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It is as far from reality as all other responses to my original post which tried to explain why Hamilton didn't meant anything bad.

First, Perez as soon as he got to close had to back out, recharge the batteries and try again in the last lap so it's not really true.
And also if that would be a reason he said that he should stated that and I'm sure he would stated that cuz it would explain even more how Red Bull were much faster which he tried to do.

For me and for most people I know it was a dig at Perez but not in a way he wanted to insult Perez but more in a way he wanted to express an example from which we can see Red Bull was faster.

I'm also positive that if he would think a second more before saying that he wouldn't say it but still, he should take a second more to think about an answer. Especially when Perez is at home race celebration the result.
:lol: wow
 

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They actually left the door wide open for Max to go past on the outside.
As good a move it was that Verstappen made it was comical the defense Bottas put up. He may as well had waved him through . Hamilton must have been absolutely seething what Bottas did
 

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As good a move it was that Verstappen made it was comical the defense Bottas put up. He may as well had waved him through . Hamilton must have been absolutely seething what Bottas did
I said before the race started that Max would take the lead at turn 1.
What I did not expect was they way he did it, it was like a feck you from Bottas.
 

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Reflecting back on the season, it feels like Red Bull have better maximised their performance vs results compared to Mercedes - both teams have made mistakes. It's impressive how Max is so consistent and gets the job done when needed - all things we've seen from Schumacher, Alonso, and Hamilton himself.

It will go down to the last race but the next race is key for momentum and strategy in the races that follow.
 

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I said before the race started that Max would take the lead at turn 1.
What I did not expect was they way he did it, it was like a feck you from Bottas.
I have rewatched the start a couple times and I cant for the life of me understand why Bottas didnt have his car more to the left. Its actually comical. Bottas must be a Hami Hater :lol:
 

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Reflecting back on the season, it feels like Red Bull have better maximised their performance vs results compared to Mercedes - both teams have made mistakes. It's impressive how Max is so consistent and gets the job done when needed - all things we've seen from Schumacher, Alonso, and Hamilton himself.

It will go down to the last race but the next race is key for momentum and strategy in the races that follow.
Yes indeed.
I have been increasingly impressed with how well and mature Max has driven this year. And am struggling to believe that Mercedes are going to provide Hamilton with a quick enough car in the remaining races.
And even if they do, the Red Bull and Max in particular have the momentum and consistency to be able to hold onto his lead.
 

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Probably tried to block Hamilton but failed and then it was too late to block Max
Bottas series of events at the start was so crazy you would wonder if he thought it was Hamilton behind him and not Max. He literally did everything he could to make Max pass him
 

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My apologies, I keep forgetting that I'm posting in Hamilton fan club forum. My bad
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, now that Hamilton has cleared up his comments on social media, stating that he was talking about how difficult it is to follow due to the downforce, and in no way a dig against Checo, I assume you're willing to accept that you interpreted it wrong?
 

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Giving you the benefit of the doubt, now that Hamilton has cleared up his comments on social media, stating that he was talking about how difficult it is to follow due to the downforce, and in no way a dig against Checo, I assume you're willing to accept that you interpreted it wrong?
Well obviously he would said that. The fact that he needed to explain it is enough evidence that I didn't interpreted it wrong.
 

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Lewis gets plenty of stick on here, the Hamilton Fan Club comment is laughable.
There is a big hammerhead club here though, with some you can't even give your opinion without being ripped apart by 3 or 4 of them and I say hammerhead because they will always bite the bait that some individuals will leave for them.

My opinion on this it was a sly little dig at Perez nothing more nothing less, others will take it a different way.
 

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There is a big hammerhead club here though, with some you can't even give your opinion without being ripped apart by 3 or 4 of them and I say hammerhead because they will always bite the bait that some individuals will leave for them.

My opinion on this it was a sly little dig at Perez nothing more nothing less, others will take it a different way.
Why would he bother having a sly dig at Perez?
 

