Football coach jailed for 25 years in Dubai over CBD vape oil

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Are you accusing the caf of being too lenient in it's criticism of UK, US or Western politics in general? I know I'm not holding back when I see something in the Westminster or US Politics threads to criticize and I don't have the impression others are either.
a report out today showed that austerity under the cameron govt led to 50,000 deaths. now these people didnt have their hands chopped off, neither were there dead bodies hung from cranes, but in essence their lives were made miserable by the state and they died as a consequence. as someone living in the UK, i just find it odd how people get so angry and conceited about stuff being done by other regimes, but barely raise a whimper (as a people) when its happening on our doorstep.
 

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a report out today showed that austerity under the cameron govt led to 50,000 deaths. now these people didnt have their hands chopped off, neither were there dead bodies hung from cranes, but in essence their lives were made miserable by the state and they died as a consequence. as someone living in the UK, i just find it odd how people get so angry and conceited about stuff being done by other regimes, but barely raise a whimper (as a people) when its happening on our doorstep.
Almost all of the UK posters in the general are extremely critical of the tories, what are you on about?
 

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a report out today showed that austerity under the cameron govt led to 50,000 deaths. now these people didnt have their hands chopped off, neither were there dead bodies hung from cranes, but in essence their lives were made miserable by the state and they died as a consequence. as someone living in the UK, i just find it odd how people get so angry and conceited about stuff being done by other regimes, but barely raise a whimper (as a people) when its happening on our doorstep.
Fair enough. I think this place is better than your average pub about these discussions but I understand your sentiment.
 

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i wasnt trying to make a clever putdown, its interesting you see my comment in that way.
If you used more words to explain yourself in the first place then I might have understood what you meant.

At the time and, even now, attempting to create some kind of equivalence between American drone strikes and my opinion on chopping off the hands of criminals in order to keep society 'safe' makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
 

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I just think it's an insulting word to a group of people (drug addicts) who need help. I had a sister who died from a drug addiction, so when people use the word ‘junkie’ it just gets to me a bit that’s all. I’m probably just being soft.
Didn’t know this, I’m sorry to hear that fella. Drugs are a scourge of this world
 

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I just think it's an insulting word to a group of people (drug addicts) who need help. I had a sister who died from a drug addiction, so when people use the word ‘junkie’ it just gets to me a bit that’s all. I’m probably just being soft.
It was really more of an attempt of humour to describe a person vaping CBD as a terrible drug addict. In a normal context I don't call drug addicts or people with substance abuse junkies. It's something I've struggled with in periods of my life as well just never hard drugs. I'm very sorry to hear about your sister.
 

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It was really more of an attempt of humour to describe a person vaping CBD as a terrible drug addict. In a normal context I don't call drug addicts or people with substance abuse junkies. It's something I've struggled with in periods of my life as well just never hard drugs. I'm very sorry to hear about your sister.
Yeah I thought it was pretty damn funny.

Not to say I don't agree with Elvis' view on the word in a wider context, there's a dehumanising aspect to it and the people who use the word earnestly are usually knobs of the highest order.
 

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Drug policy is the scourge. It's left society largely ignorant on the subject and condemns addicts to the fringes of society, unable or unwilling to seek help due to the potential for criminal charges and negative feedback from friends and family.
Drug policy just manages a problem and allows excuses for those who believe in partaking in drugs of various nature
 

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Drug policy is the scourge. It's left society largely ignorant on the subject and condemns addicts to the fringes of society, unable or unwilling to seek help due to the potential for criminal charges and negative feedback from friends and family.
This is really well said.

Drug policy just manages a problem and allows excuses for those who believe in partaking in drugs of various nature
This is badly said.
 

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:lol: I suspect we will go round in circles
:lol: we may. My point is that current policy keeps the subject on the fringes. So many people are completely ignorant on the subject and simply repeat the drugs are bad mantra. This view tends to be less sympathetic to addicts and pushes them away instead of approaching them with an attitude of understanding and support.

Society needs to have knowledge about illicit drugs to manage their presence effectively. What they do, how they work and realistic insight into the risks associated with recreational use and also abuse. People also need to feel comfortable discussing the topic with friends, family, educators and medical professionals.
 

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More resources wasted on a war that will never be won, poor guys life could be ruined for something which in no way or form can be abused or get you high, wonderful.
He will do jail time because he broke a law, which he shouldn't have, because you can't disrespect any country's laws, regardless of how you feel about them.

