Multiple good sources said this was preplanned.Ole need SAF to cover his problem (no disrespect to SAF) shows how coward ole is. He can’t even stand by himself
Ole Sack Watch
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You make a couple of fair points here; the players should take a portion of the blame onto themselves as their performance levels have been nowhere near good enough all season, plus the media are having a great time stirring the pot and their bullshit tweets are spreading like wildfire.
If the players are in full support of Ole, why has not one of them spoken in support of him since this all began? They can't publically condemn the manager for obvious reasons, but they're free to show support whenever they wish it. That they have chosen to keep quiet is rather telling in itself.
How, just how, is getting a caretaker manager and coaching team in not a better option of keeping Ole and Co? Our form, not just this season but including the last third of the previous season too, is horrendous. They aren’t turning this around as it’s gone too long.
Put the poor bloke out of his misery. Put us all out of our misery. There are way, way better managers out there who could come in.
Put the poor bloke out of his misery. Put us all out of our misery. There are way, way better managers out there who could come in.
Well if last Sunday doesn't change your mind nothing will. I envy your positivism, unfortunately I can't share it.
For me it's clear he's out of his level and the sooner he goes the better. I don't know how anyone thinks he may actually turn it around after 3 years of what we've seen.
But we have an inept board so I guess we'll see.
Give him time for what, you saw him walking off right? That's not a manager thinking about the next game thats a manager that knows he is fecked and you can't help but feel sorry for him.
Sunday wasn't just horrible either it was a humiliating capitulation to historic rivals on our own turf never seen anything like it, they weren't even out of 2nd gear with players missing and still looked worlds apart in terms of organisation, cohesion and desire with their fans bantering him on the sidelines and our own fans leaving in disgust. If the club lets that slide then the standards have dropped to such catastrophic levels that they might as well not even bother. And this is before you consider that for many people he should have already been sacked over a year ago with Bruno especially absolutely carrying him in the meantime.
Agree with you about the available managers though, Conte and Zidane will just be another short term high profile fix and will require more chopping and changing especially for Conte. Its just another symptom of the indecisiveness though imo, if it had happened back then like it probably should have we would have Pochettino, Nagelsmann or Tuchel a year in to their reign but as it is there is maybe Ten Haag as a gamble and he wouldn't leave Ajax a 3rd of the way through the season would he.
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It comes down to this for me, is there a possibility of Ole turning this around?
Sorry for me that chance is infinitesimal.
As such get rid of him and move on. All we are going to have for weeks is Ole drama... will he stay or will he go?
That type of drama does not help a team reach new heights. Move on and be done. I fail to see what a waiting period will do.
Sorry for me that chance is infinitesimal.
As such get rid of him and move on. All we are going to have for weeks is Ole drama... will he stay or will he go?
That type of drama does not help a team reach new heights. Move on and be done. I fail to see what a waiting period will do.
What a word!
Really goes to show the club is so indecisive. Back him or don't back him, hearing that he has one last game to prove he is worth it is an insult to him, the club and the fans. Regardless of our feelings to Ole, the board are so inept at everything.
The only thing I'd say to this is that Molde have a better manager now. 2.03 ppg vs Oles 1.84
The club is more a lifestyle brand than an actual football club nowadays. I don't think anyone who matters at the club is interested in winning trophies.
10-20 years of this and the Glazers will sell, once the shine and reflected glory of past achievements has long been forgotten.
I would assume that they are told by the club to not make unprompted public statements unless absolutely needed. This because any statement can be taken out of context. Pogba did today because some in the media kept naming him specifically as someone who was not happy. Every other report is usually the ambigious "players are not happy". (And it's only natural to have some doubts. But it's not the players job every day to talk to the media.)
So until they are in a press setting (pre-match presser or club agreed interview) players don't make any statements, even positive ones. This was the same with the Rashford incident a bit back where the media made it seem like Ole thought Rashford had to focus on football over his other activites. Then came the pre-match press-conference where Rashford set the record straight together with Ole.
I am surprised by the high percentage of people voting Ole out. I thought you need to give manager more time in order to stabilize the club? Ole already has 9-10 pieces of the puzzle and all he needs in general is a midfield marshal and his team is ready to win silverwares.
These last few days have been truly embarrassing from the old boys lot..
this is beyond stupidWatch any of our football matches this season and it'll give you a decent idea.
Is this a copy & paste from last season when it was 'all he needs is a RW and CB and we'll compete'?
Oh and Liverpool just fecking spanked us 5-0 in 60 minutes with a midfield of Henderson - Milner - Keita.
I really don't get what one game will prove that the last 3 years haven't?
Football has got progressively worse, results the same.
We are going into games now hoping not to get battered, that is against every team now.
The performance against Liverpool is one that you dont need to follow football or understand football to realise that it was not good, you don't play that football in a sunday league game.
Someone needs to grow a pair and make a decision to sack him, at the moment we are in limbo, living on game by game.
Fans have supported the club, whom they keep disrespecting.
Football has got progressively worse, results the same.
We are going into games now hoping not to get battered, that is against every team now.
