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Couldn't agree more.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Ah yeah, just seen updated list
But from a business point of view for potential buyers, it makes a lot of sense.
When companies buy out others, the first thing that happens prior to a sale is to reduce costs to become more attractive.
WWE over the last 12 to 18 months has reduced a lot of costs & gained a lot of income.
So right now, it's a very attractive business model.
Limited contracted employees in offices, production & now talent.
A sale will eventually happen I would guess, because it becomes financially attractive, so long as they can keep good TV deals at renewal.
Imagine United selling all their players so they could sell the club, or UFC releasing their better fighters for a sale. When you sell entertainment/sports its plenty to do with the stars and talent that is there and not just the name. Especially when you look at the details and see how many of WWE's top stars are getting older and there not being many younger ones pushed towards the top.
Its not like laying off a janitor before selling your coffee shop, you are releasing your future stars/talent to go sign for rival companies and then not be available if the new owners liked them and wanted them for like 3-5 years.
Wouldnt it just make more sense to buy the company, then release the guys you dont want and keep the ones you see something in yourself?
Lets say a company likes Keith Lee. They buy WWE at the start of 2022. But by now he's signed a 3 year deal at AEW. Even if they wanted him its 2025 before they can even talk to him and see if he wanted to come over from the rivals and he might not. Instead they could have just had him under contract when they bought the company.
No company is buying WWE because they have Keith Lee under contract.
No major players got released, and apparently half of them haven’t been vaccinated. If WWE want to start touring again and they haven’t been vaccinated, not sure what they are expecting.
Spot on, although I don’t think the McMahons will ever sell.
Nia Jax being released makes sense as she is reckless to put it nicely.
If I had the money to buy WWE I would be more interested in buying them if they had Black, Cole, Wyatt, Andrade, Kross and Lee on the books.
If I had the money to buy WWE I would be more interested in buying them if they had Black, Cole, Wyatt, Andrade, Kross and Lee on the books.
Lee doesn't surprise me. He wasn't medically cleared to perform for a long time this year and rumours were he has an underlying heart condition.
SRS has said at least 5 of them were unvaccinated and that the vaccination status was one of the things looked at before release. Not all of them were unvaccinated and we dont have confirmed names as far as I'm aware.
Does this change the view on some of the people released?
Other than maybe Keith Lee with his health scare in recent times, and anyone who has a genuine health reason why they cant get a vaccination, I dont have a lot of sympathy for them myself
Does this change the view on some of the people released?
Other than maybe Keith Lee with his health scare in recent times, and anyone who has a genuine health reason why they cant get a vaccination, I dont have a lot of sympathy for them myself
How in the name of feck do you mess up on Keith Lee.
He's the ony name from the releases AEW should get after.
On the other names gone, happy for Gran Metalik, he's too good to be wasted in WWE.
EDIT - And B-FAB?! Someone who has literally just debuted on Smackdown and has been super over in HIt-Row!?
He's the ony name from the releases AEW should get after.
On the other names gone, happy for Gran Metalik, he's too good to be wasted in WWE.
EDIT - And B-FAB?! Someone who has literally just debuted on Smackdown and has been super over in HIt-Row!?
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The comparison only works if we're comparing United to WWE with regards to United always getting top4 whether they have Cavani, Bruno, martial or if they sell them, and fill out the squad with u21s who produce the same results and fraction of the cost / wages
As @Bwuk mentioned no major players got released. Although that's self fulfilling as they aren't major players due to WWE handling
Is 2 years now considered fast tracked?
Would we sell our players developed to secure our future like Greenwood and Rashford? Thats what getting rid of your former NXT champions is. Its the developmental brand, they've been given the biggest development. Same thing with Adam Cole but of course he'd be more like a player out of contract.
NXT got its tv deal on the match quality of takeovers and the roster. They dont get "top 4" without them
Raw and Smackdown will be fine but WWE popularity will continue to wane and all the aging stars will just get older and less reliable, with not enough new stars being brought through to eventually take over. What happens in 5 years, are they still wheeling out Goldberg at 59 for a main event spot and Brock at 49? This is what happened with WCW, they relied on the guys who Vince had said were too old and they became popular (NWO) but they never then pushed the younger guys, so they all left for WWF and were part of the success of the attitude era. You cant just have the old guys + Big E and Drew
WWE is a business first & foremost & is run that way.
It's not a sports team. It's an attraction.
Who is there currently, is irrelevant, but the number of employees under contract is.
WWE has proven through creative, they can only focus on 3 or 4 storylines at most thesedays at one time.
Everything else is just random filler.
WWE right now is probably looking very attractive to serious buyers (like Disney perhaps).
Vince is nearly 80. He is a billionaire. Eventually his ego has to retire.
He ripped HHHs hard work to nothing, that says a lot about the future of the company ownership.
It's not a sports team. It's an attraction.
Who is there currently, is irrelevant, but the number of employees under contract is.
WWE has proven through creative, they can only focus on 3 or 4 storylines at most thesedays at one time.
Everything else is just random filler.
WWE right now is probably looking very attractive to serious buyers (like Disney perhaps).
Vince is nearly 80. He is a billionaire. Eventually his ego has to retire.
He ripped HHHs hard work to nothing, that says a lot about the future of the company ownership.
