at home and we get destroyed off a counter from our own corner despite getting 4 or 5 players back to their 3 attackers.

You will struggle to see that at an u-8s match. You really would.
 

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He rested Ronaldo and Pogba for the international break.

Good on Ole for helping Pogba and Ronnie play well for France and Portugal.

Nice guy.
 

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When we have the inevitable 5-0 loss against the first half-decent team we play…sadly it won’t be a surprise.
 

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Another game desperately hoping for a late goal to paper over the cracks.

I just feel very flat to it all. We serve up the same predictable tired sludge so often.
Fair play for calling it exactly how it is.
 

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I mean that's the standard United performance in fairness, could've won, could've lost. The issues aren't new and haven't been addressed so I expect that to be the norm for the season which means we won't be close to the title but probably enough for top 4 depending on other teams form.
said that before the first game - and got the usual abuse from those telling me we were going to win the title... not even sure about top four right now
 

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Disagree mate, what was Ole supposed to do? Him bringing another holding midfielder on to control the midfield wouldnt get us another goal. The sub from Ole was spot on imo. It's not like we concede again after Pogba came on. He changed a double pivot to a single pivot to pile on more pressure. If he didn't bring Pogba on it would have been another... Why did he not bring in Pogba when we needed a goal? We gambled and lost, on another day could've won with how we played at the end.
We had enough attackers, it would have stopped them ploughing through our midfield and we could concentrate on getting that elusive goal, instead of full panic mode at the end as usual.
 

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The team is top, but managing this group is hard. Don't agree with the lineups today, although the first half delivered a bit more cohesive passing game. But against an average team (at best) today, they should have squeezed more points out.

Sancho looked good, as did Greenwood, but as usual I"m puzzled why Fred gets so many minutes, Inevitably, he causes issues, and today was no different,.

Ole is rattled - not getting the most out of this squad, and he is losing the confidence. The Theatre of Dreams deserves better.
 

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It was always zero because we didn't buy a top DM. That would have given us an outside chance. To have a good chance you need to play high press.
Fred is a liability and a weak link, we are in dire need of a top quality DM, or a player in the Carrick mould. As for the manager he did a good job in stabilising the club after the Jose era. However, simple fact is that we will not progress and make that next step of winning trophies while he is in charge. He is very limited tactically and can't seem to motivate or get the best out of a group of players that should be putting teams like Everton to the sword. Time for a change.
 

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The thing is, had we got a last minute winner he (and sizeable chunk of this place) would be convinced we won the ‘United way’ and wheel out that schtick about great teams winning when not playing well
 

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Then you need to ask why we lose momentum all the time. We rarely put our foot on any teams necks.
Yeah, we have periods where we look like absolute worldbeaters, especially after going a goal down, and then we go back to pedestrian and half arsed football.

Of course our midfield isn't perfect, but we're still capable of turning it on from time to time. I'm a bit at a loss what's wrong with us, McFred had some very good games for us, don't think they're the sole reason we're struggling.

So, the manager?
 

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How many transfer windows does he need?
Rome wasn't built in a day mate, if he went for a midfielder in the last window maybe Ronaldo would've been playing in sky blue... Is that what you would've preferred?
 

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Another game where we look like a collective of individuals rather than a team. Full backs are poor, midfield is wide open when Everton were in possession. And apart from the goal, we didn’t force Pickford to make a real save.

Cant expect much more when we have the worse manager in the league. Should have bought a proper defensive mid rather than blowing $100m on Sancho, especially without clearing out some of the dross in the squad.
 

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Some unbelievable bullshit on this thread as always. You wonder if some people here watched the game at all, or if they've just buried themselves so deep in their determined negativity that everything looks like shit on a stick to them. Disgraceful and ridiculous, and beyond comment.

This was a strong performance. On Wednesday we got 3 points from an abysmal performance, where we deserved none. Today we got 1 from a very good performance, where we would have deserved 3.

Hugely better than the last couple of games. We looked fluent and efficient with the ball, everything we weren't in the last couple of games. Credit to Everton, who played a smart game within their limitations, maximising what they're good at: Controlling their own box, and always taking opportunities on the break. Their goal was a real beauty (though it would never have happened but for Freds fumbling on the ball at the beginning).

It's interesting that when we play this fluid, it stands out more clearly who's got some limitations relative to that level. Ie, Martial (excellent goal aside), Fred and AWB, to a lesser extent McTominay.

I think we saw for the first time today what a force Sancho can (and will) be. Another good one by De Gea. And our CBs were very impressive too, especially Lindelof.

Observation: We seem to have more possession than before - more than 70% today. Can't remember when we last had that. Of course, that's not an end in itself, but we just seem to have more of it more often this year than before. I

For this particular game, my main worry was that we'd deliver another disjointed performance, and we didn't. On the contrary. If we continue playing like this, we'll be fine. For once, I'd rather have that than the points, if I had to choose, because I was starting to get really worried about that.
 

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This season should be final season for ole, yeah? It seems this is the best ole could do.
 

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Maybe Ole wants to be mini Fergie but Fergie would absolutely fume at that result.
Ole is all about United way but he fails in most important aspect, no United manager should smile with 1:1 at Old Trafford.

No fekin manager.
 

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When we have the inevitable 5-0 loss against the first half-decent team we play…sadly it won’t be a surprise.
When I saw the line up, I thought the international break must be in two weeks time... senseless
 

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Another game where we look like a collective of individuals rather than a team. Full backs are poor, midfield is wide open when Everton were in possession. And apart from the goal, we didn’t force Pickford to make a real save.

