[MrEleson]

Bullshit straight out. His level has dropped significantly since Madrid. He gets involved much less outside the box and gets on the ball much less.

There’s nothing to suggest his level has dropped “significantly” since then. He scored more in league play in the last 2 seasons than he did in his final 2 seasons at Madrid. His general play was actually even better in his first season at Juve than it was in those final 2 seasons at Real. The quality around him is really what dropped significantly.

Juventus lost to Lyon, Ajax and Porto in the Champions League, it was a somewhat noticeable issue. As for Real, they had a system in place for years and also when Ronaldo left Real Madrid he was 33, the same age as Benzema and Lewandowski now and somewhere near the peak of his powers. There's a big difference between 33 and 36 in football, and also 3 years is a long time in football. Three years ago Dele Alli was worth £150 million.

It wasn’t a noticeable issue at all. He was actually the best player for Juve by a mile against both Lyon and Ajax with most Juventus fans even acknowledging that it was the team failed him in those ties. They lost due to individual errors. It was only against Porto that he struggled and rewatching how they lost those games, it had nothing to do with his pressing (or lack of thereof). If it was, why was it never mentioned or even a point of discussion? No clue where this absurd idea has suddenly come from. And your Dele alli point holds no value. He isn’t the same kind of professional as Ronaldo, he obviously slacked off mentally which is why he isn’t the same player he was 3 years ago. Not the same for Ronaldo. Lewandowski is scoring more than before but he arguably isn’t a better all-round player at 33 than he was some years ago. Only Benzema is the anomaly.

He was not a striker at Real Madrid, Benzema was. If Ronaldo could play LW then this problem with pressing wouldn't exist because Cavani would be playing ST - but why can't he play LW his best position? Because he is old.

Did you watch Real Madrid in Ronaldo’s last 2 seasons? He was unquestionably playing in a front 2 with Benzema as part of a 4-4-2 diamond formation.

 

[Bebestation]

Your argument has turned from Ronaldo doesn’t press so that’s why we leaked 5 goals, which is bullshit to he can’t score hat tricks anymore which is laughable because unless you’re like Salah in the form of your life hat tricks are really hard come by but I think Ronaldo can still bag one this season.

No it hasn't changed at all. I've got proof he doesn't press with stats and videos.

Ive just added other aspects which shows to me he is a deteriorating player than a player in his prime that you think he is.

 

[captaincantona]

There’s nothing to suggest his level has dropped “significantly” since then. He scored more in league play in the last 2 seasons than he did in his final 2 seasons at Madrid. His general play was actually even better in his first season at Juve than it was in those final 2 seasons at Real. The quality around him is really what dropped significantly.



It wasn’t a noticeable issue at all. He was actually the best player for Juve by a mile against both Lyon and Ajax with most Juventus fans even acknowledging that it was the team failed him in those ties. It wasn’t only against Porto that he struggled and rewatching how they lost those games, it had nothing to do with his pressing (or lack of thereof). No clue where this absurd idea has suddenly comes from.

Did you watch Real Madrid in Ronaldo’s last 2 seasons? He was unquestionably playing in a front 2 with Benzema as part of a 4-4-2 diamond formation.

Let me get this straight...everywhere Ronaldo has been its everyone else’s fault when shit goes south? Don’t speak for entire fan bases ...there are plenty of Juve fans who would disagree...Juve dropped a level because they needed to play to Ronaldo’s strengths which are not in any way as potent as they were at Madrid. He basically scores goals now. That’s it. Nothing else. He averaged about 1 assist every 6 games at Juve. He is not a player that plays for the team in any way or contributes more then goals. Which is fine...if you can afford the flip side of that which is playing with 10 men out of possession.

And as as for the bloke who just said he was pressing out the door against Atalanta....go watch again pal...making one 90 yard run 90 minutes? Go get the video- prove he was pressing! He wasn’t.But he did do what he always does...he scored. Be honest with yourself- he is incredible at one thing- nothing else.

 

[Bebestation]

There’s nothing to suggest his level has dropped “significantly” since then. He scored more in league play in the last 2 seasons than he did in his final 2 seasons at Madrid. His general play was actually even better in his first season at Juve than it was in those final 2 seasons at Real. The quality around him is really what dropped significantly.



