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Just noticed the percentages add up to 101.7. Methinks some chicanery afoot!
I don’t think so. Firstly no-one thinks we should expect to lose those games, especially not Neville. Secondly, even his mates are losing faith at this point; without some big results, there’ll be nobody left to back him.You will have Neville and the other mates saying you cant judge him after those 2 games, hes expected to lose these.
The only way to maximize the cash flow is for the team to win. Otherwise it is a slow death until they eventually sale when the cash cow isn't profitable. They might be thinking short term - sale when things go bad. But that's not really good business because by the time things go bad our value might not be as good as it is now. They got awfully lucky with SAF who managed to keep the club where it was despite them being utterly incompetent, but now they're back down to Earth and it isn't looking pretty. They have no idea what to do and they are dragging the club down. Honestly, if SAF wasn't here, their takeover might have turned incredibly bad for our club (more so than it is) and for themselves as well.See I don't think they are incompetent at all. They are actually incredibly good at achieving their aims. It's just that their aim is to maximise their own cashflow whereas ours as football fans is to win stuff. They take us for fools because we still give them our money. And they are right.
Not really. Matchgoers seems to be happy us being mediocre and win feck all since 4 years now. The cash flow won't stop..The only way to maximize the cash flow is for the team to win. Otherwise it is a slow death until they eventually sale when the cash cow isn't profitable. They might be thinking short term - sale when things go bad. But that's not really good business because by the time things go bad our value might not be as good as it is now. They got awfully lucky with SAF who managed to keep the club where it was despite them being utterly incompetent, but now they're back down to Earth and it isn't looking pretty. They have no idea what to do and they are dragging the club down. Honestly, if SAF wasn't here, their takeover might have turned incredibly bad for our club (more so than it is) and for themselves as well.
I might have played a part in that. Multiple votes are allowed so I voted for both options and I suspect a few others did too. I often feel compelled to act silly in online polls, but usually it's more like voting for the option I view as most wrong. It amuses myself at least.Just noticed the percentages add up to 101.7. Methinks some chicanery afoot!
Yeah we are mediocrity FC and he will not be going anywhere until he fails to hit a minimum targetIn all of his time here public backing hasn't just been for show. They mean it, they won't pull the plug after that renewal. Is this even close to our worst runs of form? The delusion at our club's board level is strong. It's not a fluid situation or anything, they firmly believe they have the right guy.
Spot on and that's my biggest fearHe’ll be gone when it’s too late to redeem anything from this season, and just after the last remaining decent manager has been snapped up by a big club.
I'm now at a point where I can say "F*** all of them" now. I hate nothing more than pundits and journos choosing cowardice instead of saying it like it is; this is not a dictatorship AFAIK.You will have Neville and the other mates saying you cant judge him after those 2 games, hes expected to lose these.
We are currently consistently terrible, I'm not sure if it's even comparable to Wengers Arsenal. He got results against the fodder and had Arsenal playing good football. We're doing neither under Ole at the moment.I don't think he's getting sacked.
We're in Arsenal under Wenger circa 2008-16 mode - not consistently terrible enough to force our largely indifferent owners/Board into making the necessary change, but not consistently good enough to achieve anything significant either. Meanwhile, a large section of the supporters are spitting blood and want the manager gone, while others rally around to defend him, splitting the fanbase down the middle.
Ole could continue for years and years this way, as long as he brings in the 4th place trophy with some regularity.
Just some fun, tried to see if there would be at least 10 threads created about Ole being sacked.I've seen posts like this in a few threads. Excuse the ignorance but what are you talking about?
Criticism. We're a funny club. Always 10 steps behind. The rest of the world will be looking at alternatives for our next manager while we protect our current one and expect things to improve. We'll botch the next appointment too I fear."Protect" him from what exactly? His own mediocrity?
Not even comparable because Arsenal were at least playing good football with an average to decent squad and Wenger was barely spending anything which was used as a big excuse.I don't think he's getting sacked.
