Totally agree. Usually thats done inhouse, but it seems all of the coaching setup is at fault so it probably wouldnt help.
But keeping them at the job is just as bad.
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But keeping them at the job is just as bad.
Yeah, this is my take on it too, you just word things perfectly; as always!
No hope in this board for me, they don't have a plan B in place, it's all just hope and vibes. I used to wonder how Liverpool went so long without a league win and now I understand it, we're heading the same way.
If this club has such low standards I wish they would stop banging on about the biggest club in the world horseshit, while we live on past glories, much like Liverpool for a long time; the very thing we mocked them for! Life is ironic I guess.
My worry is we win one or two and decide to keep him.
Everyone wants him gone but everyone is also split on who should succeed him. I am beginning to think it probably is for the best that he sticks around a bit longer that his successor can be identified and approached. It is shit for Ole that he will likely know he is dead man walking and the next run of games are likely to be abysmal but the next appointment absolutely has to be right.
He’s been given 3 games. If he’s as shit as everyone on here is saying and completely lost the dressing room he’s gone after Spurs. Bit melodramatic? Tank the season…
I fear this is the case. They didn’t plan for this, and now that it has happened, and they’ve got Conte practically begging for the job, the only noise that comes out is that they don’t want him and want Pochettino, who’s unattainable and quite possibly yesterday’s man, but apparently a Fergie favourite.
Only hope is that either we’re greatly mistaken and they are indeed looking for a successor, or the situation becomes untenable so quickly that they have no choice but to act soon.
Yep that's how I feel too. No way our board is actually working on something behind the scenes. I don't believe it. They are running our club into the ground.
I understand why most want Ole out, change is probably due, but I really can’t comprehend why grown men feel the need to spew absolute disgusting insults towards him. It says a lot more about them than it does Ole.
Our divisive & hatred fuelled society makes me feel ill at times.
Our divisive & hatred fuelled society makes me feel ill at times.
Largely what I expected to happen.
Gives the club time to determine how they will move forward from here.
Conte is not the answer. So we will likely see an interim come in.
Next two games will probably determine if Ole stays or goes.
Gives the club time to determine how they will move forward from here.
Conte is not the answer. So we will likely see an interim come in.
Next two games will probably determine if Ole stays or goes.
It's crazy that 3 out of 4 managers post Fergie (Moyes, Jose, Ole to be followed) needed full team mutiny to get the sack. Things had to hit pretty much rock bottom every time. Tells you all you need to know about our board and their proactive thinking. There were huge warning signs the whole season with the team having no direction, playing with zero cohesion in what can only be described as suicidal tactics. Yet, come Monday morning the whole board was caught off guard with players pretty much forcing the issue.
You have to question the whole decision making process in the club and is there any person between the manager and the board who has any kind of influence, independence and power when it comes to football side of things. John Murtough? Darren Fletcher? How come nobody saw this coming through the dressing room or just and simply by opening their eyes and watching us play?
I have no problem that the club wants to take time and think carefully about the next appointment, but the fact that the whole situation had to blow straight into their faces to start thinking and considering Ole sack is worrying to say the least.
You have to question the whole decision making process in the club and is there any person between the manager and the board who has any kind of influence, independence and power when it comes to football side of things. John Murtough? Darren Fletcher? How come nobody saw this coming through the dressing room or just and simply by opening their eyes and watching us play?
I have no problem that the club wants to take time and think carefully about the next appointment, but the fact that the whole situation had to blow straight into their faces to start thinking and considering Ole sack is worrying to say the least.
I can't see him making changes for the Tottenham game. Why would bringing in players he's recently pissed off, long-shunted or who've stood up to him and challenged his authority make sense when you're naming an XI for a game to potentially save your job? He'll go with players he thinks he still has loyalty from, those he's regularly named in the starting line-up.
Unless there are injuries it'll be the same XI going forward. Cheeky e/w bet on him proclaiming 'they played really well last time' like he did just before the Liverpool game.
Unless there are injuries it'll be the same XI going forward. Cheeky e/w bet on him proclaiming 'they played really well last time' like he did just before the Liverpool game.
I think the chances of keeping him are very low, after all the leaks in the media. For me the real worry is how much damage they allow him to do before sacking him, and what they do after that.
The ‘give him more time’ option growing is rather alarming 
Yeah, I get that after what Jose did to the club, but not sure comparing him with the not-quite-so-special one is entirely fair. I can't recall all the details of Conte's fallout with the Chelsea board, but I do recall him winning the league with a Chelsea side that finished midtable the season before, and he did so at a canter. His Chelsea side that season reminded me of Jose's Chelsea side during his first stint in charge, absolutely top notch, practically unbeatable. Then it all went pear shaped the following season, which was hilarious as a United fan
If he could bring just a taste of that to Old Trafford, great. If not, well, we're used to being shit by now so whatever.
A Manchester United fan worried that Manchester United might win some football matches.
God help this fan base.
He’s going to go with his trusted and loyal McFred again in midfield at Spurs, isn’t he? He will probably start Cavani as well and move Ronaldo to the left
They would be even more stupid than I ever thought if they are not working behind the scenes. The problem is that very few are likely to be available until the end of the season - Poch, ten Hag etc
God help yourself chap. Reading what isn't written must be a strong suit of yours.
I want us to win the games. Never said I didn't.
I just hope we aren't stupid enough to keep Ole based on that. I hope we win all 3 and let him go the day the very next day cause we have seen everything we need to.
Win lose or draw our next 3 Ole has to go. If your opinion is so easily swayed based in one or two games then that is on you
Think it's more the "decide to keep him" part.
