He achieved pretty much all in the game long time ago. May be now he struggled a bit but still he is box office. Won't be surprised if he will manage Newcastle this time next season.
Jose Mourinho | Sacked by Roma
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Roma spent 100 million while all their rivals regressed. A top 4 finish is hardly a target. The question is whether Mourinho will Nick this up the same way he did in his last few management jobs.
How have you decided that he is just "half assing it"? And how do you quantify that?
A manager's job is to set up his players to win. Someone like Mourinho who has had the game pass him by is tactically inept and his team's underperform because they aren't set up properly by their manager, not because said manager is "half assing it", whatever that's supposed to mean.
He's box office when he's managing someone else's team. Love watching his antics from afar...
the porto/chelsea/inter and early parts of madrid manager is a completely different man to the one we see today.
He used to have all the players running through walls for him, now they run away.
I’m not sure what happened exactly or whether it’s just age effecting him, but he just doesn’t have that charisma anymore. People respect him for reputation until they see through the fake smile and silver tongue.
He used to have all the players running through walls for him, now they run away.
I’m not sure what happened exactly or whether it’s just age effecting him, but he just doesn’t have that charisma anymore. People respect him for reputation until they see through the fake smile and silver tongue.
I think his bitterness started way before he got the Madrid job, so I don't buy that he got bitter because he didn't get the Barca job. If anything, dethroning them at their peak should have given him some satisfaction. He has always been a whiner, constantly complaining about how he and his team aren't respected like you mentioned. When he was in managing Inter (where they were top, mind you), he was at war with almost everybody, especially the media. I think his ego took a big hit when he got sacked in his first Chelsea stint.
People may be perceiving him more negatively now because his teams aren't winning anymore, but his personality has changed that much in my opinion. In the past, his antics were glossed over because he was seen as a winner, but now he is just a whining bitter man because his teams are not winning.
Top 4 would be a huge achievement but it is quite unlikely no matter what coach they have in there.
If Mourinho can win a trophy and get a solid top 5/6 finish, the fans will probably be happy with that.
Milan replaced their departing players wisely. Napoli have a really experienced coach nowadays and they do have top players. Osimhen is on another planet. When Atalanta get back their injured players they will be on another level. Juventus will get better as well with Dybala seeming fit again.
Inter will miss Hakimi and Conte and will pay the price of having a longer European adventure but they are still miles ahead of Roma.
Roma lost Dzeko and Spinazzola. They may have a deeper squad with the return of El Sha and with Zaniolo being available but the quality is still very limited. Whenever Pellegrini is missing Roma doesn't seem capable of creating anything, which is partly Mourinho's fault. Fonseca did a much better job attack-wise even when he had absences.
Again.... This is just a very "startup" way of looking at football. Your idea of tactics is that you have to come up with something new that nobody's seen before, and it works until everyone gets used to it, and then you invent a new thing. I think that's true in a very broad sense, over long periods of time, but it doesn't apply super well to individual managers. That's not even really tactics, just novelty.
It means not putting much effort into a job. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about this. Have you never had a job where you've done that? You've never seen anyone at work do that?
This stuff is particularly relevant to Mourinho. He's always had periods of bad results at his clubs, if he stays there long enough. So what does that mean? Did his tactics become outdated for a single season, and then the next season he went to another club and his tactics became novel again?
Apart from Spurs he has won a trophy with every club since Porto. He could have won the Cup for Spurs too as he is most capable of winning a cup game.
I'll just leave this here
Porto
- Primeira Liga: 2
- Taça de Portugal: 1
- Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 1
- UEFA Champions League: 1
- UEFA Cup: 1
- Premier League: 3
- FA Cup: 1
- Football League Cup: 3
- FA Community Shield: 1
- Serie A: 2
- Coppa Italia: 1
- Supercoppa Italiana: 1
- UEFA Champions League: 1
- La Liga: 1
- Copa del Rey: 1
- Supercopa de España: 1
- EFL Cup: 1
- FA Community Shield: 1
- UEFA Europa League: 1
- 2nd Place: 1
Going by the bit in bold, Mourinho won a 2nd place trophy at Chelsea and two whilst at Real Madrid.
