That's funny because I haven't met any United supporters that think he's good enough. Always thought this board was a bit of a magnet for deluded fans like you.
Why are United fans so oblivious to importance of good managers?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Yet that thread and poll with 100s of pages of replies was closed. Yet it was neither abusive or breaking rules.
It was closed because it didn't match a narrative or company line to support Ole.
I'd believe you if that thread was reopened.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/would-you-sack-or-keep-ole-poll-reopened.450911/
1058 pages of replies.. yet closed.
I don't really understand the idea of rounding on sections of fans that have a different opinion on managers. It doesn't do any good and creates a divisiveness among the club and support. If you have a different opinion it is fine but why not present that case rather than putting other fans on trial?
What's the point? We know Klopp, Pep and Tuchel are bloody good - who is denying that or the fact Ole remains short of that level until he proves otherwise? It's not an insightful or interesting point, is a round of applause required for noticing this or that top managers are important?
There could be many reasons some fans have preferred to stick by Ole. The fact he was in the process of the job and rebuilding the squad. The fact we sacked a number of managers in quick succession and it hadn't brought about success. The fact that if the club acknowledged they needed a cultural reboot among many departments then it is easier to achieve that with stability and with a manager who takes a long term view, even if it requires some short term pain.
Ultimately the manager has to deliver this season because it feels like the culmination of his work and reshaping of the squad. If he doesn't then he doesn't and of course he should face the consequences but it hasn't always been as black and white as picking up the next hired gun that's on the market.
What's the point? We know Klopp, Pep and Tuchel are bloody good - who is denying that or the fact Ole remains short of that level until he proves otherwise? It's not an insightful or interesting point, is a round of applause required for noticing this or that top managers are important?
There could be many reasons some fans have preferred to stick by Ole. The fact he was in the process of the job and rebuilding the squad. The fact we sacked a number of managers in quick succession and it hadn't brought about success. The fact that if the club acknowledged they needed a cultural reboot among many departments then it is easier to achieve that with stability and with a manager who takes a long term view, even if it requires some short term pain.
Ultimately the manager has to deliver this season because it feels like the culmination of his work and reshaping of the squad. If he doesn't then he doesn't and of course he should face the consequences but it hasn't always been as black and white as picking up the next hired gun that's on the market.
Some here just hate to admit they're wrong.
Because United are a club very unique in one regard - two of its greatest managers were ones who stayed at the club for more than 20 years. This leads to a very distorted view that if any manager is given time here, eventually he'd become the heir of Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex. The reality is that is just a fairy tale that most people won't admit. They'll continue to advocate giving managers more time despite being obviously out of it because they think United is a special club and isn't like all the other clubs *wink*. And because they are of the ridiculous belief that any manager can turn it around and become another Sir Alex, if only being given enough time. This is basically how we found ourselves in the mess we are in post-Sir Alex and post-Busby. We never learn. Meanwhile Real Madrid and Chelsea sack managers left and right and continue to blow past us in every way while we here are still praying Ole miraculously comes through. Most fans also seem to forget that Sir Alex was a massive winner before inheriting United while Ole has won absolutely nothing. But fans will continue to persist because...the United way and such.
Ask for one in the already existing threads. Also it's a different point to the one you insinuated, the mods do not delete threads or posts because they are negative, that's bs, there is plenty of both on the most recent/active threads. What the mods don't want is for every other posters to spam the forum with frankly useless threads.
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What's your point? What you've posted is absolute nonsense tbh. The idea that people are silenced and not allowed to post opinions on here is laughable.
Because 99p of the members here have grown during Sir Alex's era and have absolute belief in the fact that any manager, given time, will do well and fans are meant to support whoever is in charge unconditionally.
It's a load of bollocks mind.
It's a load of bollocks mind.
I assure you everybody knows or can feel Ole is not good enough. They are just waiting for it to reflect on the table
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/would-you-sack-or-keep-ole-poll-reopened.450911/
1058 pages of replies and then the threads closed? Surely that thread can't be considered useless?
So our whole club is just Ole FC? ok then
It's a megathread. It should have been closed way before they did and a new one created.
Editl: Also how does a thread that is that long supports your point about any negative thread being deleted?
Aah, what we need is an OLE out thread thinly veiled as something else. There's not enough of those.
United fans aren't oblivious to the importance of good managers. Most of us spent 30 years watching the greatest manager of all time lead our club.
We also watched 3 different types of managers come in and fail, each leaving the club in a shit state behind them. Two of those were world renowned, successful managers whose resumes piss all over half the flavour of the month options half the people in this thread would have us replace Ole with.
If there was a bona fide Klopp or Pep available to us right now, I doubt there's a United fan alive who would be too upset at us bringing him in. But who is that?
We could hire Conte, have him come in and play 5 at the back playing 2 of Ronaldo, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard and Martial every week. We could watch him fall out with everyone at the club over the next 2 seasons, possibly winning a title while doing so, before flouncing and leaving a holy show behind him.
We could hire Zidane, ignoring the fact that many Madrid fans would suggest he has many of the same tactical limitations as Ole, and when he went through a poor patch after a few months, we'd have the same genius Monday morning quarterbacks in here, shitting all over the club and crying about how bad an appointment he was.
