Van De Beek is not a Centre Midfielder

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This is not some excuse for Ole because the time for that is finished but when something is wrong - something is wrong and too many of our fans seem to now know what kind of player Van De Beek is.

VDB is not a midfielder :nono:he is a raumdeuter (however you spell that). He tries to get in to the half spaces in attackers positions where defenders dont analyse his movement.

He is an attacking midfielder who is a goalscorer like Thomas Muller. Just because he can play as a CM doesn't mean he is good at it or it is his best position. Muller has also played in midfield but he plays better further up the pitch.


Ole has bought two attacking midfielders. All the deeper midfielders are Mourinho players. When VDB plays deeper in midfielder he ends up with the same weakness as pogba but with less of the creativity. He is regarded to weak to play with only one of Fred or Mctominay and he is not creative enough to play over Pogba with Matic. His numbers are not as good as Bruno's for his usual higher up role.

He is supposed to play to get further up the pitch, not deep in a double pivot.



 
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You are absolutely wrong and that's enough nonsense for today.
 
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What is Pogba then pal? Cause Ole’s kept him around for 3 years despite having a tonne of left wingers and as you say yourself, two number 10’s.

Or are you saying Ole has kept hold of a number 10 for 3 years, and bought fecking two more???
 

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Solskjaer: "He [Van de Beek] can play as a 6 with two [double pivot], he can play an 8 as an attacking midfielder, he can play as a 10."

VDB: “It’s really difficult to say because it depends on how you play as a team. I think the way we play for me the best position is as a number 6 or 8.”

Also VDB: "It’s fine [playing with Bruno Fernandes]. I played in a lot of positions for Ajax - 8, 10 even Number 6 - so I’m used to it. I play in a lot of different positions."
 

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Straight from the horses mouth. Donny van de Beek himself on Rio's youtube channel only last month:

Asked by Ferdinand if he could play as a number 6 for United, van de Beek said "Yes. I think what I've said before, also, I like to play 8 or 6. It's fine.

"They know me because in Ajax they was playing me number 10 a lot. Yeah, I can also play as a number 8 or 6."

Van de Beek added: "I think I can do [play as a 6] but, of course, I don't know what the manager thinks or what he expects from me. I've played in this role before with Ajax.

"Of course, at the end I was playing number 10, but I also played a few games number 6. I can play this role. That's really difficult to say [best position].

"That depends on how you play as a team. For how we play, I think the best position for me is a number 6 or 8.
 

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Starting a thread with a laughey smiley should be immediate ban territory.
 

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I agree his best position is not CM but unfortunately for him, he will not displace Bruno in the AM position. He's probably behind Pogba for that position too.

If he truly wants a game in the next few months or so, he will need to shoehorn himself in CM. If he can't do it, bye bye Donny.
 

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Straight from the horses mouth. Donny Van de Beek himself on Rio's youtube channel only last month:
Again because he can play it doesn't make him a CM.

Is Bruno a CM because he can play it or is he a CAM?
 

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I've said before Ole has done nothing for the centre of midfield, it's all Mourinho players. Well, except sell Herrera. All Ole's buys are attacking players.
 

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Whenever I watched him at Ajax in the CL he was a number 8 in a 4-3-3 which is a lot different to being a 6 in a 4-2-3-1. I was a bit surprised that we signed him considering we already had Fernandes unless Ole was planning to change the formation.
 

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Rubbish. Says himself in this interview with Ferdinand that he could play a #6 and has done before at Ajax... (22:30) Then also says doesn't matter where he plays he just wants to play.

Oh, and then also proceeds to say his best position is "number 8, number 6, number 8, i think". Kinda tells me he CAN and WANTS to play as a CM / #6

 

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It's the first time that I see someone suggest that Van De Beek is a raumdeuter and judging by the 712 views in 2 years, I'm not the only one.
 

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He's clearly a midfielder, just not an outstanding one. But just fecking play him in midfield. He can't be worse then what's happening there now. Matic/Pogba/Fred have had more than their fair share of opportunities there.
 

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Tell that to Pep who often plays KDB and Bernardo Silva with Rodri in midfield. If we had KDB and Bernardo Silva in a midfield three, people on here would be saying, “they’re not bloody midfielders, one is an attacking midfielder and one is a winger”.

My point is that anyone who isn’t a CB, fullback/wingback, or in attack, is by definition a midfielder. There are many types of midfielders, agreed, but the combinations you play and how you set them up are up to the manager.

VDB is a midfielder. He can’t be our deep midfielder the way we play, I agree, but he could be part of a midfield 3 in a team that can keep possession properly.
 

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Rubbish. Says himself in this interview with Ferdinand that he could play a #6 and has done before at Ajax... (22:30) Then also says doesn't matter where he plays he just wants to play.