It wasn’t a noticeable issue at all. He was actually the best player for Juve by a mile against both Lyon and Ajax with most Juventus fans even acknowledging that it was the team failed him in those ties. They lost due to individual errors. It was only against Porto that he struggled and rewatching how they lost those games, it had nothing to do with his pressing (or lack of thereof). If it was, why was it never mentioned or even a point of discussion. No clue where this absurd idea has suddenly comes from. And your Dele alli point holds no value. He isn’t the same kind of professional as Ronaldo, he obviously slacked off mentally which is why he isn’t the same player he was 3 years ago. Not the same for Ronaldo. Lewandowski is scoring more than before but he arguably isn’t a better all-round player at 33 than he was some years ago. Only Benzema is the anomaly.

Did you watch Real Madrid in Ronaldo’s last 2 seasons? He was unquestionably playing in a front 2 with Benzema as part of a 4-4-2 diamond formation.

I've answered this before - Ronaldo in a striker partnership happened at Juventus too and it stops the pressing problem shown in the video because it blocks the passing lanes of both CB' but then we drop some of our other players like Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Bruno, Cavani etc who can't all fit in a striker partnership formation.

 

[Gehrman]

It's pretty problematic to adapt a team around a almost 37 year old static poacher. We can keep talking about how awesome he was in his prime, but he just isn't anymore. He doesnt create chances for others, he doesn't link up play, he struggles to beat a man, he doesn't score goals outside the box. He's still amazing in the air and dangerous in box, but the fact he isn't a complete forward is detrimental to our overall play. He is obviously not the reason why our defenders are shit or anything like that, only that he's a double edgded sword.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

I'm not 100% sure about this because I didn't watch Juventus but I think the big difference is that Juventus played a 352 with Ronaldo and Dybala.

That would explain Juventus' defensive record. But how does it explain United conceding 6 against Spurs and 4 against Liverpool last season?

 

[Sviken]

Such a strange deduction. You think Ronaldo is a poacher by choice or its Ole who is instructing him to be that way? We have obviously signed him for the player he is not the one we feel we can turn him into (would be really daft considering his age).

Are you fecking joking with this? When was Ronaldo EVER played as a poacher? This is team instructions. Ole even talks it in the press conferences a number of time. This is not how Ronaldo wants to play. He has never played in a similar fashion. Same reason why Bruno goes higher up the line than Ronaldo sometimes. It's not that Bruno himself came up with this, he has been told to do it.

 

[Deery]

No it hasn't changed at all. I've got proof he doesn't press with stats and videos.

Ive just added other aspects which shows to me he is a deteriorating player than a player in his prime that you think he is.

He’s thirty fecking six! Of course he is deteriorating we all do that’s life but he’s still delivering on the pitch and that’s what counts, there is in no way Ronaldo can be responsible for Maguire running into Shaw or Pogba dancing on it in midfield or Greenwood and Bruno not tracking runners, these things are out of his hands.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Let me get this straight...everywhere Ronaldo has been its everyone else’s fault when shit goes south? Don’t speak for entire fan bases ...there are plenty of Juve fans who would disagree...Juve dropped a level because they needed to play to Ronaldo’s strengths which are not in any way as potent as they were at Madrid.

Juventus hired a manager with zero experience and weakened the squad pretty much every season. I think most Juventus fans agree with that.

When I have seen Juventus fans be upset with Ronaldo, it is because they think Ronaldo's salary prevented Juventus from buying other good players, which meant the squad was too weak.

 

[Bebestation]

That would explain Juventus' defensive record. But how does it explain United conceding 6 against Spurs and 4 against Liverpool last season?

I'm not backing Ole here but do you really think we are playing better than last season?

Martial played in the 6-1 vs spurs and also got sent off in the 28th min. Maybe also showing the need for pressing and energy.

The 4-2 loss to Liverpool was a loss but wasn't a 5-0 was it and we also had Lindelof and Bailly in defence?

I'm not saying we were a consistent side but we were a side people expected to challenge for the title - something has changed and gotten worse.

People think Ronaldo is all positives to the club and no negatives. Then so be it. I'm sure it will get shown eventually.