How did you come up with him 
He's got humble installed as Željezničar's culture now, regardless of whether they face lower league side in cup or relegation sides in league at home, Toma is always about how his side must be humble.Ontopic: Mourinho has spent close to 60 milion euros to replace Džeko. While I'm not saying Džeko would have worked perfectly for Roma this term, he's been on fire for Inter, scoring twice as much as Abraham and Shomurodov combined.
I guess that Džeko would be sulking by now for Roma though, having maybe two goals to his name. But even that would be on Mourinho, just as Abraham's failures are in my opinion.
He's such a bellend.
Is this a serious post? Tactics become outdated as a sport evolves. He's gotten less and less effective over the past decade. Why on earth do we do we have to pretend that his tactics became outdated over a single season?
He's had one major trophy since 2012, and his team's have underperformed with bigger meltdowns with each passing job.
At what point during the pat 6 seasons have his tactics become "novel"? When he ended behind a Brendon Rogers team that was nowhere near as stacked in in his first year at Chelsea? When he ended 24 points behind Conte in his first season with United? When he ended 6th with Spurs and wet the bed worse the following season? Or now during his first season at Roma when they have 1 win in their last 7 matches?
That mighty impressive second place finish 19 points behind Guardiola while breaking the world transfer record and having the team with the highest ever wage bill in football history at the time!
Lost to newly promoted Venezia
Might as well change the title to sack watch.
Might as well change the title to sack watch.
Why comment on that 1 single thing and none of the others he listed
He ridiculously claimed it to be his biggest career achievement. Of course, it was shite statement, just as most of the things he says nowadays are.
You're free to comment on whatever you'd like. I'm mentioning it because Mourinho considers finishing 19 points behind Gaurdiola to be his biggest "accomplishment".
Could've been 4-2 towards the end, but 3-3 as well tbf. 1 win out of 5 win games in Serie A (4 points out of 15 possible) and 2 bad results vs Bodo/Glimt. It was pretty good at the start but not lately really. Maybe good for them that there's International break now.Lost to newly promoted Venezia
Might as well change the title to sack watch.
Lost again against the little Venice FC
But we hired a world class manager. Roma as well, best to hire De Rossi and keep him forever, since hiring Jose is not bringing success.
Would you take Mourinho back?
This is going well
Venice a decent team, with Ampadu (wales) and Busio (usa). Upfront Okerke (nigeria) very good (ex Bruges)
Love seeing this guy tumble. As shit as we have been and pretty much are, this guy is still the biggest cnut we’ve had in the post-SAF era
The specialist in failure lost against, to a newly promoted team. 1 win in 8 matches now.
Needs a billion to spend, or he'll throw his players under the bus.
Needs a billion to spend, or he'll throw his players under the bus.
Yes, still the greatest United manager after SAF era
Not even close.
So you just don't want to take about a Treble at Inter or winning the CL with Porto. Right, got it.
There shouldn't have been a penalty, there's a foul on Ibanez ffs. How does VAR not see it.
We need 50 chances before we score a goal, but we don't deserve to be fecked so hard by the refs. I'm tired of this shit.
We need 50 chances before we score a goal, but we don't deserve to be fecked so hard by the refs. I'm tired of this shit.
It seems that after 100M plus future installments of investment, things are not looking great, specially if you bare in mind that Roma was one of the teams who created more clear chances in europe under Fonseca. Not saying Fonseca is a top manager, just saying that at this moment of Jose's career he is behind Fonseca both tactically and scientifically.
He is done at top level. 2 options for him. To admit it and take over Portugal NT or similar where I think he could do well, or go lower and lower because I don't know what club offers will he get after his eventual sacking from Roma.
Would have won the league if he was backed
Didn't know Ampadu was there. Probably unlikely he'll breakthrough at Chelsea but had some interesting loans already in his career.
Venezia already lost to Spezia and Salernitiana at home this season so very poor result for Roma. They won't be top 4 for much longer with Juve improving.
Even with Juventus still 1 point behind them they are out of top 4 already. They will be sixth tonight after Lazio's game.
Is this a joke ? Roma's 11 is made of international players from Italy, Portugal, France.
According to Transfermarkt the Roma squad is worth Venezia's squad more than 6 times. Only Salernitana's roster has lower value in the league.
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Who did they sign apart from Tammy and Patricio?