Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%
  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%

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JoaquinJoaquin

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If we lose our next 2 Premierleague games than Ole will be sacked.I think the owners will wait until the international break before they make a change…Personally I feel it would be better if Ole can remain in charge until the end of the season,secure a top 4 finish and then leave.We will have greater options to chose from next summer,so making a change in the summer would be ideal.
But if we keep losing games,then we would obviously have to immediately make a change to stop the rot.The next 3 games will be huge for Ole…
That wouldn't happen with this club though, because if Ole got Top4 they would give him a new deal.
 

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Tbf I'm sure the reserve coach is a nice bloke but he's not very good at setting up a defence so he can keep well away thanks. Phelan would be the obvious stand in. Or, and I mean this with a straight face I assure you, Steve Bruce purely as interim.
Having Phelan or Bruce in the dugout would make the club an even bigger laughing stock, and I say this as someone who has been Ole out for a while.
 

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This no-mans-land where they say "we'll look at sacking him in 2 weeks if we have another bad result" is just ridiculous logic because the options on the market will be the exact same as they are now.
This is even worse because Conte might take over if we ask him now (he doesn't like taking over once into a season). If we lose 3 more games he might just decline as we might be too far behind the crowd.
 

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The problem with our club is this will never happen. If Ole gets a top 4 finish by hook or crook, which should be a standard task given our squad, he will continue. No way he is fired after that.
Mourinho says hi if you think we can't sack a manager mid season. Mind you the dressing room is split just like it was then
 

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Only a miracle can save his job now, he is already under massive pressure and i cant see this team with his guidance going on a great run to get him out of it.
His lack of experience and predictable style of play is so evident, id rather he go and save himself from any more abuse. He looked a broken man sunday.
 

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Aye their levels of incompetence are staggering. They should’ve been putting the feelers out after that Europa final loss and the writing should’ve 100% been on the wall after the Young Boys defeat.
Exactly.
That defeat against Young Boys was the first indication that things were seriously wrong with the team.
 

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What a incompetent bunch of idiots we'v got running this club, fecking clueless. Its fecking criminal that Oles still going to be in charge on Saturday.
 

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Feel free to tear me a new one for this post, but I just wanted to state that I am one of those who have voted to still give him time. So it's not "just oppo fans".
Sunday was a horrible day. Something has got to give, and the players need to take a fair bit of responsibility as well.

But there's nobody available right now that I personally think could do a better job in the long term, so I see no reason to change the manager just for change's sake.
 

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If the reason for not sacking him is really because they didn't have any sucession plan for a manager to follow him, then it shows how shit this club is run from above. We have a bunch of incompetent people running this club and know Jack shit of how to manage a top football club.

They just comforted themselves that Ole is achieving the bar minimum every season so didn't care to think about the future. If it is up to them, they will give him a 20 years contract and forget about him and the team. They just got surprised now that the team is going nowhere with him in charge and discovered they haven't planned anything for what's next, as if Ole will manage us forever.
 

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Having Phelan or Bruce in the dugout would make the club an even bigger laughing stock, and I say this as someone who has been Ole out for a while.
Why? How often do you get a world class interim manager in?
 

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Feel free to tear me a new one for this post, but I just wanted to state that I am one of those who have voted to still give him time. So it's not "just oppo fans".
Sunday was a horrible day. Something has got to give, and the players need to take a fair bit of responsibility as well.

But there's nobody available right now that I personally think could do a better job in the long term, so I see no reason to change the manager just for change's sake.
You don't think Conte would get us better results instantly this season, next season, and the season after? Because there is no point in thinking/prioritizing further than 2-3 years in the future and it's a recipe for continuous failure.
 

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Feel free to tear me a new one for this post, but I just wanted to state that I am one of those who have voted to still give him time. So it's not "just oppo fans".
Sunday was a horrible day. Something has got to give, and the players need to take a fair bit of responsibility as well.

But there's nobody available right now that I personally think could do a better job in the long term, so I see no reason to change the manager just for change's sake.
There are countless managers who are better than Solskjaer he's not adequate enough tactically. Man management wise he probably can be considered elite, his personality helps this. If you consider the team's current form and performance levels the long term effect of keeping Ole in charge could see the team outside the top 10.
 

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If its true they're working on a new manager and 3 games is just to give them time its possible they'll find someone before those 3 games are player, or even 2. Although it might happen we'll see another disaster on Saturday so it will fasten their decision anyway.
 

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Feel free to tear me a new one for this post, but I just wanted to state that I am one of those who have voted to still give him time. So it's not "just oppo fans".
Sunday was a horrible day. Something has got to give, and the players need to take a fair bit of responsibility as well.