If losing met the board got of the pot and got rid and winning meant they decide whatever else happens between now and the end of the year he's shown enough to continue in the job then sorry, I know what option I'd take. Couldn't give a shit if my 'Top Red' membership gets revoked.
From my understanding of the DOF announcement, I thought Fletcher was supposed to act as the middle-man between Murtough and Ole/the squad. Hence his presence around the training ground. Might not be right but that's the impression I was under.
The Man Utd manager gig must be the best to get in world football. Even if you're shit at your job it's *really* tough to get the sack. In fact, you're more likely to get offfered a 3 year contract than get the sack.
It's the opposite of how every other big club operates.
It's the opposite of how every other big club operates.
Ole is on probation. He'll be gone before football resumes after the break. Might be Spurs, might be Atalanta, but definitely after City.
The upcoming match against Spurs will tell the tail I think. If he approaches it with no change in personnel, the inevitable is closer than you think.
I predict we'll draw Spurs, lose at Atalanta and City. That will be the end of Ole as manager of Manchester United. 13 pts off the top of the table somewhere between 10-13th place after 11 matches.
Sounds grim. Don't shoot the messenger.
The upcoming match against Spurs will tell the tail I think. If he approaches it with no change in personnel, the inevitable is closer than you think.
I predict we'll draw Spurs, lose at Atalanta and City. That will be the end of Ole as manager of Manchester United. 13 pts off the top of the table somewhere between 10-13th place after 11 matches.
Sounds grim. Don't shoot the messenger.
Is that the guy who gave Theresa May her P45 during a party conference?
Yeah, I didn't mean to pin this on Fletcher, he is new to the job and he most likely doesn't have much influence yet. But, the whole set up looks a bit odd with people having titles without actual or significant power. It looks (again) like our whole football structure is depending on a manager and when he crumbles, everything around him crumbles with us hitting a refresh button every time we change one. It's probably a massive reason why we hesitate to pull the plug on them and things go from bad to worse.
Then you count in the obvious strong influence that Fergie still has and the whole decision making process becomes even more strange.
I hope he plays VDB and Matic, with them being transformed into our two best midfielders on account of not being good enough and too old to play every week.
Donny vs Harry Kane would be the half arsed Ali vs Frazier
If he does that it undermines him even more doesn't it? Like it would be stupidity on his part to use players he has no faith in to try to save his job. If they do well it shows he has no clue as a manager and he's only doing it because he's being forced into it.
There is definitely a different tone about what the club said today to last weeks full backing stuff
if we lose to Atalanta it basically tanks the season, yeah. Have to beat Villarreal to stay in the CL (resulting in the same kind of pressure we buckled under going into the Leipzig game) much less chance of a great manager coming in mid season to manage a side in the Europa. Bigger chance of players wanting away, and less chance of attracting them in Jan too.. it might be just 3 games, but there are all sorts of precarious knock ons… which is why this is such an almighty cluster feck!
The whole idea that we’ve made such great strides under Ole is based on the notion that Jose left us in such a horrendous state that it needed 3 whole years just to get us back to the place Jose was 6 months before he melted down (2nd and a lost cup final)…. Something that required such a monumental overhaul that we started the last 2 games with 7 players from Jose’s reign still in the side…
And if Jose could tank the club to such a extent it required a lengthy and comprehensive rebuild, a mere few months after finishing 2nd and reaching a cup final (having won two the previous year) how exactly can Ole’s current meltdown - with 7 of the same players, and no previous trophies - NOT be seen in the same kind of terms? Especially if allowed to continue on further, to the point where we can potentially go out of the CL - something not even managed in Jose’s evil scorched earth last half of a season?
And how can any of that not be seen as a humongous lowering of standards?
And don’t get me wrong, I’d love them to be buying themselves time to find the perfect manager, but … are they doing that??! This is our board we’re taking about. I don’t have the answers, but everything just seems so fecking grim.
Fair play Conte, did well not to shove the mike down his throat.
Europa would be a step up for our seemingly only candidate, after he managed to finish bottom of his last CL group.
I wouldn't even mind him sticking around until the end of season if they have a replacement like Ten Hag lined up and they announce it publicly. That shows some amount of long term thinking and courage from the board.
Which is why I have reservations about Conte. It’s mad how we’ve got ourselves into this position where this supposedly really promising and competitive squad we’ve taken 3 years to build for some hypothetical next man to come in an clean up with, can’t find a single suitable manager to get the best out of it!!
The Banter FC crown is ours again! Woohoo
You wouldn't mind the players being forced to play for a manager they don't respect for the next 7 months? Do you want everyone to ask to leave?
Yeah I could partly accept that but would want us to put someone else in temporary charge until then
Why even do that?
In that case hire Ten Hag for the summer and get a tactically sound coach to be caretaker for the season.
He’s turning us into a genuine banter club now, I just heard Leeds fans sing ‘Ole’s at the wheel’ in their game at the Emirates…
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Getting the players back on his side is his job as a man manager. Assume Fergie is there to help out for the same reason as well. For what it's worth, I don't think any internal promotion (Fletcher / Carrick / McKenna) is going to be respected and there's no one we can get from outside that's both better than Ole and would work for a short contract. (Blanc has been mentioned but no concrete links so far)
We have to think about the next 3 years and not the next 3 games. If Conte is really the right guy for the job, sure, sack immediately and go get Conte. But if they have reservations, they should stick with Ole until they're sure and not bend to external pressure.
Any concrete links? I've seen some folks say Blanc but no actual good caretakers.
Much rather Ole than Fletcher / Giggs / Rooney / Bruce / whoever.
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