I like trophies but to win FA cup while finishing 8th is not good enough. I rather finish 2nd than finish 8th and win a domestic cup.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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I always said that he was the best manager between him, Ole and Lampard and have been proved right I think. It looks like he's finally built a team that he can trust and understands his tactics.
Arteta has spent about 210m, Solksjaer has spent 410m. Until this summer Arteta had been working on a budget, now that he's had money to spend we're seeing the difference.
Don't call me a liar again, or I'll bring up your 150 posts in this thread that highlight your excellent footballing insight.
You haven't. Let's wait til the end of the season.
If you are convinced that someone else would be doing a better job and is available for you, than sign him for that. I really don't see what is so difficult about that idea?
Of course this is his squad and he knows what he wants to do with them, so it is unlikely to find someone better for exactly this squad now, but I don't see why it should be considered impossible?
Because it's hard to gauge if someone will be an improvement, unless it's a literal Klopp or Guardiola. You only have to look at the troubles United have faced when it's come to picking managers, it's not an easy decision. Which is why when Arteta is doing a good job there's virtually no reason to sack him.
The board kept faith with him when many supporters and general football fans had long turned against him, because they knew how difficult the job was and that it wasn't going to be an immediate fix. They've backed him with money this summer and he's rejuvenated the squad and now plays a young side and it's looking like everything is going well, why would they sack him now?
Hang on. You might be proved right in a season or two but there's plenty of time for the wheels to come off the wagon and for them to revert back to type which has been in and around 10th since he came in.
It is extremely unlikely as I said.
But such a move is not unheard of. For example Mainz once fired their manager two days before the first match of the season, after a quite normal preseason, because the DoF thought he had found a better manager for their Bundesliga team. He promoted their U19 manager Thomas Tuchel.
Their goal difference is zero, and West Ham have scored 10 more goals than them. You made me follow this thread and laugh at you at end of the season when Arsenal finish around 8th position.
I actually read about that, it seemed kind of insane, didn't he just get promoted, or was promoted a season or two prior?
You're right that it's not impossible, but I honestly think at least relating to Arteta as long as he continues as he's doing he'll be safe. That's not to say there's no pressure, after being backed this summer and now in his second full season, it is important that he shows clear progress. I do think the problems at Arsenal were massively overlooked in this thread when he took over, but now is the time he has to deliver. And I think he will.
Ok here you go arsenal and United in last 3 transfer windows including this one:
19-20 United £195m Arsenal £135m (including Martinelli)
20-21 United £75m ( including Pellestri and Amad) Arsenal £72m
21-22 United £133m Arsenal £156m
United in last 3 seasons £408m
Arsenal in last 3 seasons £363m
Difference of £45m which also includes £25m United spent on Amad and Pellestri.
Now if you want to just include last 2 seasons as Arteta's first full window was 20-21
Arsenal in last 2 seasons £228m, United in last 2 seasons £208m. So yes your original statement that Arteta has spent little in comparison to Ole was incorrect. Unless you want to count 3 season for one guy and only transfer from 2 for another. Please note this doesn't include loan fees or wages.
So next time check your facts before posting something. And hey feel free to post my 150 posts that you mentioned because I am sure you are incorrect on that as well.
You have on your hole been proved right.I think all three are about as average as I'd expect them to have been
Meh, it's only a matter of time till Arsenal fall apart again and all their fans call for Artetas head.
Recheck the post you quoted. I said Arteta had less to spend than Solskjaer, you quoted that so surely you read what I said?
When comparing the job they've both done, you're going to compare how much money they've spent.
So instead of telling me to check my facts, maybe you should learn how to fecking read?
Edit: sorry it was 142 message, all as shit as the one you've just made
But I just proved to you arteta did not spend far less in the last 2 seasons in comparison to Ole. Not sure what you are arguing here. You accuse me of making shit post when you made incorrect statement. Of course Ole joined a year ahead than Arteta but in his time Arteta have spent huge amount of money which in comparison in last 2 seasons is similar or even more than Ole has spent. Hence I said stop pretending Arteta has worked on limited budget.
