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[Robbie Boy]

He was great yesterday.

 

[diarm]

And yet there were no shortage of idiots on the matchday thread at halftime, calling him shite and whinging for him to be replaced.

I swear there is a decent percentage of posters in those threads that aren't even watching the games.

 

[edgecutter]

He has about one good game in 10 and several average at best performances. Don't let yesterday cloud what he has shown for a long time, he isn't consistent enough and has been found hiding in most games. He isn't good enough

 

[Based Adnan]

 

[Andycoleno9]

And yet there were no shortage of idiots on the matchday thread at halftime, calling him shite and whinging for him to be replaced.

I swear there is a decent percentage of posters in those threads that aren't even watching the games.

Bloody hell, i swear that opinion on this forum is based only on latest performance. Regarding team, manager, players, opposition...everything.
Mct is average football player who would struggle to enter in first 11 of Newcastle or Burnley.
Yesterday he was good. Yes, he was. His one good game in 10. And it was because we played with 7 defensive players and sit deep. He is one of biggest reasons why we lose midfield battle every game; because of his complete lack of skill to pass, control the ball or create.

Am i harsh towards him? Yes, i am. And i don't know why i shouldn't be.

 

[Bebestation]

I like him and always have and always will.

Just because others have not been better and stopped him from playing midfield is not his fault.

Also he hardly gets to play his box to box way where he gets to unleash his attacking aspect of his game.

When he sits and concentrates just on his defensive game by sitting too deep - he can simply look like he is hiding.

Good United player whether that's on the bench or the first 11.

 

[Litch]

Great game and def appeared to be motivated this game. I like him and Fred more but neither are good enough. It's funny cause when either have a great game, because their measure is normally 'average', it appears better than it actually is. That's what top players are doing most games and more.

 

[DevTheRed]

The lad was good yesterday, thought he had a very good game in a position that he is still learning.

However, I can’t help but think what the team could be like if we did have a world class number 6 in that position, it would really take the team to another level.

 

[OrcaFat]

He has about one good game in 10 and several average at best performances. Don't let yesterday cloud what he has shown for a long time, he isn't consistent enough and has been found hiding in most games. He isn't good enough

He isn’t good enough. But he is still improving and his top level is high; he could be good enough one day. I wish he’d hurry up about it.

 

[jem]

Fantastic, especially as the game went on. It's so ridiculously obvious that the only way we'll see anything good from McTominay is when he's given some licence to rampage forward. Useless when sitting deep.

 

[Oranges038]

About time he had a good game. But, it was one game against a shit Spurs team who also had a lot more possesion.

Let's see how he goes over the next 10 to 20 games. Can he play like that every week? As Roy Keane said, it's about doing it every game not just when you fancy it.

 

[Bebestation]

Fantastic, especially as the game went on. It's so ridiculously obvious that the only way we'll see anything good from McTominay is when he's given some licence to rampage forward. Useless when sitting deep.

Exactly. Not saying oh he is suddenly wonderful and world class after one performance but I've always liked his attacking game and I don't see enough of it because he is doing too much of a defensive job too deep. He feels trapped there.

It's why I said in the Declan Rice thread (I'm a fan of him) that the reason I want him is because in a double pivot he really allows you to do your thing; I can imagine Mctominay being his best version next to him, or Fred being the best Brazilian international version seen in his international games etc and the same with other midfielders.

I say that because again - I want to see the attacking box to box game version of Mctominay more; even if he doesn't start every game for us.

 

[Red_toad]

And yet there were no shortage of idiots on the matchday thread at halftime, calling him shite and whinging for him to be replaced.

I swear there is a decent percentage of posters in those threads that aren't even watching the games.

No some people just see what they want to see and just spew their agenda driven posts at will.

 

[jem]

Exactly. Not saying oh he is suddenly wonderful and world class after one performance but I've always liked his attacking game and I don't see enough of it because he is doing too much of a defensive job too deep. He feels trapped there.

It's why I said in the Declan Rice thread (I'm a fan of him) that the reason I want him is because in a double pivot he really allows you to do your thing; I can imagine Mctominay being his best version next to him, or Fred being the best Brazilian international version seen in his international games etc and the same with other midfielders.

I say that because again - I want to see the attacking box to box game version of Mctominay more; even if he doesn't start every game for us.

Yeah a player like Rice would solve so many problems for us. I wouldn't lose that much sleep over Pogba leaving if we had a legitimate defensive midfielder holding the fort and the likes of McTominay, Fred or, dare I say it, Donny Van de Beek competing for the spot next to said midfielder.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Fair play that’s class, I have been critical of him but that’s excellent.

 

[#07]

About time he had a good game. But, it was one game against a shit Spurs team who also had a lot more possesion.

Let's see how he goes over the next 10 to 20 games. Can he play like that every week? As Roy Keane said, it's about doing it every game not just when you fancy it.

