Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[UnitedSofa]

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[Eriku]

Indeed, the irony is that if Ole had the managerial ability to win a League Cup, a Europa League or an FA Cup, it’d be the likes of you and Eriku etc who’d be the first to claim it was a great achievement and a signal that he was succeeding.

And of course, you’d be right… for the same reason that as of now, you’re wrong.

Oh really? Tell me more about my stance?

For the record, I am having serious doubts about whether Ole’s reached his limit right now. I just wouldn’t want to fire him yet because you could have made an argument for that based on last season’s start, and clearly it would have been premature. We’re barely off and running this season.

It’s poor form to assume you know what other people are thinking, and how they would react.

 

[Water Melon]

Does Ole deserve the sack if we are 10+ points below league leaders come January, or do we still consider ourselves to be title challengers?

 

[Amir]

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So? If you had to be a successful coach in order to analyze football and football coaches, there would be almost no one to do it.

You can be a crap coach and still understand football.

 

[Amir]

Why are some of you so salty about what Danny Blind said? Do all of you disagree with what he said in the interview then?

It is harder to deny the truth when someone with the pedigree of Blind says exactly what many supporters say.

 

[rotherham_red]

It is harder to deny the truth when someone with the pedigree of Blind says exactly what many supporters say.

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Such great managerial pedigree...

 

[Amir]

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Such great managerial pedigree...

Excellent footballer. European cup winner. But what would he know.

Now, the manager relegated and sacked by Cardiff - That's a different story!

 

[rotherham_red]

It is harder to deny the truth when someone with the pedigree of Blind says exactly what many supporters say.

Well, it would help if he could actually do the job himself well.

Especially considering his own friend and former colleague LvG being objectively worse in the same role as Ole despite very much having a plan of his own.

You don't progress a club from 6th to 2nd in 2 full seasons despite many people saying you aren't cut out for the role and that you'd be out of a job by next Xmas every year, if you didn't have a plan. It's pretty much basic common sense.

 

[rotherham_red]

Excellent footballer. European cup winner. But what would he know.

Now, the manager relegated and sacked by Cardiff - That's a different story!

Erm, you do know that this would be *equally* relevant to OGS, don't you? You do know that, right? Please tell me you know that. Please?

 

[tenpoless]

It’s an official term, as most football fans with even a moderate amount of intellect know…

The Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup are major trophies - as are the PL and CL.

It means ‘proper trophy’ - google ‘major football trophies’ and a suitably simple explanation should arrive pretty swiftly.

But can Daley Blind do it on a rainy day at Molde?

 

[Amir]

Erm, you do know that this would be *equally* relevant to OGS, don't you? You do know that, right? Please tell me you know that. Please?

Yes, I do. And that means he may be able to understand and analyze as well as Blind. Just like he might not be right for management in this level, just like Blind.

 

[rotherham_red]

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Good read

 

[VP89]

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You don't need to be a top manager to know when a team looks poor, to be fair.

 

[rotherham_red]

Yes, I do. And that means he may be able to understand and analyze as well as Blind. Just like he might not be right for management in this level, just like Blind.

Let's wait and see on that one considering he's already outperformed and set the club in much better foundations than two of the best European club managers in the last 40 years.

 

[united_99]

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Good read

Indeed.

While we need to make a change if results don’t improve, people have started to take the top 4 finish for granted.
„Anyone could finish top 4 with United“.
Then why did Jose and LvG - much more experienced managers - fail to do it? And why could LvG not get out of an easy CL group?
Our squad is very good now, but it wasn’t 1,5 or 2 seasons ago and it was actually paper thin on quality.

People need to be careful (but obviously most won’t). 3 CL spots will go to our 3 rivals. So only 1 spot left. Our next manager(s) are as likely to seriously challenge for the title as they are to finish 5th or below.
As I said we need to change things and try something else if the current set-up doesn’t work out. But I roll my eyes every time people simply assume that everything good under Ole is bound to remain good while everything bad will improve. So no way we could finish worse than 3rd or 2nd.

If it was that easy we would not have finished worse than that since we started investing heavily once SAF retired.

 

[Adisa]

Apparently, only deluded knee jerking Caftards say this. There is none as blind ad he who will not see.

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[Adisa]

This was a bit of a strange interview. I agree with pretty much everything Blind has said here, but then the last line he says that no matter what you think of Ole now isn't the time to change, which is weird if you read the rest of the interview he's basically saying Ole isn't up to it without using those words.