And considering you seem so confident of accusing me posting shit, have some balls and reply to the post just like I did rather than speaking from your a** which you are doing.
Except you didn't prove anything, I've already shown you that Ole has spent double the amount Arteta has, while having a much larger wage bill and inheriting a much better squad. Ole was given over 200m to spend in his first window, Arteta was given 75m. I never said he was working on a limited budget overall, I just said he'd spent far less than Ole, which is factually true. You jumped in and accused me of lying, either because you completely misread my post or you're just full of shit.
I'm not sure what the bolded even means. I did reply to you? And you're allowed to say ass mate
Clearly you don't read what you write and neither do you read what others write. Anyways trying to be as civil as possible, Ole of course would have spent more than Arteta because he joined a year earlier so it is an unfair comparison on transfer front to count 3 seasons amount for one guy and only 2 seasons. So a natural way to judge is how much each have spent since Arteta's first full window, which is why I gave you last 2 season's amount. Now if you want to count 3 seasons then comparison should be amount spent by Arsenal in last 3 seasons and amount spent by United in last 3 seasons since Ole's first full window, which also I showed you, a mere difference of 45m. That's how you make fair judgement. It's like me saying Ole has spent far less than Pep, yes he has but in the same time since joining Ole has actually spent good amount on players. If you are taking that as a stand alone statement then yesthat is correct factually but if you use that statement to say Arteta should get more leeway because he spent far less than Ole then that is an incorrect statement as both Ole and Arteta have spent huge amount of money and should be judged on that. Arteta last season was a failure and no way finishing 8th can be justified.
And stop accusing people of making 142 shit posts if you cannot back them. If you really want to challenge anyone's opinion then reply to that post rather than making stupid statement that you made 142 shit posts. Hence I said, have some balls and reply to the post that you feel I made a shit post or else just shut up. That's how grown up people act.
This is a waste of both our time. I've already explained it to you. My statement was that Arteta had spent less than Solskjaer, a factual comment. Don't talk about civil, you quoted me out of nowhere calling me a liar when it's an objectively true statement.
You talk so much drivel. Next time before you call someone a liar, make sure you actually read what they've said. If you want anything else just pm me, If I'm going to be subjected to this crap at least we can keep it out of this thread.
Hi, just to stop this nonsense and the comparaisons between Ole and Arteta.
Arsenal plays every week. United every 3 days.
Makes such a difference. Arsenal fan here and I think we should see more quality from Arsenal than what we see for the moment with all the time they have on the training ground. Physically also it’s alarming to see that Lacazette can only play 60 minutes or so… every week. Imagine with mid-week football… he would last 30 minutes per matches?!
It’s a young squad but they surely need to learn thick and fast. It s not only finishing in top 4 the goal this year, it’s being able to sustained the challenge of playing every three days the season after.
So sorry but you cannot compare Arsenal this year to any other team involved with european football.
Arsenal plays every week. United every 3 days.
Makes such a difference. Arsenal fan here and I think we should see more quality from Arsenal than what we see for the moment with all the time they have on the training ground. Physically also it’s alarming to see that Lacazette can only play 60 minutes or so… every week. Imagine with mid-week football… he would last 30 minutes per matches?!
It’s a young squad but they surely need to learn thick and fast. It s not only finishing in top 4 the goal this year, it’s being able to sustained the challenge of playing every three days the season after.
So sorry but you cannot compare Arsenal this year to any other team involved with european football.
Arsenal is not competing with Man Utd at the moment. We are just trying to be back to top 6 when Man Utd's goal is to fight for title every season with their resource. Arsenal indeed spent large amount of money (in arsenal standard only) to rebuild the squad the past summer, but wage budget is more important for the competitiveness of a club. It is unrealistic to expect a manager to do miracle every season to punch above the weight of the club. Arsenal and Man Utd are not even shopping in the same pool and also same quality of player in transfer window.
