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Why booing the players is acceptable but booing the manager is anathema?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
They were also chanting viva Ronaldo entire second half.
We’ll win the Nostalgia trophy this year again.
This. It would have been more surprising if there wasn’t discontent 0-2 down at OT to pretty average team. Booing is seen as some kind of taboo but I have no doubt that would have helped fire the players up for the 2nd half.
Weird thread, my feeling is that United fans booing singular players is very rare and almost always despised as an act. When arsenal fans did it to xhaka it was really criticised. There'll always be some fans who do but as a whole I don't think it's accepted
Some of you are concentrating on last match and ignoring the rest of the OP.
Nani was a CL and multiple league winning player for us and he definitely got a harder time from match going fans than any manager has and probably will.
I reckon its just easier to boo a player because they do more actions.
Nani was a CL and multiple league winning player for us and he definitely got a harder time from match going fans than any manager has and probably will.
I reckon its just easier to boo a player because they do more actions.
This was the first occasion I heard booing if I recall correctly since the days of LvG. Going by chats and shouting around my seat seat I would guess it was for the performance. You can guess it was for a combination of factors directed at the players, coaches and sounding out the directors. We really have no clue who each fan directed their disapproval towards.
PS: The singing section applauded the players and staff off at half time.
I personally believe the booing was what caused the turnaround. That must have hurt them and really motivated the star players for sure, you just need to see Ronaldo at the end for example. Ole did make better subs this game but I don't think this was a show of players all rallying for Ole, I believe they were rallying for their own pride and the want to be in this competition.
I think the booing was very fair in this current situation especially following on from the terrible league form. Booing for booing sake, player or manager is not right. If we are two down v Liverpool on Sunday I hope more boos ring around the stadium.
I think the booing was very fair in this current situation especially following on from the terrible league form. Booing for booing sake, player or manager is not right. If we are two down v Liverpool on Sunday I hope more boos ring around the stadium.
Were they booing and then saying a particular player's name?
Boo Fred, boo McTominay, boo Bruno.
Boo Fred, boo McTominay, boo Bruno.
It's not acceptable. I remember when the crowd once booed Nani. It was when Fergie was showing favouritism towards Valencia. Valencia could have avarage performance's every week or make mistakes and still he wouldn't get dropped. When Nani did get a chance and he had a bad game he would get subbed immediately or dropped the next game. How can you build your confidence or form if you get treated unfairly and so different to the other guy who you are competing with for a place in the squad?
Anyway, I was absolutely disgusted when the crowd did that to Nani. He was an unbelievable player and it broke my heart.
Anyway, I was absolutely disgusted when the crowd did that to Nani. He was an unbelievable player and it broke my heart.
I'd invite you to watch a match at Camp Nou. They boo tactics. While also constantly whining about tactics the whole time. It's like watching a match in a forum not a stadium. Some old guy to another "Why is Griezmann playing on the left he should be in the middle .." and proceeds to start yelling at the manager.It's always unacceptable for me. I don't rate Ole and I don't rate Lindelof but it's silly too boo someone who trying their hardest for your club. It may only be understandable if the conduct of the individual is very unprofessional.
On why it happens: I mean it's hard to pinpoint but there's two types of booing - 1. At the HT of final whistle, is that not aimed at everyone involved? Not sure you can that is purely player related and 2. After specific incidents on the pitch. That's in the moment frustration which I'd argue can mostly happen only towards a player as what a manager does is far less in your face and far more nuanced. It would be rather funny for fans to boo a switch from a back 4 to a back 3 though
because I don’t think a majority of fans think he is the problem.
That was at the Goodison Park, not Old Trafford.
I think that is a feeling you may have based on the fact that you can slate a player like Fred freely on here but face vocal opposition if you do the same with Ole.
It is just a unique situation with Ole as he is not only a club legend but one who is especially well liked for a number of reasons.
It is just a unique situation with Ole as he is not only a club legend but one who is especially well liked for a number of reasons.
i personally think it’s everything. Just the way we play but also the lack of effort from the players at times. The lack of urgency, pressing, chances... even if the tactics are shite.. the players should never ever down tools. Not in this shirt, the money they earn, the position they are in.. the bare minimum is they give everything for 90 minutes. For the fans if nothing else. we’re not all multi millionaires and some people spend a lot of what they have to watch this. Try. Fecking try. If we’re behind or playing poorly than anything less than falling to the ground with exhaustion at full time isn’t good enough. That’s why I am angry half the time with this team.
Like or hate ole, he will give everything to this club. Wether he is good enough is a whole other debate.
I stand corrected! I suppose he still had a plane fly over Old Trafford with a banner calling for him to be sacked.
What hell wrong with our Fans?
Everybody got booed at end of first half then got clapped back 2nd half as expected as they needed a lift to try and turn the result around.
Seems folk want the booing to continue into the 2nd half as well........maybe Ole getting stripped and flung into the circle circle to get lynched by a baying mob
Seriously, the toxic energy about us at the moment is ridiculous. People just want to burn everything around them
Are you serious ? I turned on Ole very recently but never did against SAF.
We were one point from Liverpool last week, now we’re one point from Liverpool if we win next week… I don’t have much faith that it will be better at the end of the season and we are playing very bad. Hang on on your hopes as much as you wish but after 3 years I can’t see anything coherent on the pitch…
There was a bit of booing around me last night which lasted 10-20 seconds and didn't seem to be aimed at anyone in particular but just the general disappointment of the first half performance.
Having said that...booing at Old Trafford isn't something you regularly hear.
I've never understood it personally (although it's clearly an emotional response for many) as players who are low on confidence/performing poorly will rarely respond positively to it. Much better to openly encourage and support which the crowd did in the second half.
Tempo makes a big difference.