Or we could hire Pochettinho, the Emperor without any clothes, who managed to come second with a Billion pound squad in a league full of clubs who would struggle to win League 2.
Find the world class manager who is interested in building something proper at United, and most of us would welcome a move upstairs for Ole and a new technician in the dugout. Until that happens, shut the feck up and support the manager and the club.
We also watched 3 different types of managers come in and fail, each leaving the club in a shit state behind them. Two of those were world renowned, successful managers whose resumes piss all over half the flavour of the month options half the people in this thread would have us replace Ole with.
If there was a bona fide Klopp or Pep available to us right now, I doubt there's a United fan alive who would be too upset at us bringing him in. But who is that?
We could hire Conte, have him come in and play 5 at the back playing 2 of Ronaldo, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard and Martial every week. We could watch him fall out with everyone at the club over the next 2 seasons, possibly winning a title while doing so, before flouncing and leaving a holy show behind him.
We could hire Zidane, ignoring the fact that many Madrid fans would suggest he has many of the same tactical limitations as Ole, and when he went through a poor patch after a few months, we'd have the same genius Monday morning quarterbacks in here, shitting all over the club and crying about how bad an appointment he was.
Or we could hire Pochettinho, the Emperor without any clothes, who managed to come second with a Billion pound squad in a league full of clubs who would struggle to win League 2.
Find the world class manager who is interested in building something proper at United, and most of us would welcome a move upstairs for Ole and a new technician in the dugout. Until that happens, shut the feck up and support the manager and the club.
I personally have a huge problem with all the “olee ole ole” chants. They paint the wrong picture.
Let's be brutally honest shall we. Every United fan can see the obvious; we're not good enough and that's because the manager isn't good enough.
The one thing that divides us is there are those of us who are willing to acknowledge and accept it, and then there are those who care more about their own self image and appearing to be better supporters.
We seen it during Moyes' stint as manager too, where there was a section of fans that took Ferguson's "stand by the manager" speech to heart.
I dislike engaging in "top red" talk if I'm being honest, it makes me cringe to bring it up. But it's real and it exists, so sometimes it's unavoidable.
The one thing that divides us is there are those of us who are willing to acknowledge and accept it, and then there are those who care more about their own self image and appearing to be better supporters.
We seen it during Moyes' stint as manager too, where there was a section of fans that took Ferguson's "stand by the manager" speech to heart.
I dislike engaging in "top red" talk if I'm being honest, it makes me cringe to bring it up. But it's real and it exists, so sometimes it's unavoidable.
Unfortunately there's nothing else now to talk about or make threads about. McFred/Poor coaching threads are constantly active, we have an extremely good squad this year that negates a lot of conversation criticizing the team. It'll all be down to Ole this year, got to get to used it.
We should honestly be more like Chelsea and Bayern. We have the Saf syndrome who took 6 years to win silverware. We have to operate like other clubs and treat underperforming managers like underperforming players.
I did not compare clubs just supporters reactions --- with exceptions mainly short term and hysterical.
what a educated reply 'you loose'
Can we re-open this one?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/wou...r-as-long-as-he-kept-delivering-top-4.443609/
Feels quite relevant, because with Solskjaer I think we've found "the one"
Solskjaer has not done a better job than Mourinho in any way. Worse quality football, no trophies compared to Mourinho who won 2, both got second place position however Mourinho had 7 more points, and Ole spent much more money.
Same opinion as i had after Wednesday game.
I think Brendan Rodgers could do a very good job.
This team now needs someone who can get good attacking football played. Some patterns to develop like gary neville explained. Ole has not managed that so far. Good attacking chemistry from this team will get 2-4 goals in a game like yesterday’s. If defence and midfield is poor. Fair enough you will concede too but right now we conceding still but not getting best out of attack.
liverpool under Klopp were scoring a lot then defence was poor. Proves that we should be better at attacking that our attack warrants.
Every time we’ve had a manager since Sir Alex. We’ve always blamed something midfield is poor, manager is wrong, players are not suitable to pressing game etc.
At times it is about making tough decisions in steps. Ole’s helped build a great squad.
can we now get a manager who can take it to next level? Or sit and watch.
this is what in my view made Barcelona, Madrid, Chelsea, City successful. They found the right successor to take team forward.
If we lost yesterday. Ole would not get sacked. Whereas, one of the above clubs would very likely change manager to avoid risking the next 4 CL games. Ronaldo, Pogba, Fernandes wouldn’t want to be in Europa.
Opinion today. Benitez showed what a good manager can do. Even if he was our manager (not saying he should be) you would get a compact defence and something for attack to build on.
what is Ole’s identity? Premier league is no La Liga where any manager can sometimes do wonders.
I think Brendan Rodgers could do a very good job.
This team now needs someone who can get good attacking football played. Some patterns to develop like gary neville explained. Ole has not managed that so far. Good attacking chemistry from this team will get 2-4 goals in a game like yesterday’s. If defence and midfield is poor. Fair enough you will concede too but right now we conceding still but not getting best out of attack.
liverpool under Klopp were scoring a lot then defence was poor. Proves that we should be better at attacking that our attack warrants.