The key with Scott, and it's the same with Fred, is that they do their best work when our team is compact and set up to counter.

Scott is never going to be good enough to get his foot on the ball and dominate play when our players are separated by distance. When we move as a block defensively, and he's always close to teammates, he looks a lot better.

Ultimately it's down to style of play. As long as Ole doesn't try and have him do things that are beyond him he'll look a player.

 

[Dominos]

Exactly. Not saying oh he is suddenly wonderful and world class after one performance but I've always liked his attacking game and I don't see enough of it because he is doing too much of a defensive job too deep. He feels trapped there.

It's why I said in the Declan Rice thread (I'm a fan of him) that the reason I want him is because in a double pivot he really allows you to do your thing; I can imagine Mctominay being his best version next to him, or Fred being the best Brazilian international version seen in his international games etc and the same with other midfielders.

I say that because again - I want to see the attacking box to box game version of Mctominay more; even if he doesn't start every game for us.

Hard to imagine a more technically limited midfield than Rice-Mctominay...

We need 2 new CM's to be honest - and they need to meet a minimum standard of running/tenacity, defensive awareness, game intelligence and technical ability. The issue we have right now is no matter what combination we put out in midfield, we'll be lacking in certain areas. Fred and Mctominay bring the running and tenacity without the technical ability, Matic can't run, Pogba's defensive work and running is poor.

Fred and Mctominay should be squad options.

 

[Bebestation]

Hard to imagine a more technically limited midfield than Rice-Mctominay...

We need 2 new CM's to be honest - and they need to meet a minimum standard of running/tenacity, defensive awareness, game intelligence and technical ability. The issue we have right now is no matter what combination we put out in midfield, we'll be lacking in certain areas. Fred and Mctominay bring the running and tenacity without the technical ability, Matic can't run, Pogba's defensive work and running is poor.

Fred and Mctominay should be squad options.

Yeah sure I'm not saying that should be our midfield, because I don't - it was more trying to show that I see an aspect of Mctominay's game that he doesn't get to play because he is playing deep when that is more someone like Rice's job.

He is a box to box midfielder that currently does not get to attack.

This is the same with players like Pogba or even Fred for Brazil who I hear plays no where near as deep when on internationals.

We don't have any real deep players (except Matic) and we have alot of players trying to play that role.

It would be good to get the good right deep player(s) for once so the centre midfielders and attacking midfielders we have can do really go do their thing. That's when I think you will see a real style emerge from alot of players.

I think we will see it a bit with 3 at the back because of the attacking freedom the 3 defenders are able to give them at times.

 

[diarm]

Bloody hell, i swear that opinion on this forum is based only on latest performance. Regarding team, manager, players, opposition...everything.
Mct is average football player who would struggle to enter in first 11 of Newcastle or Burnley.
Yesterday he was good. Yes, he was. His one good game in 10. And it was because we played with 7 defensive players and sit deep. He is one of biggest reasons why we lose midfield battle every game; because of his complete lack of skill to pass, control the ball or create.

Am i harsh towards him? Yes, i am. And i don't know why i shouldn't be.

What opinion would that be buttercup?

The opinion that people at half time were on the matchday thread saying he had played shite in the first half? Despite everything that had happened in front of their eyes suggesting otherwise?

Taking a second to read and comprehend the content of a post, or to think about the game of football you are watching and analyse the smallest piece of what you're saying, before pitching yourselves head first into posting a wall of utter shite, would make the football areas of this forum around 400x better to read.

Unfortunately, when everything you post is centered around a hate filled agenda, it's easy to convince yourselves that everyone else's posts are filled with the opposing agenda.

It's really tiresome.

 

[Tomuś]

Proper b2b midfield performance. Very good with the ball as well.

 

[Oranges038]

The key with Scott, and it's the same with Fred, is that they do their best work when our team is compact and set up to counter.

Scott is never going to be good enough to get his foot on the ball and dominate play when our players are separated by distance. When we move as a block defensively, and he's always close to teammates, he looks a lot better.

Ultimately it's down to style of play. As long as Ole doesn't try and have him do things that are beyond him he'll look a player.

Yeap and that is fine if your playing for the likes of Burnley, Everton or Southampton. Him and Fred are probably two of the most technically limited players I've ever seen play for the club.

Playing for Man Utd. You want to be at the top competing for the league and the CL. Then you absolutely have to have players with the ability to get their foot on the ball, control the game and play on the front foot. Especially with the attacking talent that is at the club right now. These two just cannot do it.

 

[The United]

The issue with our CM is that when get pressed, they just lose the ball or they are not able to pass well with none of them being specialist at winning the ball back right away except Matic whose legs are gone.

Tommy's performance was petty good last night but have to remember while watching the highlights that he had tons of space to move and pass. When he gets pressed, obviously the above issues occur.

