The team who has the last laugh is the one winning the league and or champions League.
Not the one who beats the other in the league
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Not the one who beats the other in the league
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I know I avoided mentioning that on purpose
I bet. Given how he was grinning after the Everton result, I can only imagine his mirth after those two fixtures.
It's bullsh*t too. The last 9 games of last season....2 draws, 3 wins and 4 losses! Plus shite football to boot. The writing has been on the wall for a long time.
We are only two points off the top because we've played nobody so far.
We've drawn against a depleted Everton, got lucky against Wolves, drew to Southampton and lost to Villa. Look at our upcoming fixtures. Strap yourselves in as it's going to get messy.
We've drawn against a depleted Everton, got lucky against Wolves, drew to Southampton and lost to Villa. Look at our upcoming fixtures. Strap yourselves in as it's going to get messy.
We’re going to play Fred and McTominay for those run of games aren’t we…
Nothing changed as far as Romano's sources tell him. Ole at the wheel.
Or time for another Houdini act.
Ole in more or less words when pressed on footballing questions - "Football isn't about tactics"
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He has to go and the sooner the better. Tactically inept, tactically incompetent. With this squad of players we should easily be beating the likes of Villa and Everton at home. Just because Ole is a club legend, it does not mean he is a great manager, and he is not. No style of football, no identity in our play. Continually reverts to type and plays with fear and a back six.
Watching City v Liverpool today highlights how far away we are, and we shouldn't be with our squad. Hearing Klopp break down his tactics after the game and explain the rationale behind his decisions. I've never heard Ole explain anything from a tactical perspective. Spent 130m on the RW and still plays Greenwood there. One signing in and out already, another one wanting to leave and probably will in Jan.
However the biggest issue of all is to actually sit and endure watching us. We don't even play good football. Time to go Ole and take those coaches with you
Watching City v Liverpool today highlights how far away we are, and we shouldn't be with our squad. Hearing Klopp break down his tactics after the game and explain the rationale behind his decisions. I've never heard Ole explain anything from a tactical perspective. Spent 130m on the RW and still plays Greenwood there. One signing in and out already, another one wanting to leave and probably will in Jan.
However the biggest issue of all is to actually sit and endure watching us. We don't even play good football. Time to go Ole and take those coaches with you
That’s pretty much capped a dog shit weekend for me.
Of course, no chance they'd openly admit they were wrong once again.
What excuses?
He's done well up to this season with the players he had.
He hasn't started this season well given the squad he has now.
Maybe we're actually quite reasonable and call it as we it. Maybe some were being overly critical before and are now claiming an all knowingness that is beyond sickening.
I really don't hear any great tactical insight here.
He said they sat off too much in the first half and got more aggressive in the second. Played a bit higher.
Standard manager talk.
Of course it's a <5 minute interview so no one is expecting overly detailed analysis but what is clear is Klopp has a very comprehensive and thorough approach in preparing his players.
You can tell the difference between him and a manager like Ole who just says "I want mentality and desire and hard work", it's a throwback to Alan Hanson's match of the day specials of saying every winner showed "pace, energy and desire" in the analysis. Ole say's some odd things where you can just tell he is out of his depth. He will say things like "moments didn't go our way" or "we dominated the ball" or similar - from matches where we deserved feck all from the game.
Klopp has also said some clangers, mind. But he's got the goodwill on the pitch to forgive any clown statements he makes. Ole doesn't have that so it will show more in scrutiny. He's relegated Cardiff, he's had serial losses to small teams, he's had early cup exits for which there is no excuse and he's choked in 2 finals without a trophy on the CV to fall back on. At least when Klopp choked in the finals he reached, he could point to his CV and the sustained progress on the pitch and say "our silverware is just a matter of time". Ole can't do that right now so he's basically found out unless he pulls something crazy out the bag.
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Don't worry, I don't see a way he survives our next 6 games. I honestly foresee 2 points in the league and maybe a win and a loss against Atalanta.
The international break doesn't help him.
Klopp talked about being "more aggressive" in that very interview. Is that miles away from "mentality and desire?"
Clearly Klopp is a better manager but this whole thing abput tactics is just getting overplayed now. Klopp is giving a short interview where he tells us nothing we didn't already know and it's declared a significant tactical insight in order to shame Ole.
City like to play through the middle.
Too many long balls aren't great.
Sitting off too much doesn't work as its passive
Being more aggressive helps.
Getting higher up and closer helps.
I mean did me, you or anybody else here not already know all that? You think Ole doesn't know that stuff?
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What a sad post.
No tactical genius is going to give a post match presser that will provide more detail than what Klopp said. But my point is, his evaluation of the game is clear and consistent without soundbites.
Regarding the bold bit, Ole doesn't know how to break down teams or have an efficient system to control games. We know this from the eye test, so its not a stretch to consider some things that Klopp said, obvious as they were, are not things Ole would see.
Or, more likely, Ole would see the same way as Klopp but fails miserably at fixing the obstacles with the talent he has. This is why we press like headless chickens, attack in chaos and get hit on easy counters when our players forget what positions theyre in.
Klopp makes it clear in his interviews that there are remits of where and when players step up. Thats the bit in the interview where Ole segregates himself from top managers. Ole evidently doesnt do anything like that, nor does he believe in such granularity when managing. Hes all about motivation and desire.
