Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%
  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%

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Never seen Nepotism like this at any club at any level. We all like to blame the non football people a lot but the football people are even a bigger problem at this club. From Sir Alex to Fletcher to ole to neville in the media, they all are part of this huge mess. Nepotism runs at this club to the very core where all of these people care about their mates more than the fans and club itself. We have seen one idiotic decision after another at this club for a long time based on favouritism and nepotism rather than merit. From appointing moyes to carrick to Fletcher to ole to playing favorites like mctom to criticising everyone but the English contingent. This whole nexus works like a machine where they take care of themselves whereas us fans are nothing but pawns who are only useful for romanticism and nostalgia to keep the status quo.
 

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This is a problem. They won't throw the towel in but are they really motivated to keep Ole in a job? I am expecting a Spurs win for exactly this reason.
I think they'll probably give it their all as they're professionals who will want to respond to getting battered by their bitter rivals. And I can see winning regardless of who the manager is. Spurs are crap and their talisman is struggling.
 

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Great intuition me. When the new manager arrives we will see if I’m right.

But it’s pretty obvious on the pitch. He has zero authority.
One thing is authority, the other is 'most of the squad' hate him.

But yeah great intuition you.
 

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Called it at the start of the season when we got Varane and Ronaldo in. When you build a top squad, then there's no place to hide. Fans and the actual top class players who have won it all will not take anything less than the absolute best.

He may not be the worst man-manager, but the moment you prove yourself to be decisively well below par as a manager then the players will simply throw you under the bus no matter how many dinners you invite them to.

From all accounts, seems like he has alienated a bunch of players. No manager, no matter how good you are, ever comes back from that.
Biggest misconception of all is that Ole has built a great team. No, he hasn't. He bought a bunch of great players and that's about it. These players are not playing well as a team on the pitch and now apparently not doing so good off the pitch either.
 

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I previously would have agreed. In fact, right up until the Leicester game I was of the opinion that he should see out the season, but we should be making contingency plans. But enough is enough.

Monday was the absolute perfect time to sack him. We had just been utterly humiliated by Liverpool at OT which completed a run of 4 points from 15 in the league. Yes, Carrick or whoever, taking over is far from ideal but giving him '3 games' is complicating things. He's going to go into survival mode now and do whatever he thinks necessary not to lose. Even if we get a couple of decent results over the next 3 games, it's clear as day he's not the right man. Worse still, he appears to have lost an element of the dressing room, so it's totally counterproductive keeping him on. The whole situation is beyond farcical.
Fully agreed. Now tbh, not to enthusiastic about Conte, but Ole needs to leave now

The way the club has handled it is beyond pathetic though. Complete silence for 24 hours, where they leave Ole in limbo, and completely strip him of any authority he might have had left, while the press is feasting on our misfortune...

And then they end up doing nothing
 

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Biggest misconception of all is that Ole has built a great team. No, he hasn't. He bought a bunch of great players and that's about it. These players are not playing well as a team on the pitch and now apparently not doing so good off the pitch either.
I said top squad. Not a functional team.
 

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It’s incredibly sad… again, I hate to keep banging this fecking drum, but this is exactly what happened to Liverpool in the 90s, only with at least the background of it having genuinely worked before!… they kept hiring people from the fabled “boot room” because that’s how it’d been done in the 70s & 80s, and they gradually fell further and further behind (ironically) us, until they even had Roy Evans joint manage with Gerrard Houllier because they couldn’t bare to make a clean break!
FFS they even hired Dalglish back in 2011 and we all laughed at them then…. Now we’ve got genuine legends like Fergie, Neville, Rio etc, actively championing us doing the same thing. Repeating all the mistakes of the post Busby-era too.

Lord save us from the nostalgia of Middle aged men. It will eventually destroy the world.

If this is merely all a smokescreen to give us time to find an appropriate replacement, then fair play…. I don’t have nearly the faith in our board some of you seem to though… personally I think they drunk the Kool Aid with Ole and are just in blind panic mode now.
Great post and you’re exactly right, we’re clinging on to the past. By all means believe in the traditions and history of the club but that doesn’t mean everyone we appoint has to be part of the previous regime. In fact we don’t want that background noise, we need to hand the reins over properly.
 

