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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Danny Blind is a pundit on Dutch Sports channel Ziggo Sports, who hold the EPL tv rights in Holland.
The Blind hate in this thread was ridiculous. He was a pundit for that match, and some of the logic being used is just horrendous.
People shouldnt listen to Gary Neville either and aren't allowrd to criticise or have opinions at all clearly, as none of us are professional managers (I believe).
What Blind said was spot on despite his bad managerial career, it is very hard to fight against and that probably is the reason for all this deflection.
People shouldnt listen to Gary Neville either and aren't allowrd to criticise or have opinions at all clearly, as none of us are professional managers (I believe).
What Blind said was spot on despite his bad managerial career, it is very hard to fight against and that probably is the reason for all this deflection.
I’m getting second hand embarassment from people discrediting Blind using his managerial record, while defending Ole who has a disastrous CV aswell. If a failed manager like Blind isn’t worthy of an opinion, how is the guy who relegated Cardiff worthy of managing United?!
People on here s**t on McFred weekly in order to defend Ole, but I doubt anyone on Redcafe was/is an international midfielder. Anything to defend our precious Ole.
People on here s**t on McFred weekly in order to defend Ole, but I doubt anyone on Redcafe was/is an international midfielder. Anything to defend our precious Ole.
At this point, the only people who have a problem with these comments are fanatical Ole fans. As night follows day, the evidence is on show every single week.
Everything people have been crying out for saying things will miraculously change we've done it. "Maguire needs a partner for the defence to shine", we add Champions League Varane, and the defence is still a calamity.
"Varane,Sancho,Kane win the league". We go one step further, bring in the goat and he's been feeding on scraps ever since he walked through the door. Exactly like Cavani was last year.
We've somehow now got a squad with Ronaldo, Cavani, Sancho, Greenwood, Bruno, Pogba, Varane. To be so bad with this much peak talent at your disposal, it makes my eyes bleed.
Imagine this Utd team more than the sum of its parts, it's a scary thought. Shame that's all we can do.
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Spot on there from Blind. I am grateful for the work Ole did here but it's painfully obvious that he's out of his depth now.
Steadied the ship, didn't agitate for short term transfers of players over the hill (remember Perisic and Willian?). Instilled a good mentality in the players and improved several (Shaw, Fred, Rashy, Greenwood). Club cleaned up the scouting system in the background. All the while he delivered top four and took on all the heat and criticism. Can you imagine Conte with Pereira / Lingard as his #10s?
Given we have Ronaldo for a very limited period of time I hope we don't wait until the end of the season before making a change. Take a leaf out of Chelsea's playbook. Conte, Mancini, Ten Hag, Potter, anyone would be able to do more than Ole with this squad.
Get Conte on a short term (~2y) deal and see how it goes.
Steadied the ship, didn't agitate for short term transfers of players over the hill (remember Perisic and Willian?). Instilled a good mentality in the players and improved several (Shaw, Fred, Rashy, Greenwood). Club cleaned up the scouting system in the background. All the while he delivered top four and took on all the heat and criticism. Can you imagine Conte with Pereira / Lingard as his #10s?
Given we have Ronaldo for a very limited period of time I hope we don't wait until the end of the season before making a change. Take a leaf out of Chelsea's playbook. Conte, Mancini, Ten Hag, Potter, anyone would be able to do more than Ole with this squad.
Get Conte on a short term (~2y) deal and see how it goes.
I wonder who else are we waiting for? The best ones are already taken and settled (ie Pep, Klopp, Tuchel etc), we probably won’t get anyone better than the ones who are available at the market right now (ie Zidane, Conte).
Sometimes I randomly watch YouTube videos of nuclear bombs going off… from now I’m just gonna bookmark the quoted post and read it whenever I want to see annihilation‘Counting trophies’ is how success is judged at clubs like Utd.
That’s why you chose ‘united 99’ as your username
You didn’t choose it because Alex Ferguson had a nice smile, did you - you chose it because Utd won 3 major trophies that season.
And that’s why Ole’s reign as Utd manager is viewed as a failure by everyone in the footballing World who isn’t a simpering, nostalgic moron.
If he’d won a couple of trophies by now - which he should have - then he wouldn’t be under such pressure right now. Because ultimately, at clubs like Utd - trophies are what matters.
That was and is Fergie’s view also btw. It isn’t anything new at Utd.
Indeed, the irony is that if Ole had the managerial ability to win a League Cup, a Europa League or an FA Cup, it’d be the likes of you and Eriku etc who’d be the first to claim it was a great achievement and a signal that he was succeeding.
