How is rewarding mediocrity increasing his chances of success? I don't get it. Did the new 3 years contract make him perform any better? Obviously not. All this does is that eventually the club would have to pay a nice severance package to all of them. And where does the club gets its money from? Certainly not from some oil sheikh's pockets.
MEN: Carrick and McKenna next in line for contract extensions
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
By removing uncertainty among his team of coaches, obviously.
Brilliant! Congratulations to everyone involved.
woodward’s parting gift.
Not surprising but won't minimize the damage this will do when we inevitay have to sack them. We are trying very hard to show that the management is not panicking and it's supportive of the current set up but the challenge is that all these decisions could be overtaken by events and we could find ourselves in a situation where we have to sack Ole and his team but having made it more expensive to do it with these extensions.
And what is the club communicating to the manager and coaches? You have the carte Blanche to stink out the place and you won't suffer consequences? Won't we run the risk of making them complacent where a bit of pressure could have given them jolt into solving the various on-pitch issues we currently have?
Oh yes, because Ronaldo, Pogba and Bruno are just desperate to know Carrick and McKenna are staying and not going to Madrid, I'm sure. Do you even believe the things you're writing at the moment?
Give them all 10 year contracts
Have you got the lottery numbers for this Saturday whilst you here please?
We will most likely get better again this season. We just need to figure out how and when we need to press. I still don’t know how we did so “well” last season without a concerted press. Just Bruno Fred McT and Cavani. I think this season we’ve missed Cavani and McT pressing and teams have a lot more time and comfort at the back and on the ball in general to build up their play or frustrate us by keeping the ball that little bit longer. Teams are also packing the middle of defence effectively against us. Not a lot of space to work in. No press and a more cavalier mentality since Ronaldo arrived leaves us way more open on the counter. Hopefully Ole and the lads can strike a balance ASAP. I don’t think its rocket science. We’ve got the squad to challenge and we will with a few tweaks. Maybe a brave call or two from the manager 
Not among the players, genius. Among the coaches themselves.
Well feck.
It's well known once you take the pressure of a permanent job employment, the same underperforming applicants start performing waaaay over their capabilities.
They need a fire in their backsides. Rewarding them with a new contract will just make them think everything is fine
The coaches what? They've been here for more than 3 years. Performances have always been the same. I'm curious to know what you think will change now suddenly when they have "security".
That's a common misconception, we didn't do "well" everyone else was terrible so we looked better. There has been no change in the last 2-3 seasons to our overall style of play. Our press still looks completely disorganised as you mentioned and if Liverpool didn't have the injuries, Chelsea had Tuchel the whole season this whole concept about last season being a good season wouldn't exist. This season we don't have the luxury of our rivals being in bad shape which is worrying, the only positive so far this season is that Leicester are imploding which should make that 4th place easy enough.We will most likely get better again this season. We just need to figure out how and when we need to press. I still don’t know how we did so “well” last season without a concerted press. Just Bruno Fred McT and Cavani. I think this season we’ve missed Cavani and McT pressing and teams have a lot more time and comfort at the back and on the ball in general to build up their play or frustrate us by keeping the ball that little bit longer. Teams are also packing the middle of defence effectively against us. Not a lot of space to work in. No press and a more cavalier mentality since Ronaldo arrived leaves us way more open on the counter. Hopefully Ole and the lads can strike a balance ASAP. I don’t think its rocket science. We’ve got the squad to challenge and we will with a few tweaks. Maybe a brave call or two from the manager
I was either being optimistic or naive. Probably both.Slowly?
Your emotion is just getting in the way of what's sensible here. I personally don't think they will improve, I have zero faith in them. But, logically speaking, keeping them on board while undermining them, even in a small way, makes no sense whatsoeverver. They should be backed 100% til its time to go, at which point the Board should act quickly. Any sort of halfway house where you keep them on but make their jobs a bit more stressful is self defeating.
Patients have taken over the asylum.
Its just depressing at this point
After Giggs left Van Gaal's staff, I missed seeing a club legend on the bench. Glad they will tie down Carrick for the long term.
Mckenna is pretty highly rated on here by the youth experts, right ? He was building a nice career for himself over there before being trust into the first team, so I guess that's good news.
Maybe they simply can't have as much influence as they'd like to have because ultimately, Ole is the boss. But the longer they stay here, the better prepared they would be for taking on the job one day...
Mckenna is pretty highly rated on here by the youth experts, right ? He was building a nice career for himself over there before being trust into the first team, so I guess that's good news.
Maybe they simply can't have as much influence as they'd like to have because ultimately, Ole is the boss. But the longer they stay here, the better prepared they would be for taking on the job one day...