But there's nobody available right now that I personally think could do a better job in the long term, so I see no reason to change the manager just for change's sake.
Morale among the players is as low as ever right now, don't think that a new manager and fresh approach might get them going again? Even an interim would give the players a boost for the upcoming games.

What is there to gain from keeping a manager that a number of players and members of the coaching staff have lost faith in?
 

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Feel free to tear me a new one for this post, but I just wanted to state that I am one of those who have voted to still give him time. So it's not "just oppo fans".
Sunday was a horrible day. Something has got to give, and the players need to take a fair bit of responsibility as well.

But there's nobody available right now that I personally think could do a better job in the long term, so I see no reason to change the manager just for change's sake.
Yeah, only one of the best managers in modern football (Conte). Who would want him, right?

Better to find another of Fergie's mates to appoint instead.

Oh, and don't give me the whole "he won't stay for long" - he might, and he's a damn good manager. People are completely delusional when it comes to modern football. We aren't going to be able to appoint some amazing attacking manager who will be here for 10 years and win everything. Doesn't work that way.
 

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There are countless managers who are better than Solskjaer he's not adequate enough tactically. Man management wise he probably can be considered elite, his personality helps this. If you consider the team's current form and performance levels the long term effect of keeping Ole in charge could see the team outside the top 10.
Not sure I agree with the bolded really. He's not on Jose's level in terms of being a Cnut obviously, but he does treat some players oddly.
 

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There are countless managers who are better than Solskjaer he's not adequate enough tactically. Man management wise he probably can be considered elite, his personality helps this. If you consider the team's current form and performance levels the long term effect of keeping Ole in charge could see the team outside the top 10.
Reading the leaks in last couple days I highly doubt this.
 

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There are countless managers who are better than Solskjaer he's not adequate enough tactically. Man management wise he probably can be considered elite, his personality helps this. If you consider the team's current form and performance levels the long term effect of keeping Ole in charge could see the team outside the top 10.
Ole's man management is absolutely laughable and it's showing by how some players are completely undroppable no matter how shit they are while others can breathe fire from their mouths and doesn't get a sniff of a chance.

How many players did actually improve under him anyway? Only Shaw and he has been shit this season because of Ole's awful management or his inflated ego post one good season (which was trophyless).

We have seen the same last few seasons with Rashford, whom Ole inflated his ego so much and made him undroppable which ultimately impacted his form on the pitch.

He rushes injured players back from the injuries because he refuses to give zero truth to his bench options then expects them to perform for him whenever he needs them. Laughable.

Even Pogba whom we were thinking he managed him well, now looks like he wants anything bar playing under him.

His management of the squad has been awful.
 

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Takes them a sentence to start insulting Pogba’s hairstyle… good to know their priorities are right and no dodgy agendas exist with British journalism.

All the old buddies are out and about trying to defend OGS like he’s some little kid :lol:

If that ‘no succession plan’ thing is true then that’s fecking astounding. You’re in a fairly volatile sector of work where stability is a rare commodity and you don’t have a succession plan?

Morons running the club. OGS’ mateys riding to his rescue to stop the big bad fan base from bullying him, as he is comprehensively beaten at home by the biggest rivals who never looked phased by us.

What the feck happens in the boardroom and at training? All of it seems very badly run. It’s a bunch of money man and old Utd boys backslapping each other, as the fans and players look on in bemusement.
This isn't a turning point for Ole. It's a time to thank him for his work, treat him like a human being and tell him we are planning to get in a new manager. Give him the option to stay in post until that is sorted if he wants, or to have the option to leave if he doesn't want to do that and appoint a caretaker.

Briefing half a story to the press, whilst also actively sounding out replacements, to try and save face is just the usual sort of claptrap we have seen from Woodward time and again. Be professional, be respectful of a valued member of the club and speak publicly, on the record. This should all have been agreed and implemented on Monday.

Woodward's management style would get him sacked from a minor logistics company in staffordshire. He's never been upto the job.
this is embarrassing from so many angles. We are the laughing stock and it's hard to argue against being that. A board that hasn't a clue, a manager out of his depth being bigged up by his old buddies , and a squad that look that they just don't believe anymore. Add to that players we signed to make the difference who sit on the bench because we don't know where to play them or get the best out of them because at the end of the day our coaches just aren't that good. It makes me sad to watch this circus to be honest.
Yeah, he should have got the sack after the Liverpool game. That he's still in charge some three days later is outrageous. It wouldn't happen at any remotely well-run football club, let alone a club of United's size and stature.