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Bust ups and hard words when things not going well is part of the game and life tbf. I deal with stuff like this in business from time to time. When you work in the high performance segments, it happens.

I have no worries about this what so ever. A new manager who has been in the game for some time will handle this with ease.
 

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:lol: Are you serious?
He is absolutely shocking. I think that in a year or so that will be the majority view of the fan base. Like with many other things, those on the outside can see that but we’re blinded by wanting him to be good. Shaw needs dropping for a long time as well, both has let us down massively this season - and will continue to do so. Their performances are some of the worst I’ve seen from starting defenders at this level.
 

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If this was even remotely true then it wouldn’t bode well for a new manager coming in. Why do we consistently have the most dysfunctional team in the league?
Pretty sure there were similar stories doing the rounds with Lampard at Chelsea last season before he was sacked.
 

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Called it at the start of the season when we got Varane and Ronaldo in. When you build a top squad, then there's no place to hide.
I said exactly the same, although I didn’t expect us to be so shit so fast. The juxtaposition between the quality of player against the clear lack of quality coaching and tactics has been awful to watch.
 

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He is absolutely shocking. I think that in a year or so that will be the majority view of the fan base. Like with many other things, those on the outside can see that but we’re blinded by wanting him to be good. Shaw needs dropping for a long time as well, both has let us down massively this season - and will continue to do so.
Call me crazy but I think he can turn it around and much of it is due to current situation at the club. He had a great World cup and after a lousy start last year he was pretty good.
 

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He is absolutely shocking. I think that in a year or so that will be the majority view of the fan base. Like with many other things, those on the outside can see that but we’re blinded by wanting him to be good. Shaw needs dropping for a long time as well, both has let us down massively this season - and will continue to do so. Their performances are some of the worst I’ve seen from starting defenders at this level.
Don’t be daft. Yes, his form has been shocking this season so far but he’s a very good player. His form is a mystery but there are factors which could explain that. Not quite over injury or just the product of the team environment right now, he’s not the only one on the team playing shit.
 

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One thing is authority, the other is 'most of the squad' hate him.

But yeah great intuition you.
Try being in a football dressing room and giving the captain armband to an outsider from a lower level team.

It’s not his fault. It was just a poor collective decision from the staff.

He might recover. He might not. But DDG will have the armband rightfully soon.
 

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I said exactly the same, although I didn’t expect us to be so shit so fast. The juxtaposition between the quality of player against the clear lack of quality coaching and tactics has been awful to watch.
Exactly. I didn't think we would be this shite but we seem to have regressed somehow.
 

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Call me crazy but I think he can turn it around and much of it is due to current situation at the club. He had a great World cup and after a lousy start last year he was pretty good.
Paul merson nailed it with his assessment - Maguire looks great in a back 5 but in a 4 he is exposed for his lack of pace and mobility, especially playing a high line. Nothing good will come of persisting with him, seriously. But he’s safe as anyone in that team.
 

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Don’t be daft. Yes, his form has been shocking this season so far but he’s a very good player. His form is a mystery but there are factors which could explain that. Not quite over injury or just the product of the team environment right now, he’s not the only one on the team playing shit.
He’s not. No way near the level we should be aspiring to. Lindelof and Varane are our best 2 CB’s. Just like with ole - stop making excuses for the string of abject performances, of which there will be many more to come.
 

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Paul merson nailed it with his assessment - Maguire looks great in a back 5 but in a 4 he is exposed for his lack of pace and mobility, especially playing a high line. Nothing good will come of persisting with him, seriously. But he’s safe as anyone in that team.
Not every CB has pace and is mobile but some are doing good regardless.
He's safe with Ole, wont be safe with a new manager but its silly just to give up on him, if a new manager will know how to use him he should be fine.
Paul Merson is the last guy I'd listen to on any matter. :)
 

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He’s not. No way near the level we should be aspiring to. Lindelof and Varane are our best 2 CB’s. Just like with ole - stop making excuses for the string of abject performances, of which there will be many more to come.
Varane is our best CB.
Lindelof, he's good at making a pass I guess.
 