Having said that...booing at Old Trafford isn't something you regularly hear.
I've never understood it personally (although it's clearly an emotional response for many) as players who are low on confidence/performing poorly will rarely respond positively to it. Much better to openly encourage and support which the crowd did in the second half.
Tempo makes a big difference.
You can boo everyone, they there for your entertainment and if you're not entertained you deserve to be booed. These overplayed jesters should be happy this isn't ancient Rome where entertainers were the bottom of society and just beheaded when they were shite.
At its heart this is a thread annoyed that Ole got cheered isn’t it? Let’s be honest. Pathetic.
More about the 'curious case of the manager-cult' that is unique to United fans.
Manager is God at this club. If he pissed on the Stretford End they’d be drinking it up and singing his name.
Because the manager at the club is above anyone else. The status of Fergie is getting projected on to the current manager, if they deserve it or not. The fans arent used to questioning the manager as well. Especially with Ole, you can see how many blamed the players and squad. Only this season most are starting to think openly it might be the manager that is the issue.
I don't think it is mental, but a logical consequence. For two decades United had a world class manager, and people who grew up becoming United fans simply got used to that.
Fans of every other club are going through a lot of managers and got to learn differences between managers. This is something that is missing for many United fans who have to slowly learn and accept that something rhat was true for their whole live isn't true any more, it is no longer automatically the right thing to support the manager, as it is no longer guaranteed that he is world class.
Nani was booed once, against Stoke iirc. It wasn't for his performance that day, it was because he walked off very slowly and sulking.
We were 1:0 down at the time and the fans were frustrated with his antics and wanted him to leave the field quickly so we could continue our momentum in that 2nd half.
That's why there were boos, to get him off much quicker, not because of how he played.
By the way we went on to win the game after that substitution.....
Also, why is it okay to boo, but no one ever throws rotten tomatoes at the players/manager?
We are so far behind on these things. Joke of a fan base.
We are so far behind on these things. Joke of a fan base.
United fans think club = manager. It's clear as some here say it loudly "support the club and the manager" as if they are one and the same. They struggle to understand that the manager is just an employee.
Obviously it's because we used to have SAF all the time so couldn't manage to differentiate between both concepts.
Obviously it's because we used to have SAF all the time so couldn't manage to differentiate between both concepts.
What antics? We endend up winning the game so it's ok to boo him? like what are you even trying to say?
the sub might have been the right choice and for the better, I cant remember which game it was. All I remember was him getting booed by the fans and him looking down at the floor. Just cause we ended up winning the game you feel it was ok for him to get booed? You don't make any sense.
Maybe they were booing Atalanta fans and players..you know, to get into their heads.
Nobody knows what the boos were for.
Nobody knows what the boos were for.
It has everything to do with SAF and the fact that he more or less became synonymous with the club. The lines between the manager being an employee of the club started to blur and the fans think by proxy that by not showing support for the manager is like not showing support for the club, so they never do it.
You should take up pool because that is some spin.
You don't need to talk shite and make up daft scenarios, their is already enough hyperbole about the caf
100% - United match going fans are really patient, and quite frankly, the players and staff have been getting away with some dire displays. I think when the players and the staff actually heard the boos, the penny dropped that the fans considered their efforts (or the lack thereof) unacceptable.
The booing seemed directed at everyone by the way.
"Ta rah Ole"
We are so close to it clicking and he's done a monumental job so far. Patience.
They booed at half time when we were losing and sang about the manager and the players after the second half when we won. It's not really that crazy..
that result doesn’t change the facts.
As I see things, it's very divided.
One part of the United fans are fed up with the play on the pitch. No one wants to lose, but all teams lose and have poor periods during a season. But United have this way to often, and the football being played is "headless" and without character and no "style of play". They have lost faith in Ole or "the Norwegian PE-teacher" as some call him, as the man to take United the last step to really form a title charge in PL and CL.
The other part are being provoked by this, and in return really back the manager. "United is not a sacking club" and "support the team/players/manager as long as they are at the club" is the motto going. And they want to applaud the team and manager no matter what the results and play say on pitch.. And they are quick to show criticism towards the so called internet reds, and believe they know much more about football because they go to matches. (if they actually do go regularly I don't know).
The internet and social media surely has benefits, but the atmosphere around United are toxic. I have to admit that at times I just scroll past all United related news and posts, because both sides are so ready for war and believe what they say is the truth. It's actually horrible to witness.
My point of view doesn't really matter in this case. Just trying to explain how fed up I am with both sides of the United fans. And hey, could we please stop this "true red" and "proper red" bollocks. All fans can have their opinion, no matter how often they go to matches. We can't all live in and around Manchester.
One part of the United fans are fed up with the play on the pitch. No one wants to lose, but all teams lose and have poor periods during a season. But United have this way to often, and the football being played is "headless" and without character and no "style of play". They have lost faith in Ole or "the Norwegian PE-teacher" as some call him, as the man to take United the last step to really form a title charge in PL and CL.
The other part are being provoked by this, and in return really back the manager. "United is not a sacking club" and "support the team/players/manager as long as they are at the club" is the motto going. And they want to applaud the team and manager no matter what the results and play say on pitch.. And they are quick to show criticism towards the so called internet reds, and believe they know much more about football because they go to matches. (if they actually do go regularly I don't know).
The internet and social media surely has benefits, but the atmosphere around United are toxic. I have to admit that at times I just scroll past all United related news and posts, because both sides are so ready for war and believe what they say is the truth. It's actually horrible to witness.
My point of view doesn't really matter in this case. Just trying to explain how fed up I am with both sides of the United fans. And hey, could we please stop this "true red" and "proper red" bollocks. All fans can have their opinion, no matter how often they go to matches. We can't all live in and around Manchester.