Ole being in charge for the Spurs game is a disaster waiting to happen. It puts the players in an awful position. They all know deep down, just like the fans, pundits and media outlets, that Ole's time as manager is up. Yet, the board still expect the players to go out there and put in their absolute best performance anyway. How do you put your heart and soul into something when you know it's all going to be in vain? It's not possible.

It's equally shite for the fans too. We all know Ole's time is up, but we're still expected to cheer the team on despite knowing that a victory only delays the inevitable. I've never actively refused to support the side before, but I won't cheer United on Saturday because I'd be a hypocrite of the highest order if I did, false support in every sense of the word. I bet my ass hair I won't be alone there either. Feck the board for putting us in that position.

Ole should not, under any circumstances, be in charge for the Spurs game. If he is, it's a dereliction of duty on behalf of the board, or better yet, Joel Glazer, as the buck stops with him.
If the club thinks there is a lack of viable alternatives right now so they can't sack him - what do they think is going to change in the next 2 weeks?

The options we have right now are the exact same ones we're going to have in November or December when we sack him. So whoever you're going to give the job to in 2 weeks time when City batter us, just give it him now. Otherwise you're conceding that Ole will stay till the summer no matter what which is ridiculous.

If there is a slight delay getting contract sorted for new permanent manager etc. we're better off giving it to someone random for a couple of games like the reserve coach just to relieve the toxic atmosphere in the dressing room. The current circumstances are terrible to try get results under Ole as there's too much unrest.

It's frankly unprofessional for us to not have a succession plan given performances this season. Ole being out his depth hasn't come out the blue, most sane people could see this disaster coming before he even got the job 3 years ago.
Well said all of these. It’s just incredible the now blatantly obvious lack of ANY kind of contingency plan!

FFS, you’ve employed the manager of Molde at Manchester fecking United… surely, even with all the best will in the World, you know that this is an odd appointment that is very likely to fail!? Surely?

I mean, the money these people are ’earning’ from the club, the resources they have at their disposal… surely you have SOME kind of contingency plan for when the statistically very likely to happen actually happens?

Newcastle United have now handled the Bruce situation in a better manner than the Glazers are handling this.

Just make a fecking statement one way or the other. Show some kind of plan.

Cretins. Utter fecking cretins.
 

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There are countless managers who are better than Solskjaer he's not adequate enough tactically. Man management wise he probably can be considered elite, his personality helps this. If you consider the team's current form and performance levels the long term effect of keeping Ole in charge could see the team outside the top 10.
It’s baffling he gets so much credit for man management, maybe it’s what he’s best at but he is in no way elite. He seems to be more liked than respected and judging by all the leaks his man management doesn’t seem anything to be impressed by.
 

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You don't think Conte would get us better results instantly this season, next season, and the season after? Because there is no point in thinking/prioritizing further than 2-3 years in the future and it's a recipe for continuous failure.
So here's probably where my opinions disconnect with many others in the fanbase. I don't want Conte anywhere near the club, similar to how I never wanted Mou to come here. (But if Conte is appointed I will back the manager.)

The below I posted before the match on Sunday, but one game hasn't changed my opinion, even how bad it was (I've felt deflated for days).

For me the results and squad developments over the last years are enough to warrant Djemba-Djemba to stay in the manager seat for the season if it was him. (Or pick any no-name person that wasn't a player here before. Though they would be unlikely to be given the chance like Ole was.)

Compared to where we have been post Fergie I have the most positive outlook on the future with this squad and setup. For me that means Ole deserves the season to deliver a title challenge or CL run. If we fail completely then it's time to approach a different manager in the summer. But there's nobody available right now that I think would do a better job.

I don't want Conte here, similar to how I never wanted Mou. I don't think Zidane would be able to turn things around here either, he seems a better fit for Spain/Italy/France.

If it was up to me I probably would have given Moyes another season, but he made a lot of wrong choices, starting with removing most of Fergie's remaining backroom staff. Add on to the nosedive in the league I understand why the club chose to be ruthless.
I would have supported LVG for another season, even though I found the football excruciatingly boring. I just thought that would have been better than Mourinho.

As the above shows I'm probably a too patient person at times, so y'all should be glad I'm not making any decisions at United. But again I just wanted to put this out there cause I was annoyed at the claims that just oppo fans are backing him at this point. I'm one of the United fans that still back Ole. I think he has it in him to change us around. And there's nobody else I believe in more that we can get right now, very few managers will leave a club mid-season. Now if there's no improvement by the end of the season then the club needs to see who they can get to come in the summer. (Or if someone more fitting becomes available before then and our results are still like they are now.)
 

