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Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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Not so good at this point, he has a hard time getting back into shape (it was the same last year at Barcelona, his really started in december or so) and he's injured at the moment. His goal against City clearly was the highlight of his season so far.
The debate is over now. Messi is looking like a bum in a farmers league whilst Ronaldo is dragging this horrible Man United side on his own.
It's looking more and more clear for me that Ronaldo is the greatest.
From 2016 and on Barcelona wasn't a better side than Real Madrid.
Messi has been holding an average Barca for a while, he made them compete for La Liga until the last 2-3 matches.
You can see the massive difference in this current Messi-less Barca.
I just know it would swing in Ronaldo’s favour now.
No city player since their inception is close to Ronaldo’s level even at his current age. He sets the benchmark and records wherever he goes. I’m almost certain he’d surpass 50 goals with a creative team like theres.
The Lewandowski point is debatable. He’s being playing in a far more functional team for the past 3 years. Ronaldo at Bayern in the Bundesliga would be a sight to behold.
Still think Messi in his prime was better than Ronaldo in his.
If Ronaldo keeps this up and Messi struggles at PSG I think Ronaldo would have had the better career though.
If Ronaldo keeps this up and Messi struggles at PSG I think Ronaldo would have had the better career though.
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That's a neverending argument. Bayern is so fonctional in part because of the way Lewandoski plays and interracts with his teamates. Ronaldo doesn't fit into the current Bayern philosophy at all.
It is debatable, at his peak absolutely but current Ronaldo is still very good but not that good in my opinion.
The quality of the team does not necessarily equal goalscoring. The top scorer in the league frequently doesn’t come from the champions. Look at Chelsea for example. City have a massive spread of goals. Would be the same with any player there.
Ronaldo is the GOAT for sure.
I don't get the "he would score for fun in "x" team cause team "x" is better than "y".
As functional as Bayern is, I do believe Lewandowski makes Bayern better too, as he can provide assists, a thing that Cristiano doesn't do right now.
Remember that in actual Football 1+1 isn't always equal to 2, that's how it works on PES, not in real Football.
In a good side he’d be scoring at a ridiculous rate. 9 goals in 11 games for this utter shite United side.
both Madrid’s are comfortably better than any bundesliga side bar Bayern.
Good in CL, absent in the league
You do, I don't, my impression is that few people do. Hence, let's agree to disagree.
What did you answer? Di Stefano is clearly rated very highly due to his Real Madrid exploits and not his single Copa win for Argentina.
I was specifically talking about the group stage of the Copa this year where 4 teams qualify from groups of 5
Are there not more players best known for their scoring exploits who cost world record fees than players best known for their dribbling?
You're clearly a leading member of the Messi brigade here.
I was just pointing out the fact that when it comes to judging Ronaldo, the Messi brigade members' opinions count for very little. Most of you think he only scores tap ins, but Messi can do no wrong and was probably MotM when Barca crashed out of the CL by big scores every time.
I have seen many of the WC games he was involved in, but a very big proportion of his club games were friendlies with questionable defending.
Fine, but your impression is wrong.
He came to Real Madrid when he was 27. Before that he was a champion with Argentina, a champion in Colombia and part of one of the greatest River Plate sides of all time. But of course if you think in a totally Eurocentric way like you do then nothing that happens outside of Europe actually matters.
And you still couldn’t answer my question. I answered yours.
What has that got to do with Ronaldo’s massive total of 3 goals in Euro 2016?
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Nope. Just because I think Messi is a better player, that doesn’t make me part of any brigade. You have ‘CR fan’ in your bio, that makes you defensive when it come to differing opinions. Everything’s a ‘brigade’ against you.
This is funny. If a team loses by a big score that’s the fault of one attacking player is it? If so, wish I knew what Ronaldo was doing when United got spanked 5-0 the other day. Or when Madrid got beaten 5-0 at the Nou Camp. Or 6-2 at the Bernabeu…..
I really don’t think you have, otherwise you wouldn’t make the statements you are making. And what about the 800 competitive games he played in the strongest footballing nation in the world at that time? Please research his career properly so you don’t make inaccurate statements
He's hammering nails in the coffin of the debate really, isn't he?
The debate should really be over at their age but Ronaldo is having an all time great career from 30 years onwards alone.it’s supernatural at this stage
Probably the greatest post 34/35 year old in history. Is that one even debatable?
Messi commit career suicide by not leaving Barca around 2016-2017 and even more so going to PSG don’t think it’s going to look good for him he needed Pep more then anyone else the few managers that got him to touch the sky, Ronaldo being surrounded around many WC managers has helped him a lot.
I’m trying to do quick math in my head it’s 335 goals in 370 odd games since turning 30!
I’d take Messi 2019 to present as a whole over Ronaldo so no
inCRedible.
Good for you, as a Barca/PSG (probably) supporter.
To move to the PL/CL at 36, and rip it up, definitely beats moving to an oil club in a nothing league and doing the bare minimum.
ah yes, even though he hasn’t won a meaningful trophy since 2018. He’s good at 36, but having united finish worse than they did last year in the PL isn’t helping
Yes, but he has to win something...i remember Ronaldo fans saying that Balloon D'or winner has to win a big trophy to claim the award, in fordrr to criticize a couple of individual awards won by Messi.
So i will wait for Ronaldo to win PL or CL with United, otherwise his goals don't count.
Who was the best when both are compared at their peak?
Longevity is important but shouldn’t become the defining factor when regarding ‘the greatest of all time’ at anything really.
Keith Richards has had more longevity than Jimi Hendrix, but who was the best when both were at their peak?