He has said basically what I have been saying. Ole isn't up to it but the available options have serious questionatks about being the right fit. Better to wait until you can get the right man.
Find it funny how no one is even debating the point me made and just going for the "he was a shit manager" angle. Very original.

 

[rotherham_red]

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[Cloud7]

It’s very stupid that people are saying because Blind was a poor manager that he can’t comment on another underperforming manager. By that logic only Pep, Klopp, Conte and Zidane can judge the performance of another manager?

 

[Cloud7]

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What does his performance as a manager have to do with him commenting on Ole? Does he have to be a better manager to comment?

 

[Pexbo]

It’s very stupid that people are saying because Blind was a poor manager that he can’t comment on another underperforming manager. By that logic only Pep, Klopp, Conte and Zidane can judge the performance of another manager?

Are they the only managers in world football that aren’t “poor”?

 

[RORY65]

It’s very stupid that people are saying because Blind was a poor manager that he can’t comment on another underperforming manager. By that logic only Pep, Klopp, Conte and Zidane can judge the performance of another manager?

Exactly. I'm not sure how relevant posting Blind's quotes multiple times in here is, I broadly agree with him without needing someone with his status to back up my opinion but suggesting it has no basis because he wasn't a good manager himself or worse than Frank De Boer would indicate that nobody on here is worthy of giving an opinion.

Pointing out that he was worse than De Boer so his opinion is worthless is particularly rich when you think that Ole was significantly worse at Cardiff than Malky Mackay, who was the previous manager, and I don't think anyone on here would want him as our next manager (even if it wasn't for the shitty things he was caught saying).

 

[Cloud7]

Are they the only managers in world football that aren’t “poor”?

I’m trying to understand the level you need to be at to comment on the performance of another manager.

Do you have to have won a league?
Saved your team from relegation?
Won a cup?

What’s the criteria? I’m asking because people said the same thing about Neville, that he should not comment on Ole because his tenure at Valencia was a disaster.

 

[Amir]

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Again - So what? So if your not a great manager - or had one bad international stint - you cannot understand football?

That leaves almost no one to talk about it.

 

[Pexbo]

I’m trying to understand the level you need to be at to comment on the performance of another manager.

Do you have to have won a league?
Saved your team from relegation?
Won a cup?

What’s the criteria? I’m asking because people said the same thing about Neville, that he should not comment on Ole because his tenure at Valencia was a disaster.

I think the point is there isn’t really a criteria you need to reach to comment on other managers performances, more a case of the opposite - that when you’ve been demonstrably bad at managing yourself you reach a criteria that disqualifies you from critiquing others.

 

[Cloud7]

I think the point is there isn’t really a criteria you need to reach to comment on other managers performances, more a case of the opposite - that when you’ve been demonstrably bad at managing yourself you reach a criteria that disqualifies you from critiquing others.

I disagree. Just because someone wasn’t a good manager doesn’t disqualify you from critiquing others. Again Neville was one of the best defenders around for 20 years, played under the best manager in the world. Just because he failed as a manager that doesn’t mean he can’t criticize someone else. I’m not seeing why those two things are meant to be connected.

 

[laughtersassassin]

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You don't have to be a good manager to criticise another manager. What he said is hardly unpopular.

We dont control games.

 

[Sviken]

Erm, you do know that this would be *equally* relevant to OGS, don't you? You do know that, right? Please tell me you know that. Please?

As people told you, you don't need to be a top manager to understand football or that a manager isn't doing his job very well. Same as you don't need to be an actual filmmaker to understand if the movie you're watching is crap or not. And let's not talk about managerial legacies because Ole isn't the shiniest of examples you could pick from.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

Ah...that’s the spirit...find any reason not to focus on the fact that we can’t actually argue with any of what he said...that will move is forward!

Danny Blind has been a serial failure as a Manager. It's laughable he thinks he's in a position to give a critique on any other Managers. It's also highly unprofessional to publicly attack a Manager in this way - and he's doing it because he's got a vested interest in trying to get Donny playing (or a transfer) so he's useful for the Netherlands. It's not objective criticism.

He also uses City as the yard stick to measure United's current performance. City are on the back of a decade of dominance, who ever was managing United will still be playing catch up. We can't rapidly go from the lows we've been to, to being comparible to the best team in Europe.