And of course, you’d be right… for the same reason that as of now, you’re wrong.
Because counting trophies is what matters.
When you can’t debate the message so instead attack the messenger.
Honestly don’t get why people get so emotional when defending Ole. If Blind said “SAF was not a very good manager” I’d easily prove my point as to why I think he is wrong, I wouldn’t get all emotional about it as if criticising SAF was the same as insulting a defenceless child. If people really think what Blind said about Ole is wrong they will have the ability to express it rationally and in footballing terms.
But it’s funny how last season it was fans saying it, now you have footballing people saying it from Neville to Blind and many other pundits are saying it.
Funny how lots of people always say fans can't judge managers because they don't have the right credentials and yet Blind, who is a bad manager is wrong according to them. If anything he should recognise a bad manager given his track record
He can be a shit manager and still give valid opinions. I don't see anything wrong with what he said.
Also great manager won't have time to be pundits covering league, it's only failed managers or players who weren't managers will be pundits. If we go by "failed manager can't have opinion on other managers" logic then no one should talk about top managers, no fan should talk about football.
Also ability to analyse is a different skill than managing. Not every good analyst can be good manager.
If you really think Ole cares more about continuing as United manager than whether the club is competitive then I really don’t know what to say.
The ONE active player that aligned with MUST and spoke against the Glazer take-over. The player that never complained about being on the bench despite having every right to feel aggrieved. The man even insisted his testimonial be a competitive match so as to help the team’s pre-season.
You guys are nuts.
It is a weak logic and one if followed to its completeness, would mean shutting down all football forums. It makes no sense and is pure deflection.Funny how lots of people always say fans can't judge managers because they don't have the right credentials and yet Blind, who is a bad manager is wrong according to them. If anything he should recognise a bad manager given his track record
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Zidane and Conte are probably not the right fit.
Matic and Pogba have only played in midfield one game this season together.
It was the 4-1 win vs Newcastle.
Just saying.
I think I will wait until Matic is replaced in January because it needs to be done.
It was the 4-1 win vs Newcastle.
Just saying.
I think I will wait until Matic is replaced in January because it needs to be done.
I'm still Ole in personally.
You can't sack someone 7 games into the league for possibly not being good enough. We started slow last year, let's give it time and wait for credible reasons to sack a manager mid season.
That being said, he really should be challenging for the title this year. The lack of midfield is a weak excuse in my opinion.
Ole has turned it round 2 seasons running, and some posters ended up with egg on their face in a Wumminator name and shame threads. It wouldn't surprise me to see similar come Christmas.
You can't sack someone 7 games into the league for possibly not being good enough. We started slow last year, let's give it time and wait for credible reasons to sack a manager mid season.
That being said, he really should be challenging for the title this year. The lack of midfield is a weak excuse in my opinion.
Ole has turned it round 2 seasons running, and some posters ended up with egg on their face in a Wumminator name and shame threads. It wouldn't surprise me to see similar come Christmas.
He has not turned anything around at any period. He has one of the most expensive squads on the planet and is yet to win a trophy, years into his tenure. He is yet to show a style of football that can be associated with trophy winning football.
Just because he has some good period of results doesn't mean he is proving people wrong. This team is just that good. Every team has periods of good form, fhe best teams employ a style and approach which provides the platform for them do it more consistently, to the point where they win major silverware
Also this reaction isn't based on 7 games, as has been mentioned countless times on here. It's 3 years of the same patterns
This idea that Ole should not be sacked because United are two points off the top is ludicrous. So are Everton and Brighton with far inferior squads. Two weeks ago, the argument was that we are joint top. The trend is undeniably downwards. We will be cut adrift by the middle of November.
We have had just two convincing wins this season: against Leeds who are 16th in the table and against Newcastle who are 19th (and even in those games we allowed the opposition to level the scores at 1-1). We have not been 2-0 up against any team this season.
We have had just two convincing wins this season: against Leeds who are 16th in the table and against Newcastle who are 19th (and even in those games we allowed the opposition to level the scores at 1-1). We have not been 2-0 up against any team this season.
Well I guess objectivity is out of the question for this post
I don’t think it’s a great look to «turn things around» only to find yourself regressing to a similar situation every time.
Nothing wrong at all with what Danny Blind said. It's basically what the majority of people are saying bar some of the extreme Ole loyalists.
Ole needs to improve and if he does, that will shut up a lot of us and mean United are doing well. I'm more than happy for that to happen.
If he doesn't he needs to be replaced by someone who can - just like any other manager in football would be.