Oh, and then also proceeds to say his best position is "number 8, number 6, number 8, i think". Kinda tells me he CAN and WANTS to play as a CM / #6

He himself said that last he was a CAM. And again we signed him once he was number 10 for ajax as he said. He had turned to number 10 at ajax. That's when he started scoring those goals and got the hype at ajax in the CL. Not before it.
 

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Thats funny.. He was at Ajax in a double pivot with Lisandro Martinez for a full season with Ziyech as #10 in front of them.. This was the season after which United bought him..
 

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This is definitely a Bebe-level thread.
 

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"VDB is not a bloody midfielder" "Just because he can play as a CM doesn't mean he is good at it"

How can you say this when he's looked his best for us whilst playing in the double pivot? Making shit up :houllier:
 

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I assume you started this thread off the back of my comment in the Ole thread.

Well, you're wrong. He is a centre midfielder, he's played there many times before, and he even says he is a centre midfielder himself, as does Ole. I don't know what more can be done to convince you.

Plus, if Ole didn't sign him a centre midfielder what exactly did he sign him for? To keep the bench polished?
 

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Thats funny.. He was at Ajax in a double pivot with Lisandro Martinez for a full season with Ziyech as #10 in front of them.. This was the season after which United bought him..
After De Jong left right?

Do you think he is better deep or further up the pitch?
 
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Tell that to Pep who often plays KDB and Bernardo Silva with Rodri in midfield. If we had KDB and Bernardo Silva in a midfield three, people on here would be saying, “they’re not bloody midfielders, one is an attacking midfielder and one is a winger”.

My point is that anyone who isn’t a CB, fullback/wingback, or in attack, is by definition a midfielder. There are many types of midfielders, agreed, but the combinations you play and how you set them up are up to the manager.

VDB is a midfielder. He can’t be our deep midfielder the way we play, I agree, but he could be part of a midfield 3 in a team that can keep possession properly.
Pep had Lahm in midfield, Klopp James Milner, Sir Alex stuck Giggs there and made it work. Phil Jones, O’Shea all did jobs.

But hell, an attacking midfielder could never do it :lol:
 

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He himself said that last he was a CAM. And again we signed him once he was number 10 for ajax as he said. He had turned to number 10 at ajax. That's when he started scoring those goals and got the hype at ajax in the CL. Not before it.
And, your point is? You're literally disagreeing with the man himself that says he can play a midfield position. Your whole argument is that he isn't a CM when he himself says he can and will play that position.
 

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Thats funny.. He was at Ajax in a double pivot with Lisandro Martinez for a full season with Ziyech as #10 in front of them.. This was the season after which United bought him..
Wasn't that the season where you failed to qualify for the CL when OGC Nice beat you, followed then by failing to qualify for the Europa League when Rosenborg beat you. Thus having an entire season completely out of Europe and our man DvB played CM in all 4 qualifying matches.

Could it simply be, that he's a semi competent AM but a very ordinary CM/DM?
 

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He himself said that last he was a CAM. And again we signed him once he was number 10 for ajax as he said. He had turned to number 10 at ajax. That's when he started scoring those goals and got the hype at ajax in the CL. Not before it.
In the season before United bought him, Ajax played like this:

Onana
Mazraoui/Dest Veltman Blind Tagliafico
VDB Martinez
Ziyech
Neres Tadic Promes
 

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In a parallel universe, Ole took over Liverpool, bought Wijnaldum only to not use him, complained about not having a good enough central midfield after getting into trouble, and there's now a thread on RAWK called "Wijnaldum is not a centre midfielder".
 

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Wasn't that the season where you failed to qualify for the CL when OGC Nice beat you, followed then by failing to qualify for the Europa League when Rosenborg beat you. Thus having an entire season completely out of Europe and our man DvB played CM in all 4 qualifying matches.

Could it simply be, that he's a semi competent AM but a very ordinary CM/DM?
No this was the season after our glorious semi final season season, where we got 10 points in a CL group with Valencia, Chelsea, Lille
 

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And, your point is? You're literally disagreeing with the man himself that says he can play a midfield position. Your whole argument is that he isn't a CM when he himself says he can and will play that position.
And again, just because he played CM doesn't mean he is good at it - he can have a better role somewhere else making his best position somewhere else.

I saw something at Ajax where it said that he played deeper and he was not that good.

It was because Frenkie De Jong came that he got pushed further up the pitch and that is what made him get the hype.

I know he can play CM - I said so in the post, that doesn't make it his best position.
 

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you just wanna say he is shit and Ole isn't playing him because he is shit, so just say it in his player performance thread.. no need to create a thread and say he is a radiator or whatever
 

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He's #8. Anyone implying he's not a CM is either part of the Ole cult or never have watched the guy play(which is not that out of the world considering he's frozen on the bench).