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...to come to the realisation that Ole was not right for the job? For those that were prepared to give him a chance once he was appointed.

It took a while, about 1 month ago (Sept 2021) in my case. Some are still hanging on to Europa final and second place fumes. But most of them will eventually come around. Except those that will support him into the championship.

So out of random curiosity, when did it dawn on you.
 

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I was supporting him going into this season, getting 2nd, semi final was decent last season even though we didn;t play well.

I got sucked up in Ole's excuses of not having pre season, too many games and what not, so I thought, he didnt have time to coach in between games.

Going into this season, I was done after Southampton game, I knew he will not do anything this season.

When you go away to a struggling team and struggle to assert yourself is a key indicator of how poor a coach one is.

I am now of the opinion that he is the worst manager in the PL at the moment. Other managers can get their team playing in an identity, Ole cant.
 

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...to come to the realisation that Ole was not right for the job? For those that were prepared to give him a chance once he was appointed.

It took a while, about 1 month ago (Sept 2021) in my case. Some are still hanging on to Europa final and second place fumes. But most of them will eventually come around. Except those that will support him into the championship.

So out of random curiosity, when did it dawn on you.
I had serious reservations from the moment we appointed him temporarily, but was willing to accept him for the months until the end of the season. The performances improved initially but I thought it may be a bit of a bounce from Jose leaving. The rest of that season after we fluked the PSG game confirmed it for me. If we'd have stuck with our original plan of taking a period to plan and carefully assess our next appointment at the end of that season, I don't know if Ole would have still got the job. The fact we jumped the gun and just appointed him permanently after the PSG game was a really bad decision (some may argue not because he has rebuilt well in some eyes, though that is questionable for me to some extent).

I also said at one point that it might actually be the worst post-Fergie appointment because we'll struggle to get rid of him due to sentiment with the fans, and he'll maybe hold us back for a long time.
 

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Was always against it. I fell for a bit after Paris with all the good will and buzz around the club, but it was always the wrong thing to do.

I especially felt this club in particular could never make it work. These kind of appointments work at ruthless clubs like Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern because when the push came to shove they would always prioritise the club over any sentimentality. The likes of us and Liverpool were always going to sink the ship before we'd have the sense to move on
 

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Europa League final I think. Although I became absolutely certain sometime this season.
 

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It wasn't a light switch moment but more of a gradual thing. Last season you could tell that tactically he isn't as high in the game as someone managing our club should be but was sticking with the process of gradual improvement. The Villa game last month seemed to be a must-win for him after some poor performances and to get momentum back on track but we were awful and lost. Woeful against Villarreal next, despite a last minute winner, and then dreadful against Everton switched me into his time is coming to an end. He can turn it around results-wise but we still won't get near the tactics/coaching abilities of others which is what we need to do if we want the big trophies.
 

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I always thought it was a mistake giving him a contract on a full time bases
We should of used that time to bring in an expericed director of football and a manger proven at building a style of play and ethos within a club. Instead Ole got a few good results and we jumped the gun and gave him a contract.

In fairness I think he has done a far better job then we had any right to expect considering his previous management experience. I also think for the most part the squad building under Ole has been the best it has been at the club since prior to 2008.

So I’m in no rush to fire Ole. But if a good long term candidate is identified who can get the best out of this incredible crop of young attackers we have, then I’m would accept him to be let go.
 

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I hated him from the first moment he signed and knew he was not going to be good enough, especially with that fake smile attitude that seemed to go well with the general fan base.

Last year I was actually impressed at times, we were playing some decent footie, but the UEL final got me.
I don't even care about his tactics, man management, in game management and his smile that seems faker than a highway hoe, I just hate he has absolutely zero balls. That's why it seems he lost the players and he'll surely lose his job in 2-4 weeks when this tough run of matches comes to end.

When you don't have the balls to change anything and you play the same shit setup and shit (Some) players week in, week out, there's only one result.
 

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Not long for me. It was when he went from 4-3-3, which got found out and he went to 5-3-2 to steady the ship and to stop leaking goals, which got found out vs Partizan in the EL, this was the moment I realised he is severely limited tactically and when I realised he's not up to it. After the 5-3-2 we then went to 4-2-3-1 which brought us some success because Bruno was bought and he hit the ground running, at a canter actually and confirmed to me that Ole is reliant on individual brilliance getting us out the hole, not through his tactics.

Ever since the Partizan game he's made some awful mistakes which you'd expect of a young manager, not one who has been managing for a long time now. The biggest mistakes he's made for me were not taking Fred off vs PSG and the other was starting Pogba LW last season vs Liverpool.
 

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Just these last few weeks honestly. How do you get worse with better players this season.
 

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Is there really any need for a new thread everytime someone has a different thought on Ole.

It's the same old tiresome shite in each one.
 

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Imagine you have the chance for your first trophy, a European one at that, against an average side, and you play for penalties
 

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When he was made permanent manager, he should have only been an interim manager until the end of that season and then let go.
 

