Oh that makes sense, I was kind of getting the vibe from his posts he doesn't actually want Ole gone so he's finding any excuse to discredit managers who actually have a chance of being hired here.
There was nothing wrong with Ole's first couple of seasons, there was progress.Are you high? Every appointment bar Ole (who you've loved) has been literally the opposite
• Moyes had 750 ish games under his belt.
• LVG had 800 ish games.
• Mourinho had 765 ish.
Mancini is quite a ridiculous pick too, a man whose last success at club level was before SAF retired.
Please, have a word with yourself, I've been saying Ole should have gone after the league cup game, nothing has changed. If we're going to appoint a new manager then get it right instead of fecking it up again.Mancini isn't available before next November. Conte is gone, Zidane isn't interested and Bielsa is a no-go.
Ah so now the amount of games means nothing? In fact it's possibly a hindrance?
Maybe so, but at least you would hope he's learned something from managing at that level now. You don't get many opportunities at the top and people are usually keen to not repeat the same mistakes twice.
Progress, what progress?! We actually won trophies under LVG and Mourinho. Within months of being given the job permanently Ole took us on our worst run for 60 years. Any good spell has been matched with an awful spell. I'm sorry, but I don't see any progress at all on the field.
Believe me it was hard to forget - you were like a man possessed, attempting to rebut every single negative comment - must have run into the hundreds some days.
Which is why we should wait until the end of the season before anything. Bring a caretaker in now if necessary but lets see who comes available in the summer.
If you've been saying it then why are the only people you want to replace him with impossible to get? Must not he thinking very hard.
I don't think Mancini is necessarily a bad shout, he's clearly a very good manager that's done a remarkable job with Italy, but he's not going anywhere before the next world cup, so its an unrealistic choice irrespective about what you think of him.
So with Ole - who stagnated at Molde and failed at Cardiff - you thought than a good run of 10 games (after that we turned to crap) was enough to earn him a shot, but with Ten Hag continuous success at Utrecht and Ajax, including CL semi - not enough to give a shot?
So Poch it is then considering he's the only one attainable in your list.
Sure, if you say so. My point is his experience is limited and it's only at Dutch level, unless we're counting Bayern reserves also. If he had done well at PL level with the same amount of games it's a different story.
Why would we make the same mistake twice? Hey we were wrong once, let's just keep doing it yeah? Brilliant
Yes, that's what we are doing. I was talking about your point of ETH not being a right fit for us.
So you'd want to bring him in on the hope he's "learned" to be a better manager? Isn't that what we're hopelessly doing with Ole at the moment?
Is having no PL experience better or worse than relegating a PL team? Asking for a Norwegian friend...
What is nonsense is you bucketing Ten Hag as the same type of gamble as Ole.
Trophies aren't a sign of progress, Wigan won an FA cup and got relegated. I'm not going to debate where the club was when Ole took over and where we're at now, that's a different discussion.
He is having an absolute mare in this thread, he absolutely wont stop and will just continue with other lame excuses.
Using your criteria we would have never hired Fergie.
We are in seventh after our worst start in history now.
Rightfully so! No PL experience!!!
Nor would have Arsenal signed Wenger, Liverpool Klopp, Chelsea Tuchel, the list goes on.
I believe that club and international management are very different.
Keep up mate! It's not so much that winning a trophy is always a sign of progress, but when you go from winning 3 trophies in a couple of years to then winning nothing for the next 3 years it's hard to paint that as 'progress' - which is what you did.
That's some flawless planning there.
A good club will give him a chance next and that door is probably then closed. He's done well enough in Europe to consider the possibility that he can do well with limited resources, but here he'll be spoilt for talent. Look at his team on paper and it'd probably get relegated from the PL under another manager. He genuinely has them looking a strong team in Europe and playing the likes of Dortmund off the park.
Nothing to do with planning. You don't wait to break up with a toxic girlfriend until you've found a new one , the same way you don't keep an incompetent employee on just because you haven't found a replacement.
Every hire is always a risk, doesn't mean you bury your head in the sand and let this disaster continue just because something isn't guaranteed. It's how all other top clubs operate but for some reasons fans here have an issue with it
You'd just hope we'd have had enough time to scope out competent replacements.
United fans are so afraid to get the manager wrong. What is the worst that can happen if Ten Hag fails here?
No I was reading it quite literally after having come in from a seven hour furniture shopping marathon. He just sounded overly blase about us hiring another dud.
Ah my bad, sounds awful
It's how pretty much every big club operates until they get a manager that works. I think his point was more that, even if the next manager proves to not be the right one in time, it is better than sticking with the guy that has already proven that.
Not if your incompetent staff are doing damage to the company while still under employment, unsettling other staff and putting you in a weaker position for the following financial year. Sometimes its better to hire temp staff or contractors on an interim basis while you source their permanent replacements.