Cant expect much more when we have the worse manager in the league. Should have bought a proper defensive mid rather than blowing $100m on Sancho, especially without clearing out some of the dross in the squad.
What, how is it possible to watch the game and come to that conclusion? We played with fluency, rhytm, timing, the players found each others effortlessly. What complete BS.
 

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I’m a fan of Ole, but that interview was a bit Moyes.
 

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In the last interview, after Villarreal, Ronaldo said that the team was nervous.
I think that’s the problem. We have seen this team deliver many times when there was no pressure and crumble badly when something was expected, like last year after we went top.

This year we are under pressure after our mercato.

I like Ole and I think he is the best manager since SAF but I don’t think he can handle us. At this level you have to control the pressure and I don’t think he or the team can.
 

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The buck always stops with the manager.

He's had more time than other would have been allowed and for this, he should fall on his sword.

I'm such a big fan of Ole the man. He gets us, knows what our club is about but he obviously lacks the knowledge to turn a world class team into a title winning team.

I have zero doubt Ole will keep his job until it's too late for this season.

We are going to have more days like this.
I can sympathise with most of this after the poor run we’ve been on but it’s really much too soon to panic. The one area that looks like it can’t be solved with players we have is CM but I don’t see why the rest can’t step up and get back into some kind of form.
 

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More nonsense from Ole in interview. "We had the ball more" - irrelevant and has been for years. We only had one more shot than them
 

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Have some of the best defenders and gk in the world. Have one of the best attack in the world. And yet start with double pivot against everton at OT. Alright, fine, but then at least teach them how to defend.

My biggest worry is how McT and Fred performing in the training? Are they better than this to warrant place in the team?
 

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Thought we actually looked lively but the issue with this team is that we don’t excite well enough in the final third and we are so fecking vulnerable to getting countered.
It's true, it doesn't matter how much intensity we play with, how quickly we move the ball and how up for it the players look, we don't have the cohesion or know-how to consistently create chances.

An xG of less than 1 today. At home, against a midtable team missing key players. And I don't even think we played that badly overall compared to usual, it's just our standard of performances are so so low.
 

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We just lack real idea when going forward. Switch it back and forth, then give the ball to an isolated Sancho and expect him to pull something out of his arse, or eventually try and loop a ball over the top and hope for some brilliance. We are getting a little joy out of AWB and Greenwood, but by the time we work start working them in behind the opposition have everyone back and the ball across gets blocked easily.

I really don't know why we can't just up the pace of everything we do. At least then the opposition has a chance to be out of position.
 

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Yeah, we have periods where we look like absolute worldbeaters, especially after going a goal down, and then we go back to pedestrian and half arsed football.

Of course our midfield isn't perfect, but we're still capable of turning it on from time to time. I'm a bit at a loss what's wrong with us, McFred had some very good games for us, don't think they're the sole reason we're struggling.

So, the manager?
It looks that way. Are the club just going to let him spend and spend. Each season it is likely someone will leave, next summer there could be a few going, not necessarily the ones we want to go. He will never therefore get it right. A good manager could do better with this squad. Benitez would do better with this squad.
 

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Some unbelievable bullshit on this thread as always. You wonder if some people here watched the game at all, or if they've just buried themselves so deep in their determined negativity that everything looks like shit on a stick to them. Disgraceful and ridiculous, and beyond comment.

This was a strong performance. On Wednesday we got 3 points from an abysmal performance, where we deserved none. Today we got 1 from a very good performance, where we would have deserved 3.

Hugely better than the last couple of games. We looked fluent and efficient with the ball, everything we weren't in the last couple of games. Credit to Everton, who played a smart game within their limitations, maximising what they're good at: Controlling their own box, and always taking opportunities on the break. Their goal was a real beauty (though it would never have happened but for Freds fumbling on the ball at the beginning).

It's interesting that when we play this fluid, it stands out more clearly who's got some limitations relative to that level. Ie, Martial (excellent goal aside), Fred and AWB, to a lesser extent McTominay.

I think we saw for the first time today what a force Sancho can (and will) be. Another good one by De Gea. And our CBs were very impressive too, especially Lindelof.

Observation: We seem to have more possession than before - more than 70% today. Can't remember when we last had that. Of course, that's not an end in itself, but we just seem to have more of it more often this year than before. I

For this particular game, my main worry was that we'd deliver another disjointed performance, and we didn't. On the contrary. If we continue playing like this, we'll be fine. For once, I'd rather have that than the points, if I had to choose, because I was starting to get really worried about that.
How many chances did this strong, very good, fluent, efficient performance create?
 

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Thought first half we played good football and really thought we'd put it to bed. But, Fred does a Fred, lose a ball physical battle and puts us in a dangerous position - this time resulting in a goal out of nothing. I actually like Fred but, the way he has started this season, he should have long been dropped but, Ole not only likes that he runs around hard but, wants to be proven right to continue with him.

It's mind boggling how we can be so toothless when we take a corner and other teams always seem like they could score on the break because of how bad we are.

To be fair to Ole, the starting line up did well, Sancho was good when he came on. But, the AWB / Greenwood combination completely fizzled in that second half, there was no more of the overloads for some reason which worked so well. Am not convinced Ole is the man to win us trophies but, not sure what he really got wrong in the game itself - more so what is going on in training / preparation prior to creating more dangerous situations.
 

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We had enough attackers, it would have stopped them ploughing through our midfield and we could concentrate on getting that elusive goal, instead of full panic mode at the end as usual.
That's the united way...but maybe you're too young, you cannot have enough attackers when you want to change and win a game.
 

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