We know where improvements are needed and there's every chance we'll see that happen.

 

[Dinghy]

I'm not Ole out, but I've got no problem seeing what Blind is getting at. People forget so quickly though that we've made decent progress every season under Ole, and he doesn't deserve to be sacked after 10 games, being two points off the top. His by far biggest mistake is not signing that one stabilizing midfielder that will do the defensive work while being able to pick a pass and until we do we'll struggle to improve on where we are right now, no matter who's the manager.

 

[Ayoba]

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If anything, the fact that he was an utter failure makes his opinion ever so relevant. What's that saying, takes one to know one...

 

[Zen86]

I don’t see why anyone should really give a shit about what Danny Blind says. The Dutch have a habit of getting a bit defensive, at the moment it’s about the indignity of VdB sitting in the bench.

 

[Amir]

Danny Blind has been a serial failure as a Manager. It's laughable he thinks he's in a position to give a critique on any other Managers. It's also highly unprofessional to publicly attack a Manager in this way - and he's doing it because he's got a vested interest in trying to get Donny playing (or a transfer) so he's useful for the Netherlands. It's not objective criticism.

I believe Blind had two stints as manager within about a decade, one at Ajax and the other in the national team. I wouldn't call that a 'serial failure'. Certainly not one that makes his views on football, footballing coaching and footballer coaches irrelevant.

I also firmly the believe that the cult of Solskjaer would find a way to dimish the value of opinion of anyone who would voice something criticising our football.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

I believe Blind had two stints as manager within about a decade, one at Ajax and the other in the national team. I wouldn't call that a 'serial failure'. Certainly not one that makes his views on football, footballing coaching and footballer coaches irrelevant.

I also firmly the believe that the cult of Solskjaer would find a way to dimish the value of opinion of anyone who would voice something criticising our football.

Any Manager that fails to win the league at Ajax is considered a failure.

As Netherlands Manager he failed to qualify for the Euros. And in the following world cup qualifying campaign Netherland were staring down the barrel of mot qualifying for that either, until they sacked him.

And you've managed to ignore the points I've made about it being unprofessional for him to attack a Manager in this way in the media, he is not objective due to his vested interest, and the comparison to City is ridiculous.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Does Ole deserve the sack if we are 10+ points below league leaders come January, or do we still consider ourselves to be title challengers?

That would all depend if you're an inner or an outer because between the 2 groups there'll be vastly different answers.

 

[Amir]

And you've managed to ignore the points I've made about it being unprofessional for him to attack a Manager in this way in the media, he is not objective due to his vested interest, and the comparison to City is ridiculous.

That's exactly what I mean when I say people will always find a way to rule out the opinion of anyone who criticises Solskjaer. There's absolutely no way of telling if VDB is a factor in his thoughts at all.

As we know quite well, you don't need to be a dutchman in order to think that about our football.

People should counter what Blind is saying. Not Blind himself or his right to say it.

 

[tenpoless]

If we refuse to listen to Danny Blind then we should be fair and refuse to listen to Gary Neville aswell, if we go by their managerial careers. Easy peasy but nobody will ever talk about it.

 

[Tony247]

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Such great managerial pedigree...

You don't need to be a successful film director to tell that a movie stinks. Understanding basic nuances of a subject matter and been successfully implemented it can be two different things. That is how critics work, be it movies, books, sports, painting etc.

You don't need a footballing career to understand visible problems in united team. In fact if one doesn't recognize the problems then it is a reflection on his/her understanding of football.

Blind didn't pull some miraculous analysis out of his hat. He said only obvious to most of us.

 

[Bebestation]

I can understand that some people have given up on him already.

The only reason I'm going to wait until January is the " I can't see what style we are playing" QUOTE.

How we play is predominantly dictated by the midfield and the midfield has to be fixed to some degree by the Janaury transfer window (if he doesn't then he probably is shooting himself in the foot and deserves the sack).

So I'm going to wait to see who he brings, how we play with this new midfield. If it works then good - we should have a bit more of a style too. If not then unfortunately alot of us are going to struggle to back Ole anymore.

 

[Adisa]

That would all depend if you're an inner or an outer because between the 2 groups there'll be vastly different answers.

Think the In group have already absolved him of failing to challenge this season.
I am somewhat in the middle. No matter how far or close we are, the timing of his departure should depend entirely on the availability of a proper replacement.