Every time we’ve had a manager since Sir Alex. We’ve always blamed something midfield is poor, manager is wrong, players are not suitable to pressing game etc.
At times it is about making tough decisions in steps. Ole’s helped build a great squad.
can we now get a manager who can take it to next level? Or sit and watch.
this is what in my view made Barcelona, Madrid, Chelsea, City successful. They found the right successor to take team forward.
If we lost yesterday. Ole would not get sacked. Whereas, one of the above clubs would very likely change manager to avoid risking the next 4 CL games. Ronaldo, Pogba, Fernandes wouldn’t want to be in Europa.
Opinion today. Benitez showed what a good manager can do. Even if he was our manager (not saying he should be) you would get a compact defence and something for attack to build on.
what is Ole’s identity? Premier league is no La Liga where any manager can sometimes do wonders.
I'm not a mod but there are two things that Niall mentioned in the past, no megathreads and don't use old threads. Create a new updated thread if there is no threads with the same topic.
They saw LVG and Jose fail and decided that it doesn't matter who the manager is I guess.
Now Ole gets aways woth having nothing expected of him
Now Ole gets aways woth having nothing expected of him
Let's be honest. Nobody with half a brain would honestly believe he is good enough at this stage. It's good that the matchgoers haven't turned on him yet as he's a player legend but in reality I'd say no more than 10% still think he's good enough for us.
Conte might win the league but leave in 2 years
Zidane is shit cause Madrid fans said so
Pochettino is just shit.
So tough luck boys keep supporting Ole. Oh and when he does get sacked lets give him another role he is totally unqualified for and move him upstairs.
Same with saying nonsense like " He’s our manager, support him or f**k off."
Us adults don't understand armchair fickle talk.
You do know fans can support a club and dislike a manager? Same like how fans dislike Glazers, or the coaching staff and still support the club? Or dislike players and still support a club.
A manager is just one part of the club. He isn't immune to criticism nor needs to be supported blindfolded to show top red status
And that's the crux of it all - because of that we think any shmuck who's given the job can replicate his success.
Think you're being very naive about that. I remember when there were talks about Klopp going to United - most people said he is unproven, that we should stick with Van Gaal, stand by your manager and all that, using the same arguments for Ole staying at the job you're using right now. If Klopp from Bundesliga was available right now, there would be a lot of Ole fans still saying that Klopp is overrated, he hasn't proven himself, that he'd have difficulty with this squad, that he won't do better than Ole, that we'd need to change formation and buy a whole new squad in order to accomodate it, yada yada. We've heard all of this before. This isn't our first rodeo.
I almost lost it earlier this week, several posters suggested that he should take the DOF job, as if Murtough didn't exist.
At this stage we should change the stadium’s name to Ole Trafford.
That's the point though, It's obvious we can't compete with likes of Tuchel, Klopp and Pep so, shouldn't we at least be on the lookout to get someone who can compete? What's the point of spending so much to finish 4th when we are always likely to finish around that position anyway even if we sack ole and our new manager fails to live up to expectations. There is really no logical reason to stick with Ole and yes there is no guarantee that our next manager will be successful but there was no guarantee with Tuchel too because he'd only won french league with PSG, bottled CL final and won a few cups with Dortmund but you could tell with the way his teams played that they had a plan. I see the same with plenty of mid table Premier league teams and in Europe as well. Why are we not going for those managers?
No, United fans are obviously not oblivious.
Ole is our Manager. Isn't he?
Ole is our Manager. Isn't he?
To teach Vidic and Rio how to defend like Phil Jagielka?
Chelsea hired Lampard, huge legend of club but his pedigree as manager wasn't as big as when he was player. Did well I guess on his 1st season. But after spending big and the results were poor, it clearly shows he doesn't cut it as manager for a club challenging for titles. Chelsea doesn't care that Lampard is arguably their second biggest legend, they get rid of him. They get Tuchel in, and new manager delivered a Champions League for them. I wish we be more like Chelsea.
Perfect time to get rid now it's international break. Take the backroom staff with you.
Let him go back to his level in the Norway league let carrick follow if he wants to learn coaching or whatever it is he does.
Let him go back to his level in the Norway league let carrick follow if he wants to learn coaching or whatever it is he does.
I don't care one way or another whether we sack or keep Ole. What I do care about is whether the team is winning and the style in which they are doing it. What does seem clear to me is that we are seeing similar flaws in games week after week. Everton counter-attacking us was exactly what was happening midweek with that Danjuma player. What is going on with the coaching? It's not a lack of support to question the naivety with which Utd are playing right now.
Lots of United fans have a self-harm way of supporting the club, they want us to be the best in the world but don't want the ruthless choices that comes with that when it comes to managers and academy players in particular. I personally don't see anything changing under Ole but he'll get top 4 and we rinse and repeat next season.
Do the match-going fans support him though? I went to the Newcastle home game and was chanting for the team and Ronaldo. Not Ole. I know the Ole songs come out when we are winning but that's just more feel-good fandom isn't it? I doubt there would be many tears shed if he got the sack.