The performance against Liverpool is one that you dont need to follow football or understand football to realise that it was not good, you don't play that football in a sunday league game.
Someone needs to grow a pair and make a decision to sack him, at the moment we are in limbo, living on game by game.
Fans have supported the club, whom they keep disrespecting.
The thinking of practically everybody right now...united supporters, pundits, opposition supporters alike. The only explanation that is in any way logical is that this is just a ploy to buy time until the international break to appoint a new manager. We all know that Ole isn't the man for the job now, regardless of what happens over the next three games.
Ignore his post. It's a WUM.
With all the negativity surrounding the club right now and Ole's job on the line, I feel the players would find a way to make it public that they're in full support of his management. That they have made no such effort is telling for me. Several reports suggest the players have lost faith in the manager, but nothing in the opposite direction. Pogba's tweet was in defence of himself, not Ole.I would assume that they are told by the club to not make unprompted public statements unless absolutely needed. This because any statement can be taken out of context. Pogba did today because some in the media kept naming him specifically as someone who was not happy. Every other report is usually the ambigious "players are not happy". (And it's only natural to have some doubts. But it's not the players job every day to talk to the media.)
So until they are in a press setting (pre-match presser or club agreed interview) players don't make any statements, even positive ones. This was the same with the Rashford incident a bit back where the media made it seem like Ole thought Rashford had to focus on football over his other activites. Then came the pre-match press-conference where Rashford set the record straight together with Ole.
Personally, I'm not sure we even need the players to tell us they no longer trust Ole's vision. Their performances this season, which have regressed from bad to diabolical to the single worst derby showing in the history of our club, is evidence enough that they want a change. I felt something was up with the players as far back as the West Ham game, and it's worsened ever since.
You could point to the second-half performance against Atalanta as evidence the players support the manager, but that could easily have been personal pride on their part, not wanting to lose to a vastly inferior side. These players have previous for suddenly deciding to turn it on, see the Newcastle game towards the end of Jose's reign.
Neville clearly a WUM.
These last few days have been truly embarrassing from the old boys lot..
Neville needs to stay off the internet until this blows over. Doing crazy damage to his already mixed rep.
I agree. We could be six more points adrift and looking at Thursday night football in three games time. Losing David Gill at the same time as SAF was a big blow. This board are just brown noses to the Glazers, are indecisive and not intouch. Ole should have gone after the Europa League fiasco. OK we got second but the Scousers had injuries and Chelsea had Lampard Spurs had Jose. I hope I am wrong but can’t see this group doing a 180 and battering Spurs let alone City.
If Gary Neville was a caf poster he would have been banned
The problem is I worry that the board doesn't know this. Its actually weird how these people in very high positions fail to see this?
I mean we all know they are businessmen and watching the club being kicked about by every fan, pundit must not be good for business? Surely, even some sponsors will be saying okay, what is going on.
The problem is it looks like its going to take yet another showing of discontent from fans to see some kind of change.
Honestly i think they're just giving him enough rope to hang himself.
Results will be mixed. Beat Tottenham, tie Atalanta and lose to City. Then they can feel nice and comfy sacking him.
If you’re going to try wumming then at least be original
Pity we didn't go through in the league Cup, we would be playinh City tonight and ole be getting sacked in the morning.
How could no one do a better job?. He’s under qualified and hasn’t demonstrated he excells at anything. It’s a nice idea but what are people actually expecting him to get better at?. Is he going to turn into an elite manager overnight at some point despite his career starting 10 years ago?.
A long term manager that’s a dud will do way more damage than someone like Conte.
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Lets be honest, if he was sacked now, no United fan would complain, not even the most Ole in fan.
Although, I do find the media and pundits very hypocritical because if this was a British manager, they would be saying not enough time, but alot atm are saying he should have been gone sooner.
They won't sack him if we get those results. I'm convinced to them that would mean the crisis is over.
We're making a huge mistake if Ogden is correct and ten Hag isn't on the shortlist.
Look at his reasoning (and I want Conte) for it. He actually says that the board are comparing Ten Hag to Moyes. It's embarrassing if that's their reasoning.
Spurs are shit, but I'm expecting them to beat us and Ole to then still be manager. That's how low my expectations are of the people running the club just now. Any club of comparable stature would have made the change already, but we don't act like the rest.
In what fecking way exactly is Ten Hag anything like Moyes? Our board is full of absolute clowns, I’m beginning to think we’ll never win the league or CL ever again while the Glazers own us. Every decision they seem to make is the wrong one and they never learn from their mistakes.
So according to Twitter, SAF was only visiting Carrington to get a new club suit fitted.
not surprised the board has shown to be completely useless
It's a way of thinking that an amateur in their field of work comes out with isn't it, which doesn't surprise me with Woodward.
I'm not sure, I'm just going off the video.Why would he know?
Don't tell me...the mythical "Briefing" from the club
Maybe they think he will not perform as well at a massive club like Moyes. I would be willing to take the risk, but with all their past mistakes they likely won't. Ten Hag would also want to change the club from top to bottom, academy system, scouting, training facilities, to make us more like Ajax (not a bad thing) but on a larger scale. More money to be spent folks.
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