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He’s not. No way near the level we should be aspiring to. Lindelof and Varane are our best 2 CB’s. Just like with ole - stop making excuses for the string of abject performances, of which there will be many more to come.
I’m pretty certain Maguire and Varane will be just fine. Maguire had a good season last year, one of our most consistent players but somethings not right currently I admit but then, look at the rest of the team also.
 

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Try being in a football dressing room and giving the captain armband to an outsider from a lower level team.

It’s not his fault. It was just a poor collective decision from the staff.

He might recover. He might not. But DDG will have the armband rightfully soon.
You think De Gea has authority?
Not the best captain material either.
 

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Name a player who currently looks right, the whole squad looks disenchanted and at sea. Maguire and Shaw have noticeably gone down a few levels from last season, but they're not the only ones.

De Gea is arguably the only one who looks better than last season. Probably because he's got more to do.
 

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You think De Gea has authority?
Not the best captain material either.
He has respect. The team don’t respect this Leicester City player. It’s a forced admission like McTominay been seen as the managers Roy Keane.

I mean you can’t make it up. You can tell they seen John Terry, Gary Neville, Tony Adams all in Harry Maguire and that’s what made their decision. It was predictable.

G.Nev always gives us links from the club on sky. The last one was that Maguire and a few others were struggling to tame the squad with a few new egos added too.

It’s documented. Go look for it.
 

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Selecting Maguire isn't the problem, the problem is selecting him when he is clearly not match fit when you have other CBs on the bench who have recently renewed their contracts.

One article I saw said that Bailly (rightfully) called him out in front of the squad for picking Maguire. Why bother selecting Bailly at all if you're going to pick unfit players ahead of him? Ole gets lauded as at keast being a good man manager but that is garbage too imo.
 

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Name a player who currently looks right, the whole squad looks disenchanted and at sea.
This. Fecking insane singling out individuals at the minute, there’s clearly a shit storm going on behind the scenes. The whole squad looks lost and in that instance there is only one person to criticise objectively.
 

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He has respect. The team don’t respect this Leicester City player. It’s a forced admission like McTominay been seen as the managers Roy Keane.

I mean you can’t make it up. You can tell they seen John Terry, Gary Neville, Tony Adams all in Harry Maguire and that’s what made their decision. It was predictable.

G.Nev always gives us links from the club on sky. The last one was that Maguire and a few others were struggling to tame the squad with a few new egos added too.

It’s documented. Go look for it.
You give it to me.

For a guy who isn't in United dressing room, you sure know a lot. For instance that De Gea is respected and Maguire isn't.
 

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Selecting Maguire isn't the problem, the problem is selecting him when he is clearly not match fit when you have other CBs on the bench who have recently renewed their contracts.

One article I saw said that Bailly (rightfully) called him out in front of the squad for picking Maguire. Why bother selecting Bailly at all if you're going to pick unfit players ahead of him? Ole gets lauded as at keast being a good man manager but that is garbage too imo.
This is fair. Not that I think Bailly is much better than a half fit Maguire, but that isn't really the point. Ole has shown a ridiculous dedication to picking unfit players throughout his time here.
 

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You give it to me.

For a guy who isn't in United dressing room, you sure know a lot. For instance that De Gea is respected and Maguire isn't.
I just told you Neville gave us insight. Not my fault I listen to things. Did you hear it?
 

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I’m pretty certain Maguire and Varane will be just fine. Maguire had a good season last year, one of our most consistent players but somethings not right currently I admit but then, look at the rest of the team also.
He was shocking for most of last season. The Greece incident was blamed. I’ve given up on him until I see a serious upturn in form that lasts.
 

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Hyperbole at its finest. No doubt the Greece incident had an effect at the start of the season but he came back from that and was largely excellent. To say he was shocking for most of the season is just wrong.
I imagine you’re the type who has a massive issue with Pogba’s lack of defensive discipline but is happy to forget Maguires performances the last couple of weeks. Injury, being overplayed, the Greece incident, there’s always an excuse for him. Before too long it should be a consideration that he’s not good enough.
 

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I can believe the reports of players being upset that Ole sticks with out of form players and others don't get a look in. Hopefully the players aren't fighting amongst themselves too much though, would be a bit toxic for the next guy. Ole has brought it on himself though, his use of the squad is cowardly, if you think half the squad isn't good enough then you've done a shit job putting it together.
 
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