 

[Bebestation]

He’s thirty fecking six! Of course he is deteriorating we all do that’s life but he’s still delivering on the pitch and that’s what counts, there is in no way Ronaldo can be responsible for Maguire running into Shaw or Pogba dancing on it in midfield or Greenwood and Bruno not tracking runners, these things are out of his hands.

How the hell are you blaming Bruno for not tracking runners and then not Ronaldo. That's just unfair.

 

[MrEleson]

Let me get this straight...everywhere Ronaldo has been its everyone else’s fault when shit goes south? Don’t speak for entire fan bases ...there are plenty of Juve fans who would disagree...Juve dropped a level because they needed to play to Ronaldo’s strengths which are not in any way as potent as they were at Madrid. He basically scores goals now. That’s it. Nothing else. He averaged about 1 assist every 6 games at Juve. He is not a player that plays for the team in any way or contributes more then goals. Which is fine...if you can afford the flip side of that which is playing with 10 men out of possession.

You said no team in the world could accommodate a Ronaldo who doesn’t press and spends most of his time in the box which is factually incorrect as evidenced by his last 2 seasons at Madrid. His game really isn’t that different now than it was back then, he just plays with significantly worse players which is why some of his weakness are exacerbated. Put him in a team that can use him correctly - and he excels and not to detriment of the side either.

And yes Juve really went down a level because of Ronaldo and not because of their diabolical investments in the squad, giving huge salaries to deadwood like Ramsey, Can, Danilo and co...
Extending Khedira who is now retired, etc

5 of the players in their starting XI from Ronaldo’s first season is either retired or playing in MLS or Turkey right now. Compare their squads from 2014-16 to now and tell me if there isn’t a night and day difference.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

It wasn’t a noticeable issue at all. He was actually the best player for Juve by a mile against both Lyon and Ajax with most Juventus fans even acknowledging that it was the team failed him in those ties. They lost due to individual errors. It was only against Porto that he struggled and rewatching how they lost those games, it had nothing to do with his pressing (or lack of thereof). If it was, why was it never mentioned or even a point of discussion? No clue where this absurd idea has suddenly come from. And your Dele alli point holds no value. He isn’t the same kind of professional as Ronaldo, he obviously slacked off mentally which is why he isn’t the same player he was 3 years ago. Not the same for Ronaldo. Lewandowski is scoring more than before but he arguably isn’t a better all-round player at 33 than he was some years ago. Only Benzema is the anomaly.

Did you watch Real Madrid in Ronaldo’s last 2 seasons? He was unquestionably playing in a front 2 with Benzema as part of a 4-4-2 diamond formation.

The team always fails Ronaldo, but it's never his fault? Nobody else can score when he's on the pitch, but when he's not playing, most teams score the same number of goals without him. Juventus scored 86 goals in the league before he arrives, but score 70 goals the season after he arrives? Dybala goes from scoring 10 goals in 22 goals? Probably his fault, not Ronaldo's? Just like it's Bruno's fault he's only scored 1 goal in 10 games, not Ronaldo's. Their goals conceded then rise from 24 in 2017-18 to 30, 43 and 38.

Man City have scored 20 goals in the league this season without a striker. Liverpool have scored 27 with workhorse Firmino as central striker. Chelsea scored 11 goals in a week where their two main strikers were injured.

Dele Alli is just a case of how football changes over 3 years, not about Alli as an individual. The point was that a lot of things have happened and changed since then, time moves on over more than 3 years. Aguero and David Silva were firing for Man City. Mourinho's United led by Lukaku were second in the league. Klopp hadn't won a trophy with Liverpool. Wenger was only leaving as Arsenal manager. This was the football world in 2018.

 

[Kostov]

You really think that Maguire, Shaw etc doesn't have a clue how to do basic defending?

Considering how they defended for that 2nd or was it 3rd I am not sure myself, and I am one of their biggest fans on here.

 

[MrEleson]

The team always fails Ronaldo, but it's never his fault? Nobody else can score when he's on the pitch, but when he's not playing, most teams score the same number of goals without him. Juventus scored 86 goals in the league before he arrives, but score 70 goals the season after he arrives? Dybala goes from scoring 10 goals in 22 goals? Probably his fault, not Ronaldo's? Just like it's Bruno's fault he's only scored 1 goal in 10 games, not Ronaldo's. Their goals conceded then rise from 24 in 2017-18 to 30, 43 and 38.