Basically saying Ole out without saying Ole out. I do agree though, he will leave a better group of players for the next (hopefully progressive?) coach. Players like Mason, Marcus, Jadon, Bruno, Pogba etc. I could see going up a further level with proper coaching.
feck me this place is a disgrace.
Nothing wrong with what he said I reckon, outside of him extending the trophy time to 18 months
Oh ffs
In a monarchy, merely discussing succession is treasonous. This is football, but something has changed. It is disappointing that a manager who is two points from the top isn't getting the respect he deserves.
I'm not saying I want those results to happen. My much preferred scenario is that we perform well in those games and get a good return.
I just don't see it happening. For me this finishes one of two ways. We either limp till the end of the season, achieving nothing and then Ole gets relieved or his duties. Or we get a series of really bad results which forces the boards hand now sooner.
I wish it was different, I'd love nothing more than to be wrong about Ole. But for me he is miles and miles of the pace, I don't even see how it is debatable.
So we're currently praising Klopp for his tactical awareness in dealing with City and saying Ole doesn’t have such insight. This the same Ole who has repeatedly beaten City and at times tactically bested them?
I'm not blanket defending Ole. I've said a few times he's badly neglected how we pass the ball.
But to say Klopp can read Peps tactics in a way Ole can't is straight up wrong.
I think Ole's best moments of coaching and tactics has been against Pep. Possibly against Klopp as well. Of all the things to criticise him for, handling Pep should be near the bottom of the list.
I saw that as well, essentially give him till halfway to end of next season to extend our trophyless spell. We were told we were 2 years away from a title challenge 3 years ago. If he can't win this season what is he going to do with an older Ronaldo, De Gea, Cavani etc. In 18 months large parts of the team will need replacing, it's now or never. This might comfortably be the best United team will see this decade.
Credit to Ole for building it but it doesn't mean letting him squander it.
Yeah, I don't mind any of that. Unless the team starts unraveling there won't be a managerial chance during the season. Which could definitely happen. But the 18 months bit is strange. That would mean the league cup in 2023
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What’s up with his forehead?
He has been saying 18-months for the last 12-months!Yeah, I don't mind any of that. Unless he the team starts unraveling there won't be a managerial chance during the season. Which could definitely happen. But the 18 months bit is strange. That would mean the league cup in 2023
I honestly think it's a matter of time now. The question is can Ole string enough results together to survive the season. I honestly think could be gone within the next 10 games when you look at the fixture list and performance levels.
People think I'm out of order. But this is his 3rd year after spending a fortune. We still have no style of play, don't know our best 11 and can't string more than 2 good performances in a row.
He's going to leave the club in a better place than he found out. I'm not sure it's worth pissing away this season though, if we're miles behind in the league by say Christmas and don't look like winning anything the club will surely have to think about making a change but I think all this depends on if they fancy Zidane because looking at the available managers he's the only one I could see the club going for. If not then we probably ride the season out with Ole.
This 'two points from the top' is the new 'SAF needed 6 years to win a trophy'. How about we use some context - we have one of the best squads on the planet, have played teams that are close to the bottom, some of who have been missing their best players and bar maybe 2 games all season, have arguably been the worse team or not played to a standard that is sustainable.
We are equal on points with teams like Everton and Brighton, who both have far less resources than ourselves and in the case of Brighton - have played better teams, whilst playing better football than ourselves. We have less points than our rivals Chelsea and Liverpool, who have had far harder starts to the season than ourselves, being equal to City who have had far harder results than ourselves.
Not to add - those teams, just like quite a few teams in the league, play far better football, which is required in this footballing climate to win major silverware.
He isn't getting respect because simply put, he did an acceptable job when his job was to steady the ship, he has never shown signs of being a manager capable of challenging these teams for major silverware because he is a manager completely reliant on the quality of his squad. It's why the only improvements to our team and our play has been improvements to the actual players. The aspects of the game that actually require his/the coaching staff's input, is where we still fall short. The pressing, the passing, the movement, the defence etc.
This two points from the top rubbish completely overlooks context, it completely overlooks the fact that people aren't only now deciding Ole isn't good enough. These are issues that have been prevalent since he has joined the club. The only difference now is, with how stacked our squad is, he simply has nowhere left to hide. This team should be winning and it should be doing it in style, not crawling over the line against far inferior teams missing their best players.
Couldn't have said it better.
We tactically shit house our way through those games. Counter, counter, counter. Klopp figured it out last season, let us have more of the ball and they walloped us 4-2. Drew the other game 0-0 in what was the worst performance from City that I'd seen in years.
Only win was against City, 2-0 (they also beat us in the cup 2-0). The stats from that game just tell us everything City had 23 shots to our 8,and they had 66% possession. I remember the game well and it just felt like one of those games where everything just went our way miraculously.
I certainly don't look back and think Ole has Pep or Klopps number tactically. They perhaps naively at times went too gung ho to outscore us and end up getting suckered on the counter. I'm sure they knew it was our only threat as even we knew that on here, but they rolled the dice in the hope they'd just outscore us with constant attacks.
Looks like he went to the surgeon and asked for botox but instead got buttocks...
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