West Ham in third with a right back up top.
Bring him back and he'd win the league with wan Bissaka as top scorer.
Bring him back and he'd win the league with wan Bissaka as top scorer.
David Moyes West Ham Manager (Again) | European Champion
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Good for him. Expect West Ham to fade away towards the latter end of the season but imagine if Moyes’ West Ham finishes above United.
Happy for Moyes. He wasn't the right man for us in 2013 but he's doing all right now.
Doing well at West Ham. Not United level but respectable unlike the current joker.
No I said he would have done a much better job had her been given time. I am sure we would say least be better off than we are to today if he had been trusted. But saying we would have won many titles but we are just shambolic today.
Ole 10 million x point
Moyes is doing very well with his squad. We know he’s a decent manager and a medium sized club like West Ham is his level.
However, was it this time last season people were jizzing themselves silly over Everton being in a title race? West Ham are riding the crest of a wave and will be outside the top six by February.
However, was it this time last season people were jizzing themselves silly over Everton being in a title race? West Ham are riding the crest of a wave and will be outside the top six by February.
I wonder what the deal is with @LawmanMan ? He registered in late August and has 55 posts, but 34 of them are in this thread 
The rest of his posts are taking shots at other managers or more praise of David Moyes.
The rest of his posts are taking shots at other managers or more praise of David Moyes.Fine if you have a gut feeling, but all evidence showed United in free fall under Moyes with a manager who looked out of his depth. Again, no shame in that, but to say he would have turned it around is merely blind faith.
West Ham and Moyes finishing ahead of United and Ole in top 4 will be poetic justice.
We would've had Toni Kroos had we stick with Moyes.
And I think Herrera would come in at second try as well.
That would've been an interesting midfield
Also, I'd argue that he probably learned from his experience at United and that helped him become a better manager at West Ham.
Had he stayed at United, he'd probably won't improve and we'd still worse off
That’s my thought too
I don't want to see any revisionism because he's doing well at West Ham now. He lost the dressing room at United after a truly miserable season and we had to sack him, there was no way back.
He was the chosen one
6 yrs of contract
6 yrs of contract
Good point, very true
Of all the managers we hired after SAF , I always felt he was most unlucky one. If we have been in top 4 I don’t think he would have been sacked. He overestimated his ability and underestimated SAF. Other teams also strengthened over that summer but we were with the same squad except for Fellaini.
He is doing great at Westham but no regrets on his sacking. When asked at start of season if this squad can get title , his answer was it won last season so he expects to mount a title challenge. That was indication that he had no clue what he inherited. Our squad was a aging squad and he had to recruit couple of midfielders at start of season. It was always tough to replace SAF but may be SAF’s coaching team would have helped him in the transition especially with the players. He made some bad decisions which cost him his job eventually.
He is doing great at Westham but no regrets on his sacking. When asked at start of season if this squad can get title , his answer was it won last season so he expects to mount a title challenge. That was indication that he had no clue what he inherited. Our squad was a aging squad and he had to recruit couple of midfielders at start of season. It was always tough to replace SAF but may be SAF’s coaching team would have helped him in the transition especially with the players. He made some bad decisions which cost him his job eventually.
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I said it all along and will keep saying it. Moyes is not a bad manager.
He tried to change too much too fast at Man United and the club (as we now know) was in deeper crap than anticipated. I think we were right to sack him and he can't complain about that. It's also likely he would never have succeeded at any big club but I think our fans have been very harsh where you have people even questioning his Everton achievements.
I'm happy for Moyes. Our current manager is not even half the level.
He tried to change too much too fast at Man United and the club (as we now know) was in deeper crap than anticipated. I think we were right to sack him and he can't complain about that. It's also likely he would never have succeeded at any big club but I think our fans have been very harsh where you have people even questioning his Everton achievements.
I'm happy for Moyes. Our current manager is not even half the level.
Happy for him. Hope West Ham can keep it up but I think they'll eventually drop off.
West Ham have beaten Liverpool, Man City, Man United, Tottenham and Leicester. David's on the wheel
Seeing United's 2021/2022 wage bill almost double City's indeed looks ridiculously nonsense.
But If you look the break down (wage per player), it is not.
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The underlying truth is that whilst Moyes may not be a world class manager he knows what he wants tactically and how to get his players playing in that set-up. That skill alone can bring decent success to any mid -table side with a good crop of players.
We would probabbly see more success with this version of Moyes at United than we would with any version of Ole.
We would probabbly see more success with this version of Moyes at United than we would with any version of Ole.
I think the failures at United and Sunderland were good for him in a way, he says he learned from them and it’s made him a better manager. At United he was too naive, a bit awestruck. At Sunderland he was way too negative and it felt like he didn’t want to be there.