Ole needs to improve and if he does, that will shut up a lot of us and mean United are doing well. I'm more than happy for that to happen.
If he doesn't he needs to be replaced by someone who can - just like any other manager in football would be.
It's Sportbible, so not surprising but people taking that headline as fact
It's 15 days from Ronaldo's last start to qualifier game, so obviously he will play the friendly game to keep his sharpness, it has nothing to do with Ole or ManUtd.
Suddenly the universe is turning against Ole. Wouldnt be surprised if he finds more sugar in his Coffee than usual. Conspiracy I'm telling ya!
Though I agree with both of you, neither are valid reasons for sacking a manager midseason after extending his contract only 3 months ago.
I know what you mean. I’m not his biggest fan either(Portuguese manager). The point I was getting across was that he said he wouldn’t be able to use him for two games as he’s not match fit. Hence why he got subbed off. So there is sense to what he did.
Whether it’s common sense, probably not
So according to the 'Ole in' crew, no living Dutch manager can criticise Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
As opposed to our manager who simply can't stop winning trophies
I can't wait for his reign to be over just so the children can stop branding each other Ole In or Ole Out, like it''s a bad thing backing your manager or a bad thing thinking he's not doing a good job. The division between the fans is so unbelievably unnecessary, we support the same club, we're on the same side.
A number of people in the "Ole in" crew have stated that Danny Blind’s not exactly wrong. No need to tar everybody with that brush just because a few people are mocking Blind for having an opinion.
It won't be any different when the next manager comes in. It's been that way since AFTV started it with Wenger.
It’s funny to see people who still think Ole’s the man try to discredit Blind’s opinion because he wasn’t a very good manager, while believing that their opinion matters and is the right one, despite being someone on an internet forum who has never managed a football team apart from possibly their own kid’s under 9 side.
The “opinions that matter” pyramid, according to them:
- Successful football managers (but they’re twats if they comment negatively on a colleague while still active)
- Random blokes who have never managed a football club but are positively geared towards Ole
- Professional players and managers who didn’t have extremely successful careers
- Pundits, regardless of previous experience in football
- The rest
The “opinions that matter” pyramid, according to them:
- Successful football managers (but they’re twats if they comment negatively on a colleague while still active)
- Random blokes who have never managed a football club but are positively geared towards Ole
- Professional players and managers who didn’t have extremely successful careers
- Pundits, regardless of previous experience in football
- The rest
He can be sacked at any time. Just look at Jose.
We are vibes FC. Ole thinks if you sign the best players you win games. We have absolutely zero way of playing the players don’t know what to do half the time. The good thing is Ronaldo won’t stand for it!
Ole is not going anywhere yet. Yes Utd play alot of crappy football quite often but Ole still has time to get it right. If he totally screws the season he might be gone in the summer. If he doesn't win something in the next two years he will be gone anyway. I am sure he will continue to strengthen the squad and, if a new manager comes in at some point then, Utd will be in a good position.
Jose has made a career out of it.
If he doesn't win anything this season he should be gone. Heck he should already be gone but will be given the season before he's inevitably sacked. To give him two more years to prove himself is just insanity. Ronaldo would have fecked off/retired by then, and some of our stay players would probably have looked to engineer moves away from the club in that time too.
Then we'll be spending our time defending Ole than agreeing with Blind. I don't know why it is so hard for some to accept the truth.
Ole will not get it right. He is seen as one of the boys, I do not think the players rate him .I think they respect him but for me they see him as an walkover.We need someone who has been there done that got the tea shirt. I would love that to have been one of our own but unfortunately there is no one out there associated with the club who has the credentials. Conte it is then at least we would be hard to beat.looking at the upcoming fixtures we could be mid table in the next 4/5 weeks.
It’s just a nonsense argument. It makes absolutely no logical sense. It’s basically a defense mechanism, in that some people don’t like what he’s saying and instead of engaging in the actual content of what he said, they launch into an ad hominem attack on the individual who said it because he hasn’t reached some arbitrary standard as a manager himself. So if he had won the Champions League that would somehow give him carte blanche to say whatever he wanted, regardless of how ridiculous it may have been, because “well, he’s won the Champions League - he must know what he’s talking about!”
I mean if you disagree with the content of what he’s saying then that’s fine. When he talks about us not having an identity, for me, he’s right. I don’t know how the feck we’re going to play from one week to the next. When he says Ole has no tactical plan, I disagree there. We have a clear tactical plan against some teams, and sometimes it works to great effect. So I don’t agree with him there. But the fact that Blind is not at the top of the game himself so therefore everything he says can be ignored is just nonsense logic.
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