No you probably can't yet WWE has been experiencing the same criticisms for years now regarding you can't keep wheeling out older guys
Yet they've done it and got bigger deals and contracts that will see them through the next five to ten years at least even if the product got worse and worse (which seems to be the case)
Go back five or so years and you will see the exact same conversation
The initial comparison you made with United was incorrect (maybe in your wording)
The future stars you mentioned that have been released are majority over 30
I mean Keith Lee is older than Roman Reigns
Somebody said it but Lee, Kross and majority realised were tv fillers in wwes eyes. They can do the same with any 20+ year old for a fraction of the price and let's be honest, WWE has got a viewer market fixed (even if there are 50+ right now)
From a business perspective all the people WWE have let go would have no influence on potential buyers at all. Unless it's somebody like Tony khan, a long time wrestling fan, Buyers would look at things like contracts and see that they spend x amount now compared to last year and year ago. And that revenue has not decreased by letting them go.
The fact that WWE had one of the best quarter earnings would be attractive to possible buyers
Anyway you will either agree or disagree. But what WWE are doing now is about maximising profit / revenue and as a result (whether directly or indirectly) they will look majorly attractive to potential buyers
Also will be funny if aew hire Keith Lee, and they have a segment with him and Adam Cole with Keith asking if Cole wants to manage him
In his case yes, he was out injured for a while. Came back and won the title in I think may, was appearing on raw in June/July with the title still.
Nia is a well known anti-vaxxer so she's definitely one.
Being older than Roman isnt the only number that matters. Someone being a newer face and not looking significantly older is important too. You keep it fresh with new faces
Pretty sure Nia, Kross and scarlett are anti vaxxers. Was hearing B-fab was too. Beyond that cutting Keith Lee again highlights how much a shit show the place is. The rest bar maybe Ember who is tge kind of person you put shit wrestlers in the ring to look better you could kinda see it. Some wasted talented like gran metalik, but WWE don't exactly lose much.
Does really feel like the HHH era is done.
Does really feel like the HHH era is done.
Isn’t Sasha Banks an anti-vaxxer?. It’s a bit insincere to pretend they‘re on the right side of morality by uskng it as a P.R spin when they will obviously turn a blind eye when their bigger names take similar stances.
She'd end up up breaking the nurses arm if they tried injecting her.
Sasha is hot and makes them money and is in Star Wars.
You ain't cutting her no matter what !
I hope AEW stays away from him. He's shite. They have plenty of people for the top of the card without introducing him. Also, the guy has never had a good one-on-one match.
People calling The Fiend/Wyatt a genius when all it boiled down to was Wyatt wanting to do Slipknot cosplay and not selling for anyone.
He's not shite. But he's certainly no genius and very average in the ring.
I'm interested to see what he can do in a place like AEW where there's far more creative control for the talent. I don't think Tony Khan would let him do anything supernatural which is for the best.
Agreed. I've always thought he was over rated as f*ck. He was cool when he first came in, but after the initial loss to Cena he's been very meh. Fat guy in a joker costume.
No. She was at the Saudi show. She wouldn't of been able to go if she wasn't vaccinated.
This is very harsh, considering he's had multiple characters that have all been really popular.
I get in the ring he's pretty average, and his weight doesn't help (he got in decent shape at the start of his run as The Fiend, but clearly wasn't maintaining it once he had to do some wrestling again), but I'm pretty sure I read that he was the top merchandise mover for WWE, so he's obviously doing something right.
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Too long to post here, but the link below, worth reading.
WWE have cut 70 odd wrestlers this year alone.
https://www.pwinsider.com/article/1...e-needs-to-finally-ask-vince-mcmahon.html?p=1
WWE have cut 70 odd wrestlers this year alone.
https://www.pwinsider.com/article/1...e-needs-to-finally-ask-vince-mcmahon.html?p=1
Why would anyone below the top main event guys sign a long term deal with the WWE? Unless there's a huge signing on fee or something, there's zero job security that comes with the contract, and you hold none of the cards... So what's the incentive?
They don't make promo's like these anymore
My honest opinion... I first saw him as husky harris on nxt. Nothing to note other than not a fan of the name
I was later watching when he was Bray Wyatt cult leader. His promo delivery was good, but the actual content of what he was saying was a load of rubbish. He contradicted himself and it didnt make sense. I cant remember if he was doing the Hugh Morris laugh thing yet, but whenever he started doing that in his promos felt forced too.
In the ring I thought he was okay at times but thats it.
the pre-fiend promos were a nice change of pace to see them changing up his stale act. I was far more intrerested in seeing his stuff. And then he wrestled... He came out in a mask and no sold. In ring his character was extremely generic and when a heel is no selling and dominating the babyface, even going as far as seeing them crying in the ring then obviously the babyfaces he was working with came out of it worse off than they went into it. That was the real problem with the fiend, putting someone over or making them a bigger star. The character does the opposite and thats not a heel's job.
So if he shows up at AEW I'm not going to suddenly think he's a great in ring wrestler unless he genuinely shows a lot more in the ring. And I would be a bit concerned with the character and promos of Wyatt, or the storytelling with The Fiend destroying everyone.#
But. I mentioned the NWO type idea for AEW like a week ago, and if I was going to do it I would have him in the faction. I'd probably use him and Strowman as your big guys tag team and backing up Malakai Black and Andrade as the singles guys and doing some promos. Although with the ROH releases I'm sure Brody King will reform his team with Black from PWG recently which is probably better
Woo hoo!
Super hot segment between Punk and Kingston on Rampage. That was great build for a match
I agree with all of what you’ve said about Wyatt. I did like the fiend, just because it was something different, but after the loss to Goldberg, it was a complete waste of time anyway. I’ve never really understood the massive overrating of Wyatt from huge (vocal) sections of Wrestling fans.
Was good wasn’t it, think it’s time Punk got into a proper feud. It’s understandable that they’ve let him ease his way in.
Yeah that was great. Felt like a shoot in some parts.