A club like West Ham suits him because it removes all that and lets him focus on his strengths - strong coaching, solid tactics, hard-working teams, and crucially signing players which he’s done expertly at West Ham. I think his biggest downfall at a team like United is that he’s a nicer guy, and doesn’t have the sheer force of will and the scary personality that SAF has to command a team wherever he goes. The fact that he told the players at United he wanted to learn from them, on it’s own it’s a good managerial strategy and shows humility and a willingness to learn, but I cant imagine it went down very well with players who had recently won the CL and multiple league titles.
A club like West Ham suits him because it removes all that and lets him focus on his strengths - strong coaching, solid tactics, hard-working teams, and crucially signing players which he’s done expertly at West Ham. I think his biggest downfall at a team like United is that he’s a nicer guy, and doesn’t have the sheer force of will and the scary personality that SAF has to command a team wherever he goes. The fact that he told the players at United he wanted to learn from them, on it’s own it’s a good managerial strategy and shows humility and a willingness to learn, but I cant imagine it went down very well with players who had recently won the CL and multiple league titles.
The players we had back then were all champions. It was easy for them to look down at anyone who was less accomplished. Unfortunately, Moyes had not won anything ever, so it was very hard to impose himself on those players. He lost the dressing room very quickly.
Tactics, strategy, plans, formations ... are all meaningless if your players don't respect you. Our players were laughing behind his back.
This is always a big problem with a manager with zero trophies to his name, who joins a big club. That's why Pochettino has such a hard time at PSG, his star players do not respect him.
Moyes and Pochettino are fine for West Ham and Spurs, clubs full of players who have never won anything in their life. But it is very hard for them to succeed in a club with world class players who have already won everything.
If Neymar laughs at Poch or Moyes, what will they do? Nothing, they can do nothing. But Neymar will never think of laughing at Zidane. (And if he does, Zizou will headbutt him, lol! )
Tactics, strategy, plans, formations ... are all meaningless if your players don't respect you. Our players were laughing behind his back.
This is always a big problem with a manager with zero trophies to his name, who joins a big club. That's why Pochettino has such a hard time at PSG, his star players do not respect him.
Moyes and Pochettino are fine for West Ham and Spurs, clubs full of players who have never won anything in their life. But it is very hard for them to succeed in a club with world class players who have already won everything.
If Neymar laughs at Poch or Moyes, what will they do? Nothing, they can do nothing. But Neymar will never think of laughing at Zidane. (And if he does, Zizou will headbutt him, lol! )
He is doing superb job at West Ham, for the first time I'm seeing West Ham as a proper team, playing as a unit both attacking and defensively. Credit to Moyes for bouncing back after so many set backs.
Each of his failures post-Everton were arguably contingent on bad circumstances. Taking over Utd from SAF would have been a tough ask for peak Clough. Sociedad is on him. Doubled down on the difficulty of regaining his reputation by trying a top foreign league. Sunderland, who just got put out of the FA cup by Mansfield, have been a basket case of a club for years. Bad option. But his success at PNE, Everton and West Ham suggest that he's the real deal when he makes the correct choice of job. Would fecking love it if West Ham do a Leicester. Unfortunately, no chance.
He is a good manager for a mid table club. However he failed at United because the bar was set so high when he took over. He would make this United side better than Ole is doing now.
The break down looks like nonsense also to be fair.
He is very good as a coach, but not so great at dealing with big names like he had to do for us. West Ham suits him well.
I think Moyes had the hardest job at Manchester United by far out the managers we've had since Ferguson.
He was taking over from a manager who had been in charge for 26 years and had loads of success. The problem with having a manager for such a long time is that the structure became outdated. Manchester United were still run like a club from the 90s, which was mainly built around the relationship between Ferguson and Gill. They both left in the same season, resulting in Moyes having to deal with a new and inexperienced CEO. Ed Woodward, clearly, did not know what he was doing. Moyes did not have experience at a top club, and I think it is vital for there to be experienced people in place if you go for a manager like this (and even when you don't). It was like taking two trainees and thrusting them in the position of two very experienced people.
This resulted in a terrible window. Perhaps Moyes overestimated what Manutd could do in the transfer window, like Van Gaal said he did, but there was no experienced person in place to advise him about this. Moyes had the right standard of player in mind: Fabregas, Kroos, Bale etc. but he overestimated our capability, especially with Woodward in charge. I know we ended up with Fellaini, but that was, unquestionably, out of sheer desperation for a signing. There is no other reason to sign him for the increased amount if Moyes actually wanted him at the start of the window. I feel it was more a 'take it or leave it' situation at that point: either he had Fellaini or he had nobody.