Man City have scored 20 goals in the league this season without a striker. Liverpool have scored 27 with workhorse Firmino as central striker. Chelsea scored 11 goals in a week where their two main strikers were injured.

Dele Alli is just a case of how football changes over 3 years, not about Alli as an individual. The point was that a lot of things have happened and changed since then, time moves on over more than 3 years. Aguero and David Silva were firing for Man City. Mourinho's United led by Lukaku were second in the league. Klopp hadn't won a trophy with Liverpool. Wenger was only leaving as Arsenal manager. This was the football world in 2018.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Juventus declined markedly as a team when Ronaldo joined. This is a fact. Even the staunchest Juve fan would tell you this. And your point about Dybala isnt valid considering he literally won the Serie A MVP award playing next to Ronaldo in the 19/20 season.

Btw, Real Madrid struggled massively for goals after he left. They had their lowest season tallies in more than a decade in the immediate 2 years after CR’s departure. Even their 19/20 la liga triumph was primarily down to the defence. They’re only just now recovering, finally and even then, they’re still one signing away from properly replacing him.

 

[Deery]

How the hell are you blaming Bruno for not tracking runners and then not Ronaldo. That's just unfair.

Look at the first goal again Bruno is miles away from play and not tracking runners even Ian Wright alluded to it on motd.

 

[Kostov]

Tbh I'm really tired of listening to people asking other players to do the hard work to cover for Ronaldo's lack thereof.

First, it's not fair. Why can't Ronaldo do a bit more to help the team instead? Cavani is 34 yo and he still running his heart out for the team. Ronaldo, the physical monster, the phenomenal athlete, the one who age doesn't matter according to his fanboies surely would do what 34 yo Cavani could?

Second, those people don't have a clue how a pressing system work. Let's take Liverpool for example, or any team who employ a high pressing system. Their #9s always have the highest pressing rate among the strikers in the league. While their wingers often have much lesser. Why? It's fecking simple. Because the #9 is generally responsible to press two CBs around him. He's actually the only player in the whole system is tasked with pressing two opponent's players. So of course he has to run his arse off. While the wingers only presses when the opponent's FB in their respective wing has the ball. Asking the wingers or midfielders to do the pressing work for the #9 is simply one of the stupidest things I've read. They'll leave fecking gaps behind them and make the whole system a mess if they do so.

Have some nice, simple read here about how pressing work and you'd have an idea I think.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/football/analysis-how-high-pressing-game-works-football

Mate nobody says that pressing doesn't work that way, the problem is, compared to the top sides (liverpool) we are absolute amateurs regarding pressing and it was happening before Ronaldo. So why now all of a sudden everybody jumps on here to blame Ronaldo? Did anyone in this horribly run football club of ours actually offered Ronaldo in order for him to play and press like Roberto Firmino? Did they feck? If so then fair fecking play make him do that and if he doesn't follow instruction bench him. But if you know what you get from Cristiano Ronaldo, and still play him, with 2 absolutely average CMs who can't hold any fecking defensive shape, wingers not tracking back, and your CB getting left behind on the half way line, what the hell are we asking from Cristiano Ronaldo?

That was my point, we have no clue how to press even without him, and now when we have him we blame Ronaldo for failing that have been existent for how long?

 

[Mickson]

Considering how they defended for that 2nd or was it 3rd I am not sure myself, and I am one of their biggest fans on here.

Strange that they did last season, and for England as well, but now suddenly have forgotten about it. Can it have anything to do with who their coach is....

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Football is a team game, so it's true that a player's influence goes beyond their output. But we shouldn't get too clever here. A player who is good at his core responsibility (in this case scoring goals) should not result in a team playing poorly, especially when it comes to output at the other end of the field. I would hope nobody here thinks that if United suffer a goal drought, it mostly comes down to David de Gea.

 

[MrEleson]

Tbh I'm really tired of listening to people asking other players to do the hard work to cover for Ronaldo's lack thereof.

First, it's not fair. Why can't Ronaldo do a bit more to help the team instead? Cavani is 34 yo and he still running his heart out for the team. Ronaldo, the physical monster, the phenomenal athlete, the one who age doesn't matter according to his fanboies surely would do what 34 yo Cavani could?