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When he relegated Cardiff and didn't bother with a proper challenge for 14 years, it was quite obvious
 

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Had huge doubts about him starting from his first full season, because there were just no signs that he was going to implement a robust attacking system. Being unable to control the game against Chelsea despite winning 4-0 was also a red flag. Project Restart began well, but the tactics always seemed simplistic and there was the ever-present caveat that we were only playing weaker teams in poor form during that period; and sure enough the performances soon tapered off. Allowed myself a tiny bit of hope again this season because of the transfers, but it faded by the second game.
 

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Before he was given the job. There was nothing to suggest he would be the right man & our performances deteriorated massively before he was made permanent, we were humilated by Wolves in the cup & then well beaten by a really poor Arsenal in the league. He got given the full-time job on the back of those 2 losses & then went on to win 2, draw 2 & lose 8 of the last 12 games. I'm amazed anyone has ever been Ole in tbh.
 

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...to come to the realisation that Ole was not right for the job? For those that were prepared to give him a chance once he was appointed.

It took a while, about 1 month ago (Sept 2021) in my case. Some are still hanging on to Europa final and second place fumes. But most of them will eventually come around. Except those that will support him into the championship.

So out of random curiosity, when did it dawn on you.
6th October 2019 when we lost away to Newcastle.
 

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I never wanted Ole to get the job full time, but wasn't totally negative once he was appointed. My view from fairly early on was that he would improve us but never win the league. We'd hit a ceiling at some point and then the end would be messy, but we might still be better off than before he joined. I still think that's about right & that's where we are. However I do think that a very poor season could undo some of the good he's done. I also think that another manager could have had us challenging by now.
 

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The likes of us and Liverpool were always going to sink the ship before we'd have the sense to move on
Very true. It's been clear for some time that he isn't the man to take us to trophies (big trophies). I too think that less time to prepare last season suited him - other teams had thinner/less fit squads and less time to prepare. Now he's being exposed and it's obvious he should be replaced. We will have to be getting hammered by all of the big teams and losing frequently against the rest across a 10 to 15 game period. I don't understand why we don't act now to save our season.
 
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I asked the same question in the ole thread, for me it was Arsenal away 2019.
 
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I’m late to the party, the tipping point for me was Villa where we were very poor. Leicester this weekend felt inevitable.

I’d like us to act quickly in the way Chelsea did, Lampard left and they moved on and he’ll remain a legend (I think), but we’ll give Ole a few more weeks and he’ll be vilified and considered an idiot from our fan base.
 

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It wasn't a light switch moment but more of a gradual thing. Last season you could tell that tactically he isn't as high in the game as someone managing our club should be but was sticking with the process of gradual improvement. The Villa game last month seemed to be a must-win for him after some poor performances and to get momentum back on track but we were awful and lost. Woeful against Villarreal next, despite a last minute winner, and then dreadful against Everton switched me into his time is coming to an end. He can turn it around results-wise but we still won't get near the tactics/coaching abilities of others which is what we need to do if we want the big trophies.
This is what I fear the most. We've been here many times already in 3 years with Ole, where he turns it around for a few weeks. It's the fact that we are in this position yet again, probably the 5th or 6th time he's been under pressure to turn it around, in only 3 years. That says it all. He'll never get not only the consistency of performance but also results to be challenging on all fronts every season.
 

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Never really wanted him here, was such a clear new manager bounce and I didnt think he had the credentials at all. Such a knee-jerk decision to hire him and he showed that at the end of that very season.

From that Arsenal match going it was obvious he'd never be good enough.
 

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I was quite shocked we went for him and didn’t like the idea of appointing a manager based on his status within the club rather than abilities and record, but surely I was excited and wanted to see something new after misery of late Jose. First few games gave me some hope but it became very clear quickly Ole is just two classes below top managers in the game now, it was apparent two years ago and it is still now. As I enjoyed the feel good factor and better atmosphere than late Jose, as well as more investment from the board, I’ve not always felt Ole has to go immediately, but it’s way more than a year that I’m appalled we can’t decide to show some ambition and go for a manager that at least gives us hope of competing against the very best, rather than settling for mediocrity.
 

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It was when he scored his last goal for us, he didn't even hit it cleanly, just scuffed it and it sort've trickled under the keeper.
I thought nah, he'll never be good enough to manage United. Norwegian subbuteo division 2 is his level.
 
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I thought Laurent Blanc was the much smarter option for the caretaker role, with future possibilities of that leading to a permanent position. I never understood the Ole appointment, just goes against all logic for me that a World Class manager, which is something this club requires, was just sitting there managing away in Norway, it's pure fairytale stuff.

Since then I've always been extremely doubtful, tried to give him benefit of the doubt, lost patience at times but always thought that at the worst moments he's done just the very basic required to keep his job. I'll bin him now though, this squad, after this much time in the role and he hasn't the foggiest, "maybe we need more legs", "we need to win more 50/50's", "maybe something has to give" are just the ramblings of a man with no actual plan on how he's wants to use this squad and how he wants this team to play.

