Ten Hag will join Barca. As usual, we will just be slow to get our act together and end up with another misfit of a manager.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Possibly, I was shit at maths any way
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in my view we should convince someone from the list of Ten Haag, Zidane, Mancini or Luis Enrique to do our manager job next.
@devilish for some reason doesn't like Ten Haag and so is looking to put him down all the time. For ex his jibe ignores how well his Ajax have done in CL. He always uses Eridivise to knock him, but never acknowledges his CL success (relatively speaking). He has an agenda against him.
Did he win anything outside the Dutch league? If yes then I apologize.
Ah you mentioned the CL. So let me have a quick look at that. He didn't qualify in the group in his first year, he reached the semi final in 2018-2019 (we'll analyse that later on) and they failed to qualify from the CL group stage in 2019-2020 only to end up knocked out by the mighty Getafe in the Europa League.
But lets have a look at the 2018-2019 CL Campaign. Ajax qualified second in a group whom they should have been second or third in (their competitor for second place was Benfica). Then they met Real who lost Zidane and Ronaldo that summer + they ended up switching not 1 or 2 but 3 managers in a year. Finally they have beaten Juventus who was crippled with injuries (Chiellini, Douglas, Mandzukic and Dybala walking out in the 45 minute) and was during Allegri's final year. I assure you Juventus really wanted Allegri out during that year and the situation was pretty toxic at the time. So this Ten Haag isn't exactly sending SAF's Aberdeen or Mou's Porto vibes out there, at least not yet.
I have nothing against the guy. However the EPL is not the farmer's league Ten Haag is used to and we're certainly not the best team for someone to make his bones in. We've seen Holland's next big thing manage at top clubs and fail spectacularly. De Boer for example won 4 farmer league titles there. He lasted 85 days at Inter and 450 minutes of game time at Palace. Mou called him the worst manager in EPL history.
This is Manchester United we're talking about. Our board of directors has no idea of how football is played, our manager pretty much does everything and our players has huge egos and so few trophies to justify it all.
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You'd put money on the defence being impregnable with Bruce
He literally done everything Ole currently has and does. But he is proven both at a higher level and is a better coach
I note the below posts from some of the caf's Ajax fans:
I'm not sure what you're basing the De Boer comparison on other than them being the same nationality and managing the same team. By which logic David Moyes is comparable to SAF. Whereas these actual Ajax fans who watch the team under both seem to note quite the difference.
I worry that we've gone too far down the 'Utd way' path to turn back. If Graham Potter had ties to the club he'd be a shoe-in.
Steve Bruce it is then. He'll likely be available soon. Maybe he's this mythical coach/assistant Ole needs to make up for all his deficiencies and will magically make everything better.
How far? And what have we done to justify that?
Is hiring Van Gaal, Jose and unproven Ole United way?
Joking aside, I think he'd improve us defensively.
How far - To the tune of appointing Ole, Carrick, McKenna, Phelan, Fletcher.
In my opinion, it hasn't been justified yet.
I'm merely musing what the thoughts of the board may be if/when the time comes to replace Ole.
How is appointing them United way?
Also why is McKenna clubbed with others? Did you read the post by @limerickcitykid (IIRC) on McKenna's qualification?
Also how do you know which coach os good or bad when we have 0 access to what their role is or how much they are involved.
Imo moaning about coaches is moaning for the sake of it. Ole out? I can agree with that entirely.
We've heard endless tripe about how they know the identity of the club, the values etc. - 3 of them are club legends and Phelan was our greatest ever manager's assistant
Of course we will never know which coaches are good/bad but when you have a world class team that is playing sh*t football under inexperienced coaches - it isn't a stretch to question their aptitude.
Throughout 33 years of management, Moyes won 1 Football League Second Division and a Charity Shield. In 33 years of management Sir Alex won the SPL with St Mirren, 3 SPL titles, 4 Scottish cups, a cup winners cup, a European Super cup and a Scottish league cup with Aberdeen, 1 CL, 1 cups winners cup, 1 European super cup, 1 Intercontinental cup, 9 EPL titles, 5 FA cups, 2 league cups, 6 Charity Shields with us and he was on his way to win his second CL. On the other hand De Boer won 4 Farmers league titles as opposed to Ten Hag 2 Farmers league titles, they both won 1 Johan Cruyff shield though. So that comparison is painfully wrong.
So here's my say about Ten Hag. There was a time when the Dutch league was among the best in the world and it was far better then the EPL. Van Basten would probably have 50 goals a season if he played in the EPL of the time. Then there was the likes of Gullit and Rijkaard who were comfortably far better then anything the EPL of the time had ever seen. The Dutch football was a frigging gold mine both in terms of talent and ideas. Managers like Cruyff, LVG and Hiddink + players like Gullit, Rijkaard, Van Basten, RVN, RVP, Seedorf, VDS, Davids and co owned some of the finest teams in the world.
But those times are long over. The Dutch league is at a ridiculously low level. Its basically a step better then the Scottish league or the Championship. Every guy with some brains can go there, pick a random side, and win titles. FFS Mclaren did that with Twente. On top of that Ajax has a board of directors who actually know how football work. So its very difficult to understand were their brilliance end and were Ten Hag's brilliance start.