Second, those people don't have a clue how a pressing system work. Let's take Liverpool for example, or any team who employ a high pressing system. Their #9s always have the highest pressing rate among the strikers in the league. While their wingers often have much lesser. Why? It's fecking simple. Because the #9 is generally responsible to press two CBs around him. He's actually the only player in the whole system is tasked with pressing two opponent's players. So of course he has to run his arse off. While the wingers only presses when the opponent's FB in their respective wing has the ball. Asking the wingers or midfielders to do the pressing work for the #9 is simply one of the stupidest things I've read. They'll leave fecking gaps behind them and make the whole system a mess if they do so.

Have some nice, simple read here about how pressing work and you'd have an idea I think.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/football/analysis-how-high-pressing-game-works-football

Huh? Comparing the #9 in Liverpool’s system is utterly futile when his job in the team is completely different from Ronaldo’s. He’s not even in there to primarily score goals. That’s the job of the wingers. United’s set-up and use of Ronaldo couldn’t be more different.

 

[MrEleson]

All those blaming Ronaldo for the 0-5, who was to blame for the team shipping 6 against Spurs last season?

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Juventus scored 86 goals in the league before he arrives, but score 70 goals the season after he arrives?

I would strongly advise that you don't try to make the argument that Cristiano Ronaldo can't score goals.

 

[snk123]

Considering how they defended for that 2nd or was it 3rd I am not sure myself, and I am one of their biggest fans on here.

 

[Kostov]

Look at the first goal in that video - how Ronaldo's lack of pressing moves Bruno out of position, then Greenwood’s out of position, then Wan Bissaka out of position, Lindelof out of position then Maguire and finally Shaw - and then an easy goal for Liverpool.

You've mentioned everybody except the actual 2 men midfield we have, who are supposedly good and defensive work, AND on that same goal especially Fred watched as Keita (Liverpool's midfielder runs into our box and scores an easy goal. I mean what was that? what kind of game plan involves a defensively oriented midfielder not to follow up a runner? Was it instruction? If so okey it's the coaches fault? Was he tired? In the 5th minute? And somehow we go to Ronaldo. I mean really?
first goal

Listen People are going to disagree but our football was better last year.

I'm not saying our midfield was perfect or our defence was perfect - but ultimately this problem I'm highlighting in this video did not exist. It was not there.

We had no clue how to collectively press even before Ronaldo, and our football last year was just as bad, Liverpool spanked us at Old traford 5 months ago, and they played a 17 year old kid at CB. Was it Ronaldo's fault back then also?

I personally am not one of his bigger fans, but our problems are much much more obvious.

 

[Bebestation]

Look at the first goal again Bruno is miles away from play and not tracking runners even Ian Wright alluded to it on motd.

And again in the video it explains why this happens.

Ronaldo doesn't press at the start. So Bruno goes to press as a 442. However, as Bruno is going to press Ronaldo is staying still so this opens up space for the Liverpool ball playing CB's to pick up their midfielders in absolute free space.

So Bruno stops pressing and then Greenwood goes to press with Ronaldo, however as he is coming from RW he has to press both the Liverpool’s LB Robertson and the CB van dijk with his runs - a curved pressing run.

Greenwood does this wrong and it opens up space for the Robertson who who Wan Bissaka goes to press (because Greenwood went for the press as our pressing trigger), then lindelof, then Maguire, then Shaw then finally Liverpool had all of our LB space for a free goal.

I'm not sure why you think it's Bruno's fault and not Ronaldo's.

You clearly don't want to watch the video incase it hurts your opinion of on Ronaldo.


Videos, stats, reality and everything - not from United supporters or Ronaldo supporters.

Okay I'm done here as I'm not finding this interesting anymore.

Enjoy Ronaldo's time here, I enjoy his useful goals but these last minute goals should come off the bench and score some headed goals for us. He is not a prime player who we build a team around at the age of 36. So many faults and weaknesses and yet strengths I can count all in one hand - leadership, decent finishing, heading and maybe some good looks, nothing much else.

 

[Connoisseur]

I rarely if ever saw any Juventus fans criticise him for lack of pressing (I rarely ever saw them suffer because of it too). Ronaldo has always been known for his low defensive contribution, which has been universally accepted his entire career until now.