One issue that is underestimated is this: a lot of the players had played under Ferguson for a very long time, and had become accustomed to him being manager and the way things were done. By the time Moyes became manager, most of these players were on the way to retirement. Most of them were gone within one or two seasons. I do think this probably played on the player's minds: were they so bothered to accept a new manager when their careers were on the way out? They may not have meant to do so, but this can be a subconscious thing when a deeply-set routine is involved.
The team didn't have any promising young players. It was old, and there was no promise in that team, really. It was stale. Yes, they won the league in 2012-13, but most of that was to do with Van Persie and Carrick. The team itself wasn't particularly great that season. Van Persie, in particular, makes the performances seem better than they were at that time. That is the main reason why I think people remember it more fondly, and due to it being Ferguson's last season. The combination of this and the terrible transfer window was an absolute disaster.
In the end, I do think Moyes made mistakes, but I do feel people underestimate the monstrous task he had when taking over the role. People continually point to the win the season before, but forget that the performances had not been great for two seasons. The team was on the wane with no young players ready to take the older player's places. It was actually a bit of a mess that was being held together by Ferguson. Once he let go, the team and the players really fell to pieces. I feel like Moyes was actually lumbered with a squad that was about to expire.
He was taking over from a manager who had been in charge for 26 years and had loads of success. The problem with having a manager for such a long time is that the structure became outdated. Manchester United were still run like a club from the 90s, which was mainly built around the relationship between Ferguson and Gill. They both left in the same season, resulting in Moyes having to deal with a new and inexperienced CEO. Ed Woodward, clearly, did not know what he was doing. Moyes did not have experience at a top club, and I think it is vital for there to be experienced people in place if you go for a manager like this (and even when you don't). It was like taking two trainees and thrusting them in the position of two very experienced people.
This resulted in a terrible window. Perhaps Moyes overestimated what Manutd could do in the transfer window, like Van Gaal said he did, but there was no experienced person in place to advise him about this. Moyes had the right standard of player in mind: Fabregas, Kroos, Bale etc. but he overestimated our capability, especially with Woodward in charge. I know we ended up with Fellaini, but that was, unquestionably, out of sheer desperation for a signing. There is no other reason to sign him for the increased amount if Moyes actually wanted him at the start of the window. I feel it was more a 'take it or leave it' situation at that point: either he had Fellaini or he had nobody.
One issue that is underestimated is this: a lot of the players had played under Ferguson for a very long time, and had become accustomed to him being manager and the way things were done. By the time Moyes became manager, most of these players were on the way to retirement. Most of them were gone within one or two seasons. I do think this probably played on the player's minds: were they so bothered to accept a new manager when their careers were on the way out? They may not have meant to do so, but this can be a subconscious thing when a deeply-set routine is involved.
The team didn't have any promising young players. It was old, and there was no promise in that team, really. It was stale. Yes, they won the league in 2012-13, but most of that was to do with Van Persie and Carrick. The team itself wasn't particularly great that season. Van Persie, in particular, makes the performances seem better than they were at that time. That is the main reason why I think people remember it more fondly, and due to it being Ferguson's last season. The combination of this and the terrible transfer window was an absolute disaster.
In the end, I do think Moyes made mistakes, but I do feel people underestimate the monstrous task he had when taking over the role. People continually point to the win the season before, but forget that the performances had not been great for two seasons. The team was on the wane with no young players ready to take the older player's places. It was actually a bit of a mess that was being held together by Ferguson. Once he let go, the team and the players really fell to pieces. I feel like Moyes was actually lumbered with a squad that was about to expire.
Ironically it might be that we should have got peak Jose after Fergie quit and Moyes later on. We got things the wrong way round.
Moyes going from being mercilessly mocked by the fanbase to people now watching WH with envy will be the most laughably tragic part of all that's happened so far 
Truly the chosen one. He inherited an ageing squad and well, bigger egoes. I still he makes a correct decision to remove all backroom staff at United.
The meltdown if Moyes gets CL with West Ham while we enter the conference league with Ole still at the wheelWould’ve been fun to rewind and see what have happened if SAF did one more year. Probably top 4, but that’s it. Moyes didn’t take over a squad on its way up
SAF would have won the league again probably.Would’ve been fun to rewind and see what have happened if SAF did one more year. Probably top 4, but that’s it. Moyes didn’t take over a squad on its way up
That’s not going to happen, he will be gone well before it comes to pass that we may be playing conference league next season
Impressive, surprised to see Arsenal so high.Form guide since the start of 2021:
I'd say its very unlikely they'll manage too 4 but top 6 would be a decent season for them.
Don’t thinks so. Not even close