If that's his life ruined, it's his doing.
 

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:lol: we may. My point is that current policy keeps the subject on the fringes. So many people are completely ignorant on the subject and simply repeat the drugs are bad mantra. This view tends to be less sympathetic to addicts and pushes them away instead of approaching them with an attitude of understanding and support.

Society needs to have knowledge about illicit drugs to manage their presence effectively. What they do, how they work and realistic insight into the risks associated with recreational use and also abuse. People also need to feel comfortable discussing the topic with friends, family, educators and medical professionals.

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Fair point on abuse v recreational use.
However I think individuals have a different threshold for recreational. My housemate in Amsterdam used to tell himself he was a recreational smoker but he literally smoked mj from the minute he woke up to the minute he would go to sleep. It made him such a paranoid person but he couldn’t see it.

anyway what people take is their choice but I don’t think there is one size fits all solution
 

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He will do jail time because he broke a law, which he shouldn't have, because you can't disrespect any country's laws, regardless of how you feel about them.

If that's his life ruined, it's his doing.
Yes, life is so binary.
 

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Contravening laws or not doing so is pretty binary. Axiomatic enough.
Right but this was the comment you replied to

More resources wasted on a war that will never be won, poor guys life could be ruined for something which in no way or form can be abused or get you high, wonderful.
He's pointing out the stupidity of the law, the nature of CBD oil and the excessiveness of the punishment. It had little to do with what you said.

It would be like if there was a law that anyone who wore flip flops were sentenced to 50 years hard labour, and I commented saying that someone having their life ruined for wearing flip flops, which do no harm, is stupid and unfair.

and you replied with

"He will do jail time because he broke a law, which he shouldn't have, because you can't disrespect any country's laws, regardless of how you feel about them.

If that's his life ruined, it's his doing"
 

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My friend from Dubai, claims that story goes around that guy was dealing, also you went to country like Dubai, do some research and if you did, you automatically accepts certain laws that are way different from west countries.
 

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Fair point on abuse v recreational use.
However I think individuals have a different threshold for recreational. My housemate in Amsterdam used to tell himself he was a recreational smoker but he literally smoked mj from the minute he woke up to the minute he would go to sleep. It made him such a paranoid person but he couldn’t see it.

anyway what people take is their choice but I don’t think there is one size fits all solution
That's a decent example of how drug policy promotes addiction issues. Even in Amsterdam with it's relaxed policy on marijuana use, he was likely not going to share his habits with a physician or other person who could advise him on the risks associated with that level of abuse. The negative attitudes toward illicit drugs keep those conversations from happening. Some progress is being made but it will be a generation before a substance like marijuana is accepted enough in society for people to feel comfortable talking about it. Imagine how long it will take harder drugs to get to that point.

Even here in Canada where possession is legal, I still run into people smoking in public who react negatively, trying to hide the fact that they're smoking a joint. Invariably I want to tell them "relax, it's legal buddy you don't need to feel defensive or ashamed about using that anymore".
 

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Yes, life is so binary.
These people would of course check if all standard medicines prescribed in the UK (or wherever they live) were allowed over there before going on holiday.

In reality its more then likely you would presume its ok like the average person, in this case CBD is a bit different of course as its directly taken from a well known "illegal" drug but there is other examples such as codeine which honestly i probs wouldn't give a second thought if i had it on me.
 

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These people would of course check if all standard medicines prescribed in the UK (or wherever they live) were allowed over there before going on holiday.

In reality its more then likely you would presume its ok like the average person, in this case CBD is a bit different of course as its directly taken from a well known "illegal" drug but there is other examples such as codeine which honestly i probs wouldn't give a second thought if i had it on me.
No no no no no. A simple slip of your mind is definitely worth 25 years in prison. ITS YOUR FAULT.
 

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This probably is more applicable to East/SE Asia (mostly China), but in light of

1. The Opium wars being a prelude to their century of humiliation (which is reflected in their national psyche till today)

2. Emphasizing the collective over the individual

Their zero tolerance for drugs are understandable.
 

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The “backwards country” comments actually make a lot of sense.

In modern countries like the UK you’d be raped, murdered and thrown behind a bush by the responding officer before a case like this even got to trial.

Miles more efficient.
 
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25 years for CBD oil is complete insanity.

(A) It’s clearly not a “drug” and has no recreational value. Boots sell the stuff FFS ‍♂
https://www.boots.com/wellness/cannabidiol-cbd-oil

(B) UK manufacturers need to keep THC content at 0.3% or under to comply with CBD being classified as non-psychoactive, and no, it’s not really all that common for companies to skirt around this.