It hindered us massively. We just had two coaches who wanted us to press high, but we just couldn't do it effectively and a big reason was Ronaldo's low work-rate off the ball. Of course you could also argue that those coaches were wrong to try and play a style that didn't suit our superstar player.

 

[Kostov]

Strange that they did last season, and for England as well, but now suddenly have forgotten about it. Can it have anything to do with who their coach is....

I am not trying to absolve Ole from any blame, but some of their defending is criminal and nothing to do with the manager. Maybe Maguire is unfit but nobody else to blame and I have defended him on here countless times.

 

[Strelok]

Mate nobody says that pressing doesn't work that way, the problem is, compared to the top sides (liverpool) we are absolute amateurs regarding pressing and it was happening before Ronaldo. So why now all of a sudden everybody jumps on here to blame Ronaldo? Did anyone in this horribly run football club of ours actually offered Ronaldo in order for him to play and press like Roberto Firmino? Did they feck? If so then fair fecking play make him do that and if he doesn't follow instruction bench him. But if you know what you get from Cristiano Ronaldo, and still play him, with 2 absolutely average CMs who can't hold any fecking defensive shape, wingers not tracking back, and your CB getting left behind on the half way line, what the hell are we asking from Cristiano Ronaldo?

That was my point, we have no clue how to press even without him, and now when we have him we blame Ronaldo for failing that have been existent for how long?

Run a bit more? Showed everyone that he cares about the team, the club a bit more than himself?

Or for his fans: stop asking other players to do the hard work for him. Because it's stupid and never gonna work.

Tbf it's not entirely his fault that he's kept been giving starts. Ole has been a coward. But if he does start, he should do more for the team. If he cares a bit about the club.

Btw it's simply a new invention that I see Ronaldo's fanboies keep repeating everywhere that we didn't know how to press last season. Remember how many goals we scored from pressing the opponents till they made a mistake and then our quick transition? It was a major part of how we used to play and it's all gone now. Ever wonder why?

 

[Bebestation]

All those blaming Ronaldo for the 0-5, who was to blame for the team shipping 6 against Spurs last season?

Martial. He who also doesn't press but people were happy to complain about what his lack of effort caused us. He probably does more pressing than Ronaldo who is probably the lowest in the league this season. Martial also got a red vs Spurs so we were playing 10 men if I remember quite early in the game.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

I would strongly advise that you don't try to make the argument that Cristiano Ronaldo can't score goals.

That's not what I said though is it? Team, not individual. Juventus buy Ronaldo, one of the greatest goalscorers of all-time, but the team scores of lot fewer goals. How do you explain it when that happens?

 

[evil_geko]

@Bebestation you can't argue reason with Ronaldo fanboys, they will just throw some stats and numbers at you constantly without any context.

 

[Strelok]

Huh? Comparing the #9 in Liverpool’s system is utterly futile when his job in the team is completely different from Ronaldo’s. He’s not even in there to primarily score goals. That’s the job of the wingers. United’s set-up and use of Ronaldo couldn’t be more different.

I said any team which employ a high pressing system. Liverpool is only an example. City has same with Jesus.

You can't see how bloody stupid it is to ask other fowards or midfielders to do the pressing work of a #9 in a pressing system?

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

stop asking other players to do the hard work for him.

The hard work is scoring goals, not pressing. Maybe you mean the 'thankless' work or something like that.

 

[Deery]

And again in the video it explains why this happens.

Ronaldo doesn't press at the start. So Bruno goes to press as a 442. However, as Bruno is going to press Ronaldo is staying still so this opens up space for the Liverpool ball playing CB's to pick up their midfielders in absolute free space.

So Bruno stops pressing and then Greenwood goes to press with Ronaldo, however as he is coming from RW he has to press both the Liverpool’s LB Robertson and the CB van dijk with his runs - a curved pressing run.

Greenwood does this wrong and it opens up space for the Robertson who who Wan Bissaka goes to press (because Greenwood went for the press as our pressing trigger), then lindelof, then Maguire, then Shaw then finally Liverpool had all of our LB space for a free goal.

I'm not sure why you think it's Bruno's fault and not Ronaldo's.