I am not saying that Ten Hag doesn't have potential. All I am saying is that I believe that Manchester United is a step or two too far from him. We're run like a business, our board has no clue what football is and the EPL is far more competitive and different to anything Ten Hag had ever managed in. The likes of LVG, De Boer and Koeman plied their trade in the EPL and it backfired spectacularly for them.
Who do you think is responsible for our playing style? Do you think with same staff and Pep as manager, we will play same way?We've heard endless tripe about how they know the identity of the club, the values etc. - 3 of them are club legends and Phelan was our greatest ever manager's assistant
Of course we will never know which coaches are good/bad but when you have a world class team that is playing sh*t football under inexperienced coaches - it isn't a stretch to question their aptitude.
Or if Ole is City's manager with same coaching staff, they will play possession game?
Coaches (especially whose names are known) are easy targets.
A lot of the noise from within the club is that Ole is a great man manager and the players want to win for him - which I entirely believe. Ole, however is not a first team coach (unlike Pep). SAF also was not a coach, he regularly updated his coaching set up to find new solutions on the pitch.
I think Ole's only hope of redemption, and it's not guaranteed, would be to shake up the personnel in terms of coaching staff. Specifically coaches who know how to instruct the team to break down a low block, wingers making the pitch wide, overlapping fullbacks, coherent team pressing and nurturing/signing a specialist DM etc.
I think we Ole would do better with Pep's coaches, yes. I don't think Pep could work with our current coaches.
Except couple of coaches, Chelsea have same coaching staff under Tuchel and Lampard. City also retained their staff from previous coaches. Do they play the same way or the team reflects manager's vision?
When Klopp's assistant left, people said he was the brain of the team, Klopp's team went on to win PL and CL after he left. Luckily for them they didn't miss the brain.
Coaches are there to carry out manager's instructions. They won't be dictating how the team is set up or how the team plays.
Manager is always the single most important person who dictates the style of play.
To an extent I agree. Ole shouldn't need the best coaches in the world, just like he shouldn't need a team with 7 or 8 world class players, to win a title. I do however think that the only way he can be successful is by bringing in some new ideas, because on evidence the ones we have at present are not good enough to achieve our objectives.
For what it's worth I don't either Ole or his coaches are up to the task.
I'm guessing Scott Mctominay although it's pretty hard to guess 20 years down the line.
World class manager gets their coaches and style of play sorted out pretty quickly when they joined a new club. For Ole, after 3 years in the job, we are still talking about getting the right coaches and style of play.
"Trust the process"........
In all honesty I don't think we will ever see a style of play from him, as he's said in the past he doesn't do the training it's Carrick and Mckenna who do it. They are both learning on the job and that's evident from the play in games.
If he truly wants to succeed at Utd he should have gotten in more experienced coaches in the summer and started to implement the "United Way".
We can get Steve Bruce, another ex united player turn manager. 
I wish I have 3 years to prove myself in a new job.
I think he takes comfort from the fact that a top 4 finish and qualification to UCL knockouts pretty much guarantees his survival and possibly stay on for as many years as Fergie. And lets face it. With the current squad we have, coupled with the form of Leicester, Arsenal, Spurs et. al. its more difficult to finish outside the top 4 rather than in top 4. We will be stuck in this cycle forever, sadly.
We're not changing manager in a long time, so no idea why this thread even exists... Yeah, i know i'm going to hear it now!
As long as Ole keep United in top 4, he is safe from being sacked.
There's no one out there really available that meets our standards. However, Unai Emery seems to keep getting the better of us with his tactics, maybe he deserves a chance? Not my idea choice but still better than Ole.
No he won't unless he challenges for the title this season he would be gone you don't spend kind of money United have been spending just to scrape into top 4.
Would take Luis Enrique in a heartbeat. Ten Hag is good but i'd rather have a proven coach like Enrique to take us forward. Ten Hag seems like a punt to me.
I think Ole has had his time now. The last two games just emphasised his, and his coaches, lack of tactical nowse. Shame cos I really wanted him to turn out as a good choice. I think the Europa League final did it for me regarding his future.
well I hope you are right and I'm wrong.
what's "meet our standards" ? To know the "United Way" like Ole did ?
I don't believe that at all. The United way is about a method of coaching that involves trust in youth, attacking football, long term continuity planning. With a bias for wingers, width and risk. A number of excellent coaches out there have those exact same values. We simply need to pick from that pool. Not outside of that pool like we did with Van Gaal and Mourinho.
We didn't just scrape into the top 4 with a weaker squad past 2 seasons. Why do people have this ridiculous belief it will suddenly happen now?
By that token, Pioli at AC Milan also gave us a bit of a lesson with a much weaker squad last season, which had bad injury problems too.
I would argue that the Utd way is two fold - the philosophy of the club as regards youth and then the style of play itself. As you stated, the style involves traditional wingers and pace. Arguably, that is a dated footballing philosophy. Wingers and crossing into crowded boxes is inefficient and gives away possession unless the cross is delivered by someone who has shown statistically that they can deliver accurate crosses to an individual who knows exactly where those crosses are going...ie. crossing in the modern game is more rehearsed then just a good delivery and is coached in terms of when and when not to cross. The Utd way worked in a time of less organisation, get the ball in the box and cause havoc.
I say this because the first element of the philosophy-youth...is then dictated by the second- style. Players like Rashford, Elanga, Chong seemingly seen as better prospects for our style than say Gomes or Amad or Shoretire... the Utd way may be holding us back from catching up with the elite coaches in world football and the football their teams are playing.
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