I have better things to do in my life than pm'ing you. I can't teach you to read and write. Anyways I have wasted enough time chatting about Arteta with a swansea fan. Good luck to you.
I SAY GOOD DAY SIR!!!
Still plenty time for views to flip flop, I reckon views will change again in the next 3 weeks.
To be fair, you said far less to spend
How is far less defined? What is the x amount that makes it far less?
Unless you are talking solely about the first window after taking over?
The taking over a worse squad statement is subject to be argued too as the year ole took over they finished behind arsenal and United had only finished above arsenal once since Fergie retired upto that point. Im sure arsenal also reached the Europa final the year before. And ole in his two full seasons hasn't fibished behind arsenal (even if he is now for the first time)
anyway as most have said, arteta and arsenal have had Dawn's like this before. Let's see by Christmas where they are
And Arteta is younger than Zlatan about the age of Ronaldo.
Sokjaer is almost Klopps age.
As in one has spent 200m, and one has spent 400m. When taking into consideration the jobs both have done, you have to look at the amount of money they've been given to shape the squad to their liking. That's not even taking things like wages into consideration.
It could be argued but they'd be wrong, when comparing the two squads that both inherited no one on here would have gone with the Arsenal squad. They finished 6th because Mourinho had his usual meltdown, they had just finished second the season before, and the season before that had actually won the Europa. I'm not saying the United squad didn't have issues, but it was superior to the Arsenal squad.
I haven't just started arguing his case, I argued when he took over that people were vastly underestimating the difficulty of the job he had, and I argued a year into his tenure that people were righting him off far too quickly, all in this very thread. So it's not about false dawns, it's about seeing the progress he's made with rejuvenating the squad, especially with young players after being given money this summer, moving a lot of players on and settling on a consistent 11.
He’s still a shite manager. Just because we’re crap doesn’t suddenly take away from the fact that he’s also a steaming bag of shite
I keep seeing it mentioned that they're unbeaten for a while now so I looked at their results and who they've played. Their unbeaten run has come against:
Norwich 1-0
Burnley 1-0
Wimbledon 3-0
Spurs 3-1
Brighton 0-0
Palace 2-2
Villa 3-1
Leeds 2-0
Leicester 2-0
Watford 1-0
You can only beat what's in front of you but that's not a bad set of fixtures. They play us next at Anfield so maybe that'll be a better indicator in terms of how they're actually doing.
Norwich 1-0
Burnley 1-0
Wimbledon 3-0
Spurs 3-1
Brighton 0-0
Palace 2-2
Villa 3-1
Leeds 2-0
Leicester 2-0
Watford 1-0
You can only beat what's in front of you but that's not a bad set of fixtures. They play us next at Anfield so maybe that'll be a better indicator in terms of how they're actually doing.
You’ll drill them till their ears bleed
I am being made to eat my words. I guaranteed that Arteta would be fired by Xmas, and now here he is above us. It wasn't even a defense of Ole, I just thought Arteta was hopelessly lost.
So, remind me, how many trophies has OGS won?
I’m not sure you speak for the fans - wouldn’t you enjoy a day out at Wembley with some silverware to show for it?
I bet we trounce arsenal 8nil and ole would have gotten another manager sacked .
.If its a question of finishing 4th with a fa cup or even a league cup compared to finishing 2nd without silverware then i would prefer the former. However, finishing 8th would be a sackable offense unless somehow we won the europa league or champions league also.
You know your club is in a dire mess when Arsenal fans ask how many trophies your manager has won.
Of course I can speak for myself and not on behalf of other fans. I would definitely enjoy a day out seeing my club win a trophy but if you are giving me an option of winning a domestic cup and finishing 8th or finishing 2nd with no trophy, I would choose the latter every single day. I don't think there's anything controversial with that.