Like the guy. He would (and should) be a good back up and starter for certain games for us.

 

[snk123]

Apart from a few moments where he couldn't take the ball with him in his stride, he was excellent. That fizzed ball to the wingback reminded me of Scholes. When he's good, he's world class which a lot of our fanbase would refuse to admit.

Needs to build up some consistency now that there has been a few weeks since he's come back.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

Nah he's shite, Josh Brownhill and Ashley Westwood played well in midfield for Burnley yesterday, who cares, all plodders

 

[#07]

Yeap and that is fine if your playing for the likes of Burnley, Everton or Southampton. Him and Fred are probably two of the most technically limited players I've ever seen play for the club.

Playing for Man Utd. You want to be at the top competing for the league and the CL. Then you absolutely have to have players with the ability to get their foot on the ball, control the game and play on the front foot. Especially with the attacking talent that is at the club right now. These two just cannot do it.

I don't disagree. I don't see McTominay as a long term starter. I see Fred as a waste of £47m pounds. People will say that's harsh on Fred but he's not been a big enough improvement on Ander Herrera to warrant the spend. When you are spending the best part of £50m it should not be to go sideways.

Fundamentally, we need big upgrades in midfield. Bayern has Kimmich and Goretzka. We've got McFred. The difference is obvious.

However, at present, the transfer window is shut. So we gotta get the best out of what we got. What Ole was doing before, spreading our lines, sending us out to chase aggressively, was setting us up for failure. If you are going to use McTominay, and we are, we best use him in a way that maximises his plusses and minimises his minuses.

 

[edgecutter]

He isn’t good enough. But he is still improving and his top level is high; he could be good enough one day. I wish he’d hurry up about it.

He's coming on 25 years of age, if he isn't doing it now he never will.

 

[OrcaFat]

He's coming on 25 years of age, if he isn't doing it now he never will.

That is absolute nonsense, in my opinion. It might be true that he will never be good enough but the idea that players don’t improve after age 24 is just guff.

 

[Raven]

It was a great game from him yesterday, his best performance in a very long time.

 

[Stacks]

Apart from a few moments where he couldn't take the ball with him in his stride, he was excellent. That fizzed ball to the wingback reminded me of Scholes. When he's good, he's world class which a lot of our fanbase would refuse to admit.

Needs to build up some consistency now that there has been a few weeks since he's come back.

ruining the term "world class" and rendering it useless. Any person who drops a great performance once every 10-15 is "world class when they are good?" I have heard it all now. That could be said about Pogba but not our Scotty.

 

[Dante]

He was as much of a #6 on Saturday as in any other game. He did a lot (if not most) of his good work from the DM position.

The difference was that he didn't need to babysit Fred as much as usual. In other games, McTominay's main job is to cover Fred when Fred charges into a tackle and gets bypassed. Against Tottenham, having a third centreback meant McTominay could concentrate on his own game.

Fred has his uses as one of the better pressers in the league. As such, he gets into my first choice United XI. But his limitations hurt McTominay more than anybody. I think the 3-5-2 will help both of them in the coming weeks.

 

[sp_107]

we shouldnt get blinded by his occasional one off performances...We should buy a proper CM

 

[GDaly95]

He's definitely going to be excellent against City.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

He has about one good game in 10 and several average at best performances. Don't let yesterday cloud what he has shown for a long time, he isn't consistent enough and has been found hiding in most games. He isn't good enough

This./

Emphasis on ‘about one good game in 10’. The same nonsense was spouted after he scored 2 against Leeds last season, his poor performances are forgotten quicker than most any player in the squad.

 

[Dante]

The next CM we buy will replace Fred. The one after that will replace McTominay.

 

[Raven]

He was as much of a #6 on Saturday as in any other game. He did a lot (if not most) of his good work from the DM position.

The difference was that he didn't need to babysit Fred as much as usual. In other games, McTominay's main job is to cover Fred when Fred charges into a tackle and gets bypassed. Against Tottenham, having a third centreback meant McTominay could concentrate on his own game.

Fred has his uses as one of the better pressers in the league. As such, he gets into my first choice United XI. But his limitations hurt McTominay more than anybody. I think the 3-5-2 will help both of them in the coming weeks.

You think McTominay is usually covering for Fred? I would have to disagree, I'd say Fred does the work of 2 men on any given day because of how poor Scott usually is.

 

[Based Adnan]

You think McTominay is usually covering for Fred? I would have to disagree, I'd say Fred does the work of 2 men on any given day because of how poor Scott usually is.

With how often Fred gets bypassed in midfield the ask of his partner will always be higher

 

[Jeppers7]

63 touches isn’t great

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Beast!

 

[Zoo]

Scott can barely look after himself most of the time let alone babysit someone else. He’s mediocre and easy replaceable. He speaks well though and is a nice lad am sure.