Longevity is important but shouldn’t become the defining factor when regarding ‘the greatest of all time’ at anything really.
Keith Richards has had more longevity than Jimi Hendrix, but who was the best when both were at their peak?
as a guitarist, Hendrix, as a songwriter Keith Richards
Longevity wise, Ronaldo is ahead by far and will have a better end to his career than Messi in terms of stats. At their peak, it's Messi but that was such a long time ago now
This is not up to debate. Ronaldo, and it's not even close. Garduiola Barca team was called the best in the history, yet they couldn't even win 2 CL in a row, and their both CL was due to heavy referee help, especially that against Chelsea, which was the biggest robbery in the football to date.
But still with this blatant cheating, Messi has 3 CL where he was the figure, he actually have 4, but he was a reserve and i don't see a reason to count it.
Ronaldo have 5 CL, 4 in RM in 5 years time, and they won CL 3 straight time, and no one was even close to do it twice, forget about doing it three times. Especially in RM he was the main reason for this CL, and even with us.
The numbers speaks for itself: 8, 17, 16, 12, 15 is the goals he scored.
Should we even say that Real name was, Round of 16, before Ronaldo moved to them and transformed them ? And they are also doing a great job after he leave as well.
And European Championship > Copa, as Copa is a joke of tournament.
Since 2004, there was obviously 5 European Championship, while there is 7 Copa. Just look at this numbers, 2015 Copa, 2016 Copa, 2019 Copa, 2021 Copa, what is this joke ? Not to mention the quality of the teams is like 10x lower, and that you have like 1-2 hard matches before the Final. There is no such things as qualifications, and from a groups of 5, 4 team is moving forward, like really ? And on top of that, you have exactly 3 more matches to win.
Prime for prime, the only thing Messi had over Ronaldo was his dribble, and that's it. Ronaldo was obviously a better header player, more stronger physically, faster on both accelerating and top speed, better with the weak foot(if we call them equal with the strong one), best positioning in probably the whole history, a true leader and way more clutch, and he was also an absolutely monster 1 on 1, as people looking him currently loves to forget that. But they both were great in beating players 1on1.
But still with this blatant cheating, Messi has 3 CL where he was the figure, he actually have 4, but he was a reserve and i don't see a reason to count it.
Ronaldo have 5 CL, 4 in RM in 5 years time, and they won CL 3 straight time, and no one was even close to do it twice, forget about doing it three times. Especially in RM he was the main reason for this CL, and even with us.
The numbers speaks for itself: 8, 17, 16, 12, 15 is the goals he scored.
Should we even say that Real name was, Round of 16, before Ronaldo moved to them and transformed them ? And they are also doing a great job after he leave as well.
And European Championship > Copa, as Copa is a joke of tournament.
Since 2004, there was obviously 5 European Championship, while there is 7 Copa. Just look at this numbers, 2015 Copa, 2016 Copa, 2019 Copa, 2021 Copa, what is this joke ? Not to mention the quality of the teams is like 10x lower, and that you have like 1-2 hard matches before the Final. There is no such things as qualifications, and from a groups of 5, 4 team is moving forward, like really ? And on top of that, you have exactly 3 more matches to win.
Prime for prime, the only thing Messi had over Ronaldo was his dribble, and that's it. Ronaldo was obviously a better header player, more stronger physically, faster on both accelerating and top speed, better with the weak foot(if we call them equal with the strong one), best positioning in probably the whole history, a true leader and way more clutch, and he was also an absolutely monster 1 on 1, as people looking him currently loves to forget that. But they both were great in beating players 1on1.
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Well it obviously is up for debate, because there are 637 pages debating it...
Also Messi was a much better passer at his peak, dribbling, close control, free kicks and I'd also say he was better than Ronaldo at Ronaldo's best attribute - goalscoring. 91 goals in one year, 73 goals in one season. 50 goals in one league season.
Pretty much, only one of the two players is in contention for Ballon d'Or this season. And Messi won the Ballon d'Or in 2019.
Serie A not a major league? Not sure as someone who supports a La Liga team you can say that given the state of your league last few years.
Ronaldo is certainly off to a great start.
and bayern is way better than both Madrid sides.
Dude, Serie A has been trashed here in CAF, let's not pretend that people rated Serie A high just because Cristiano played there, people were making fun how easy pease it looked for Juventus to win 8 leagues in a row due to no serious competition.
Serie A was clearly behind EPL and La Liga in 2010 decade, it's a no brainer, they were even surpassed by BL in coefficient for a couple of years, and were in 4th place for a while.
It's the same as overrating Ligue 1 just because Messi plays there now
What Ronaldo is doing at United this season is unparalleled for me. He'll win United trophies this season even if a clued in manager was appointed today
Great goals by Ronaldo. How is Atalanta doing in the Calcio?
European Championship is better than Copa, however Messi won Copa in Maracana against Brazil, that's better than beating France at Saint Denis.Btw Cristiano only played 15 min of that final, and wasn't chosen best player of the tournament, it was Griezmann.
Portugal doesn't even have any rivalry with France, the accomplishment comes from Portugal barely ever beating France in official matches...but still Maracana > Saint Denis, as Brazil is historically a bigger football nation than France.
And if we count young passages, then Cristiano lost a final against feking Greece at home.
And the debate isn't over yet, Messi have 6 balloon D'or, probably gonna win one more this year to make it 7
I don't see Cristiano winning another Ballon D'or unless he wins EPL or CL with United, which seems almost impossible this season, or WC with Portugal, which seems even more impossible due to Portugal traditional struggle in that competition.
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