We're in Arsenal under Wenger circa 2008-16 mode - not consistently terrible enough to force our largely indifferent owners/Board into making the necessary change, but not consistently good enough to achieve anything significant either. Meanwhile, a large section of the supporters are spitting blood and want the manager gone, while others rally around to defend him, splitting the fanbase down the middle.
Ole could continue for years and years this way, as long as he brings in the 4th place trophy with some regularity.
Management is as much about managing people as the footballing side of things. Don’t know if you’ve ever had to actually manage anyone or anything in your life but the culture you create is vital for any kind of success. Changing a culture is the man management side.Culture builder. Is there any stat with the top 5 Culture builders in Europe? I’m not very familiar with this trait, but maybe we can snatch someone from that list.
I thought coaching was about tactics and man management, but reading redcafe I’ve learned that culture building and vibes are equally if not more important as them. I guess while we live we learn.
The club would say this in public, they always have been like that. I really do hope they are looking at choices behind the scenes because it does not take a rocket scientist to realise Ole is done out here. He will not get us top 4 this season.Fabrizio Romano says he's safe and board isnt contacting any other managers. Take from it what you will. Of course if things go further south soon they'll reconsider it. But I dont expect them to make the move even then but to wait till the last second so to speak to do it.
The fact that we haven't bought a new CDM in three years is not someone else's fault. Matic looked tired even back when Mourinho was here and while McFred have their uses, they never had the look of a world class pair. At least one specialist CDM has been a target since before Ole took over and Fred was always a target for an upgrade too. I can understand not prioritising in the first season, when we had a lot of positions to address, but that excuse has sailed. Its on the management that we failed to address midfield in all that time.It’s really not though, look at the volume of deadwood we had to get rid of before having to pretty much strengthen every area except GK and LW.
It was a huge rebuild, thanks to the mess left by ‘better managers’
The imbalance your referring to this season in particular is brought about by signing three starting 11 players and needing them to hit the ground running, on top of the ever present issue of Pogba/midfield due to the fact we were forced to sign Ronaldo instead of the DM we’ve needed for two years.
G Nev mentioned this a few weeks ago, not that I agree with him all that much recently.
Look, the start this season hasn’t been good enough anyway, I’m not denying that. But the rebuild has been done well for the vast majority.
That's right. Someone said in the media years ago that all transfers have to go to Joel glazer for the final nod that's why if he's unavailable they were taking so long.Him signing off on deals is normal and is the job of the CEO at most clubs. But there is numerous reports that he only does that after getting the go ahead from Joel Glazer who controls every aspect of the club when it comes to the money side.
So the above is normal at most big clubs and we can also say the board/CEO at Bayern, Liverpool, Real Madrid, City etc also sign off on the money when it comes to transfers.
That's right. Someone said in the media years ago that all transfers have to go to Joel glazer for the final nod that's why if he's unavailable they were taking so long.
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Zidane has repeatedly said he has absolutely no interest in the PL, so I would be very surprised if that move ever got off the ground.Sack him now. Bring in Zidane.
Champions League is the key I think.They gave him a 3+1 contract in the summer. He's not going anywhere soon, unless it gets untenable. Strap yourselves in for a long slow death.
Ahhh, that makes way more sense!Just some fun, tried to see if there would be at least 10 threads created about Ole being sacked.
In the end I counted about 5.
Fergie masked the incompetent board, lack of funds, medical staff (so many injuries), incompetent scouting in the last years, even our academy was incompetent in his last years. He was literally holding everything together on his own.Being gifted the greatest manager in history has also cursed us with the most incompetent board in history of football. Now that's karma, balancing of the Universe and what not. fecking hell.
That is too much sense, we will give him a bit too much time where he will be 8th, 20 points off the top , 10 of top 4 and then sack him.IIRC, failing to qualify out of the group would cost us as much as paying him off (£20m) and this is without mentioning potential further wins in the direct elimination stage.
It actually makes business sense to sack him if we fail against Atalanta because the next person can have 3 games to get us out of the group.
I don't expect it to happen, of course, it'd make too much sense.