Time to give someone else a chance.
 

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Is there really any need for a new thread everytime someone has a different thought on Ole.

It's the same old tiresome shite in each one.
You can just put it on ignore. Let people who want to debate, debate.
 

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...to come to the realisation that Ole was not right for the job? For those that were prepared to give him a chance once he was appointed.

It took a while, about 1 month ago (Sept 2021) in my case. Some are still hanging on to Europa final and second place fumes. But most of them will eventually come around. Except those that will support him into the championship.

So out of random curiosity, when did it dawn on you.
I was always of the mindset that I will back him as long as we continue to "progress". Progress for me was improving the players we had, improving the league position year on year and getting closer to challenge for titles. I have to give Ole credit in that we have much better players now than we had when Jose got sacked. We do play some good football but not consistently enough. But the times we do play good football, it is much more enjoyable to watch than it ever was under Jose. We have also progressed up the league positions year on year with our best finish under Ole last year. We have got to a few semi-finals and finals in Ole's reign which means we have got closer to challenging for titles.

However, I feel this is the season where we regress from previous seasons for the first time under Ole. Due to this and the pressure of the investment in players we have had, I think it will lead to his sacking. I've got no issue with letting Ole go as long as the next manager is an adequate replacement and suits our club. I always felt he deserved the opportunity to continue as manager while he continued to progress.
 

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This is what I fear the most. We've been here many times already in 3 years with Ole, where he turns it around for a few weeks. It's the fact that we are in this position yet again, probably the 5th or 6th time he's been under pressure to turn it around, in only 3 years. That says it all. He'll never get not only the consistency of performance but also results to be challenging on all fronts every season.
Fully agree. I think that's where a lot of us are at, especially the long standing Ole-In'ers. It's clear he has some ability and strings to his bow but to compete with the top 3, and arguably quite a few others in the league, we just need a lot more There's too many things wrong for it to be changed in a short period of time without changing everything.
 

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When his honeymoon period ended in March 2019 and then by the end of May '19.

Knocked out of the FA Cup by Wolves, knocked out of the CL by Barca (lost to them twice) and our last 9 PL games resulted in 5 losses and 2 draws.

If I'm correct, after that famous 3-1 PSG match, we P12 W2 D2 L8.

THAT was when I knew he needed to go.
 

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The champions league game where Fred should have been hooked at half time after luckily escaping a red card twice. He finally got sent off in the second half and it spelt the end of our CL campaign. It demonstrated a stubbornness past the point of reason.

That's when I truly accepted he's not good enough, but I still thought he'd earnt a another season just to be sure.

Nothing has changed. He's done the job I expected and wanted him to do - I think its fair to thank him for what he has done and part ways now.
 

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I wasn't thrilled by his appointment, but he won me over quickly, some great performances right at the start, but even after Paris I though giving him a permanent deal at that point was a mistake. It seemed to go downhill after that.

I've been up and down throughout. He's had a few purple patches which usually win me back over for a bit. The EL final defeat on penalties was grim, but I thought we'd made good signings going into this season, so was willing to get back on side. The Leeds and Newcastle games made me think we could do something this season, they weren't perfect but there was a lot to be excited about. Now we look as bad as we ever did under Jose and LvG, and I now think we shouldn't prolong the inevitable, whilst the season is salvageable.

I'd have loved to see him win trophies with us, more so than the last 3 managers, but he isn't good enough. Giving him until the end of the season as Scholes suggests isn't going to make him a good enough manager. The Glazers sitting on their hands will just cause more damage.
 

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When his honeymoon period ended in March 2019 and then by the end of May '19.

Knocked out of the FA Cup by Wolves, knocked out of the CL by Barca (lost to them twice) and our last 9 PL games resulted in 5 losses and 2 draws.

If I'm correct, after that famous 3-1 PSG match, we P12 W2 D2 L8.

THAT was when I knew he needed to go.
Some will say he salvaged that season.
 

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Signing Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane and still not having a style of play. The Villa game this season killed all my hope in him progressing the club any further.
 

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...to come to the realisation that Ole was not right for the job? For those that were prepared to give him a chance once he was appointed.

It took a while, about 1 month ago (Sept 2021) in my case. Some are still hanging on to Europa final and second place fumes. But most of them will eventually come around. Except those that will support him into the championship.

So out of random curiosity, when did it dawn on you.
The day he was appointed to be honest, he didn’t have anything in his track record that suggested that he was the right man for such a massive job
 

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December 2020 and the PSG game. Every man and his dog could see Fred was going to get sent off but Ole froze, and then his solution was just to throw every attacker we had on the pitch in pure hope. That was the point I knew he didn't understand tactics or game management.
 

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You can just put it on ignore. Let people who want to debate, debate.
Debate what? There isn't a debate to be had in here. You can't really have a debate with someone about when exactly they made up their mind about something.


It's just another Ole out thread with a different title. There's only been about 10 more added since 5 o'clock on Saturday. Flogging a dead horse at this point.