They should be backed if they deliver results, not rewarded just because. As other posters in this thread mentioned, this would only encourage them to continue what they're doing. Why would you perform any better if your job is not under threat? People perform better when they are under pressure because they are FORCED to deliver results. Why would Carrick and McKenna care any more right now? They've already signed their contracts, they'll get their millions at the end if they get sacked, no problem for them. Set for life. This is not how you encourage your employees to perform better.
Christ, spoken like a true Tory. Personally, I totally disagree with the notion, people work at their best when they're secure.
Which one is Curly again?
The sad thing is I can actually see this happening!
To be expected after Solskjaer and Phelan's extensions. Definitely supports the assertion that the club are looking to keep Ole here beyond this season.
The club is in the gutter
I wish I could have a job like them where mediocracy is being rewarded by bumper deals.
Ole probably had a hand in this. Oh well they will all sink or swim together. Fasten down the battens boys it will be one hell of a ride!
I don’t see why some are getting so vexed over it, they aren’t exactly on players wages.
It’s a relatively easy and inexpensive vote of confident from the board. Im not sure what their current contract term is but perhaps it’s due for renewal soon anyway.
It doesn’t change much in reality, so people can go back to willing us to lose so they can get a shiny new manager. Go on… nothing to see here
It’s a relatively easy and inexpensive vote of confident from the board. Im not sure what their current contract term is but perhaps it’s due for renewal soon anyway.
It doesn’t change much in reality, so people can go back to willing us to lose so they can get a shiny new manager. Go on… nothing to see here
It's just high command sending a couple of cigars to the officers before the signal to go over the top and charge the machine guns. Next couple of months will be brutal so everyone has to go into it with all the confidence they can drum up. The odds are firmly against us but it isn't over until the last man falls.
I’m beginning to think the club just autorenews everyone at the club who’s contract is set to expire - the manager, players, coaches, the kit man, the tea lady, etc.
You've got to love that line of thought; make the commoners scared of losing their job and they'll work harder.“Alright lads, just keep smiling and expressing yourself for the next four years”
There‘s a difference in top end sport where it’s a tangible results business and one year of work will set someone up, financially, for life. There’s absolutely no reason at all for United to have such unproven coaches on more than two years of contract at any time. That can probably apply to more proven coaches, too. Around the world there’s probably only five coaches maximum who would warrant more than two years (Nagelsmann, Pep, Klopp, Tuchel).
I think people need to chill and get some perspective. Some decisions are obviously massive and can make or break a season or even have a lasting knock on effect for years (like signing Ronaldo?) Some are really small but can make the club a nicer place to work day to day such as these deals.
If Ole gets fired their compensation pales in comparison to how much we’ve already lost on glazer dividends, super league payouts, creep agents, crap players and other managers and their staff whose names nobody remembers. We’ve definitely paid far worse people a lot more than we’d ever be giving someone like Mike Phelan after all his years of service. Ditto McKenna and Carrick. I’ve also lost count of the amount of international breaks we’ve gone into in “crisis mode” Us getting hung up about it online never changed a damn thing. That goes for when Fergie was in charge too. These things either find a way to get fixed behind the scenes or the manager gets fired.
Truth be told we probably still aren’t hardworking, consistent or ruthless enough to win a league anyway and that’s disappointing for sure. maybe a different manager is the next step but in the meantime begrudging someone a contract while we are going through a rough patch but also while we’ve shown improvement year after year seems quite petty to me. If they don’t improve or compete this year they’ll most likely be gone. Not much more to say about it. You have to back them and hope they can improve and turn it around again when things are a bit shit too. Take the rough with the smooth and the entertaining with the confusing. These things aren’t always linear and it’s always a work in progress.
Its hard being a utd fan post Fergie but just look at Arsenal or Liverpool until Klopp. Nothing is guaranteed. Indecisive owners sacking managers and back to square one over and over. Trial and error. Lots of messing up and false dawns and wasted cash. It’s par for the course. If you aren’t financially doping like Chelsea or City you have to cut some corners and have some faith at some point. So as long as we are still improving each season I’m happy.
Posters keep repeating the same in every thread
It means nothing. They'll still be out if things continue to get worse.
I feel like Ole will be given until next season to deliver a title.
If he fails, the board would either bring in a big name manager again, or I guess it would be the Mckenna show with Carrick as his first assistant in 2023. I wouldn't rule it out given everything that has happened post Fergie.
Yes let's miss out on the likes of Ten Hag and Rose whilst we keep faith with this lot. Let the other clubs take them. This club won't win the league in the near to medium future. All because the people running the club can't see what's plainly obvious to the average fan. feck me.
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