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It’s baffling he gets so much credit for man management, maybe it’s what he’s best at but he is in no way elite. He seems to be more liked than respected and judging by all the leaks his man management doesn’t seem anything to be impressed by.
It’s the Jose effect - of course the next man is going to look better at man management. But like many of the “positives” of the last three years, it doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny.
 

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Morale among the players is as low as ever right now, don't think that a new manager and fresh approach might get them going again? Even an interim would give the players a boost for the upcoming games.

What is there to gain from keeping a manager that a number of players and members of the coaching staff have lost faith in?
I believe that the moral is low among the players now, it is for everyone who cares about the club. But I don't believe it's all down to the manager. I don't believe all the reports that claim the players have lost faith in him. Those who are not playing are unhappy, of course, they should be, they can't be at the club if they don't back themselves to do better than those on the field. But that doesn't mean I think the majority of players or coaching staff have lost faith in him.
 

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Feel free to tear me a new one for this post, but I just wanted to state that I am one of those who have voted to still give him time. So it's not "just oppo fans".
Sunday was a horrible day. Something has got to give, and the players need to take a fair bit of responsibility as well.

But there's nobody available right now that I personally think could do a better job in the long term, so I see no reason to change the manager just for change's sake.
So you actually think this is the best we can do with the options available?
 

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If its true they're working on a new manager and 3 games is just to give them time its possible they'll find someone before those 3 games are player, or even 2. Although it might happen we'll see another disaster on Saturday so it will fasten their decision anyway.
That’s what I think is going on, just buying some time
 

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Ole need SAF to cover his problem (no disrespect to SAF) shows how coward ole is. He can’t even stand by himself :houllier:
 

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So you actually think this is the best we can do with the options available?
No, something has clearly gone wrong. The club needs to figure out where and fix it. But I don't believe that changing the manager is the only solution, not when I don't think any of the available options mid-season are any better. I believe Ole has it in him to make the necessary changes and turn this around. He is on borrowed time, and if other options were available right now the club would probably make a change. But as it stands I don't think they will (or should) unless we continue on a downward trend.

Sunday sucked big time, but I was behind the manager before the game, and one result doesn't make me change my opinion.

Y'all are free to disagree with me of course, like I said I just wanted to put it on the record that I'm a United fan that voted to still give him time.
 

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There are countless managers who are better than Solskjaer he's not adequate enough tactically. Man management wise he probably can be considered elite, his personality helps this.
Jesus.

It’s arguably his worst trait, if we are going on the evidence in front of our eyes and what has transpired over the last few days with numerous leaks:
  • first XI littered with players who enjoy undroppable status, no matter how many garbage performances they produce
  • as a result, the bench (and beyond) is populated by players who rarely, if ever, get a proper chance to contribute to the team or showcase their talent
  • we have lost many great opportunities to win silverware solely down to Solskjaer’s stubborn reluctance to trust his bench
  • linked to the above points, previous loyal lieutenants such as Lindelof and Cavani have been cast aside for new signings, and have subsequently failed to be given fair chances to get their starting berths back, barring changes enforced by injury
  • frequently picking players out of position, just to keep certain individuals in the team
  • denying fringe players opportunities to move on when interested clubs enquired for them, so we can only assume Solskjaer promised them certain game-time to keep them here, a promise he hasn’t kept
As a result of the above, we find ourselves in a position where the guaranteed starters are upset they’re being fingered for poor performances so will throw Solskjaer under the bus to save their own skin, and the bench/fringe players desperate to see the back of him aren’t going to over-exert themselves to keep him in the job at this late stage now either. You are unlikely to see such a disconnect between two elements of a squad in any elite club in the world (starters and fringe players) and for that, Solskjaer must take responsibility. It’s what will ultimately cost him his job, despite being woefully short in many other areas of football management: tactical acumen, leadership skills, motivational capabilities, ruthlessness, and possessing the utmost respect of his players, staff and fanbase. Solskjaer falls short in all of the above, but it’s his man-management failures which will cause the axe to fall.
 

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The imagined vision of Ferguson sitting everyone down selling them the idea of staying with OGS, as OGS stands off to the side is pretty embarrassing. It’s like a public castration of OGS, watching an almost 80 year old man who all those guys probably would have marched off the edge of the cliff for, say “You need to respect this guy to the side here”. It’s like your dad coming into school and telling some kids who take the piss out of you, to leave you alone.

And I guarantee half those players are thinking it’s pathetic if that something close to that went down.
 
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