(C) It’s virtually harmless. CBD ingested orally can potentially interact with some medications, but anyone with a lick of sense will check this first (though either way it’s not relevant to legality, it can just cause certain meds to have an increased/decreased half-life or affect absorption rate. And sublingual tinctures don’t even carry this risk.

(D) A, B and C combined.
 

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The “backwards country” comments actually make a lot of sense.

In modern countries like the UK you’d be raped, murdered and thrown behind a bush by the responding officer before a case like this even got to trial.

Miles more efficient.
The backwards country comments are out of line.
 

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That's a decent example of how drug policy promotes addiction issues. Even in Amsterdam with it's relaxed policy on marijuana use, he was likely not going to share his habits with a physician or other person who could advise him on the risks associated with that level of abuse. The negative attitudes toward illicit drugs keep those conversations from happening. Some progress is being made but it will be a generation before a substance like marijuana is accepted enough in society for people to feel comfortable talking about it. Imagine how long it will take harder drugs to get to that point.

Even here in Canada where possession is legal, I still run into people smoking in public who react negatively, trying to hide the fact that they're smoking a joint. Invariably I want to tell them "relax, it's legal buddy you don't need to feel defensive or ashamed about using that anymore".
I don't know about that, the same issue routinely occurs with alcohol which is legal in most places and has a devastating effect on people who often refuses to seek help or accept that they have a big issue.
 

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My friend from Dubai, claims that story goes around that guy was dealing, also you went to country like Dubai, do some research and if you did, you automatically accepts certain laws that are way different from west countries.
Well well, that would be the first time a drug dealer has lied about being a drug dealer :D
 

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I don't know about that, the same issue routinely occurs with alcohol which is legal in most places and has a devastating effect on people who often refuses to seek help or accept that they have a big issue.
Addicts of all types usually refuse to seek help but you can bet that an alcoholic's doctor knows that they consume it. The same is less likely for users of illicit substances.
 

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Addicts of all types usually refuse to seek help but you can bet that an alcoholic's doctor knows that they consume it. The same is less likely for users of illicit substances.
Aren't we talking about someone seeking help? I don't know a single doctor that wouldn't help an addict whatever the substance, when it comes to seeking help I think that the issue has more to do with people accepting that they have an issue in the first place, then they may seek and accept help. There are millions of alcoholics that can't be helped by their doctors because they refuse to be helped and I don't see why it would be different for other substances.
 

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Right but this was the comment you replied to



He's pointing out the stupidity of the law, the nature of CBD oil and the excessiveness of the punishment. It had little to do with what you said.

It would be like if there was a law that anyone who wore flip flops were sentenced to 50 years hard labour, and I commented saying that someone having their life ruined for wearing flip flops, which do no harm, is stupid and unfair.

and you replied with

"He will do jail time because he broke a law, which he shouldn't have, because you can't disrespect any country's laws, regardless of how you feel about them.

If that's his life ruined, it's his doing"
His opinion of the law (and mine) don't matter. You don't intentionally contravene laws of any country - regardless of how draconian they might be - and expect to be let off the hook.

Being imprisoned for breaking the law isn't unfair or stupid. It's to be expected. Replying with a non-sequeter about how you disagree with another country's law and suggesting that someone who deliberately breaks a law shouldn't face the jail time he's given because you disagree with the law is just risible.
 

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His opinion of the law (and mine) don't matter. You don't intentionally contravene laws of any country - regardless of how draconian they might be - and expect to be let off the hook.

Being imprisoned for breaking the law isn't unfair or stupid. It's to be expected. Replying with a non-sequeter about how you disagree with another country's law and suggesting that someone who deliberately breaks a law shouldn't face the jail time he's given because you disagree with the law is just risible.
I was pointing out that your reply to his comment, had nothing to do with his comment.

He didn’t intentionally break the law

Of course it can be unfair or stupid, unless you think the law is just in every single application? Do you think it was fair that Mandela spent 27 years in prison? Do you think it was fair that Turing was chemically castrated for his sexual orientation? Was it fair that Jean Valjean went to prison for stealing some bread to feed his sister’s starving children?

It was a hypothetical. A non sequitur would be random and disconnected in nature



Are there any countries you are allowed to call backwards?
You can call any country backwards, but due to the complex nature of this kind of thing it’d be hard to do so with any kind of objectivity.