You clearly don't want to watch the video incase it hurts your opinion of on Ronaldo.


Videos, stats, reality and everything - not from United supporters or Ronaldo supporters.

Okay I'm done here as I'm not finding this interesting anymore.

Enjoy Ronaldo's time here, I enjoy his useful goals but these last minute goals should come off the bench and score some headed goals for us. He is not a prime player who we build a team around at the age of 36. So many faults and weaknesses and yet strengths I can count all in one hand - leadership, decent finishing, heading and maybe some good looks, nothing much else.

And again that’s on Bruno for neglecting his position running to press the keeper which he shouldn’t have done then not picking up his runner for the goal which is basic stuff.

 

[Deery]

@Bebestation you can't argue reason with Ronaldo fanboys, they will just throw some stats and numbers at you constantly without any context.

You can’t argue when you’re proved wrong repeatedly either..

 

[sullydnl]

Obviously bringing in 36 year old Ronaldo who is past his best and can't press during an era when a high press is such a dominant approach poses problems tactically. It may well be one of the main issues facing a new manager and a lot of managers would likely conclude that he needs to be benched because their system and gameplan can't carry him.

That doesn't explain the shambles we've been this season under Solskjaer though. The most you can say is that Ronaldo's arrival exacerbated the consequences of a more fundamental pre-existing problem, whit was our management team's inability to put a coherent plan and structure together.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

That's not what I said though is it? Team, not individual. Juventus buy Ronaldo, one of the greatest goalscorers of all-time, but the team scores of lot fewer goals. How do you explain it when that happens?

Real Madrid lost him at the same time, and scored way fewer goals (94 to 63). How do you square these two facts? Is Ronaldo the quantum footballer?

 

[Bebestation]

And again that’s on Bruno for neglecting his position running to press the keeper which he shouldn’t have done then not picking up his runner for the goal which is basic stuff.

No Bruno didn't press, Greenwood pressed to stop the ball playing CB'S having a freedom to pick whoever they want in midfield for the first goal.

It is so weird how you are having a go for Bruno for neglecting his position or some shit but nothing for Ronaldo for not pressing. Are you going to blame Ronaldo for neglecting his position too? Because he is doing that you know.

All he has to do is sit between van dijk and the other CB and yet he can't even do that because he was never a full central striker - he was very prone towards the left hand side of the pitch. He can't even position himself as a central striker and block the lanes of the two CB'S because he was never a lone ST in his career, he was a winger playing at an angle. Does Ronaldo get any blame for neglecting his position? Nope. Not from you. It's like Arjen Robben playing as a striker.

Just don't worry. I'm wrong your right. Bruno is the shit player running around whilst Ronaldo can play with a cigar.

Should have bloody kept Rooney still and played him in midfield at his own tempo and you know - let him do his own thing.

 

[Kostov]

Run a bit more? Showed everyone that he cares about the team, the club a bit more than himself?

Have we come to Ronaldo to run a bit more in order to solve our absolutely shambolic situation? Cristiano fecking Ronaldo? Are you serious? One of the greatest players of all time, still scoring goals on regular basis, we surround him with dross like McT and Fred, team is shipping in 4 goals in one half and we need Ronaldo to run a bit more?

Or for his fans: stop asking other players to do the hard work for him. Because it's stupid and never gonna work.

Maybe he should come back and track Keita for the first goal?

Btw it's simply a new invention that I see Ronaldo's fanboies keep repeating everywhere that we didn't know how to press last season. Remember how many goals we scored from pressing the opponents till they made a mistake and then our quick transition? It was a major part of how we used to play and it's all gone now. Ever wonder why?

Really? How many? please refresh my memory? I seem to remember this team being absolute shit at pressing even before Cristiano Ronaldo? Or was Klopp coaching us last season?

 

[Strelok]

The hard work is scoring goals, not pressing. Maybe you mean the 'thankless' work or something like that.

Well if waiting for his teammates to provide him with chances to score is hard work.

And keep running and pressing for 90' is not? That's a new definition.

That's probably why all our forwards prefer the "hard work" more than pressing now. Then stop blamming them for being selfish, not press on behalf of our superstar or ask them to press on behalf of him. They all try to do the "hard work" now.