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There is a big hammerhead club here though, with some you can't even give your opinion without being ripped apart by 3 or 4 of them and I say hammerhead because they will always bite the bait that some individuals will leave for them.

My opinion on this it was a sly little dig at Perez nothing more nothing less, others will take it a different way.
There is Max fans and Lewis fan who will bite at the slightest thing, hence why the thread has again descended again.
Sly dig , I say bollocks that my opinion.
 

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Well obviously he would said that. The fact that he needed to explain it is enough evidence that I didn't interpreted it wrong.
That's awful logic. The fact that he explained it, to mean something different to the way you interpreted it, means that you unquestionably interpreted it wrong.

It's time to put your bias to one side now and accept that there was nothing meant against Checo in his comment.
 

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My apologies, I keep forgetting that I'm posting in Hamilton fan club forum. My bad
It's nothing to do with being a Hamilton fan club. It's more to the fact that I explained exactly what the comment meant and your delusion just sent you down the path of him slagging off another driver for zero reasons.

You just seem obsessed with trying to prove he must be a bad guy. Why get so personal? it's weird behaviour.
 

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I personally think we've done the Hamilton/Perez discussion to death and nothing new will be said anymore.

So, instead of descending into vitriol again - how about something more interesting! Like - what's in store for Gasly next season? I think the door to Red Bull is firmly closed to him, and he's probably pretty comfortable where he is now. What are the chances that Alpha Tauri will get better next year with the new situation and he'll start getting podia? (As unpredictable as anything? Or would RB simply never let that happen to their B team?)
 

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I personally think we've done the Hamilton/Perez discussion to death and nothing new will be said anymore.

So, instead of descending into vitriol again - how about something more interesting! Like - what's in store for Gasly next season? I think the door to Red Bull is firmly closed to him, and he's probably pretty comfortable where he is now. What are the chances that Alpha Tauri will get better next year with the new situation and he'll start getting podia? (As unpredictable as anything? Or would RB simply never let that happen to their B team?)
Gasly is in a bit of a tough spot unfortunately because I agree with you that the RB door is closed. Which means despite his amazing performances, he is going to be stuck at Alpha Tauri until another team gives him a chance.

Next year is so up in the air, who knows how competitive they’ll be.
 

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I personally think we've done the Hamilton/Perez discussion to death and nothing new will be said anymore.

So, instead of descending into vitriol again - how about something more interesting! Like - what's in store for Gasly next season? I think the door to Red Bull is firmly closed to him, and he's probably pretty comfortable where he is now. What are the chances that Alpha Tauri will get better next year with the new situation and he'll start getting podia? (As unpredictable as anything? Or would RB simply never let that happen to their B team?)
I quite like Gasly , decent driver who if given the right car will challenge, but is he good enough to win a WC , now that I am not sure about.
While Horner and Newey are at RB I dont think there is even a remote chance of a RB return.
 

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Wondered if Mercedes would consider poaching Gasly when Lewis retires.

Gotta be Gasly or Lando you would think, Ocon a distant third choice.
 

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Wondered if Mercedes would consider poaching Gasly when Lewis retires.

Gotta be Gasly or Lando you would think, Ocon a distant third choice.
I think out of the 2, Lando maybe the better choice Gasly will be considered , agreed Ocon 3rd.
How long will Lewis carry on ? I see another 2 seasons, I have no doubt he will have had massive input with the new car for 2022 and will want to race in it.
 

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I think out of the 2, Lando maybe the better choice Gasly will be considered , agreed Ocon 3rd.
How long will Lewis carry on ? I see another 2 seasons, I have no doubt he will have had massive input with the new car for 2022 and will want to race in it.
Maybe Alpine? I suppose Alonso won't continue very long and Ocon isn't going through a great year either. But then Gasly currently often finishes ahead of them and is well ahead of them in the standings right now; why would he move over?

That's what I meant with him being comfortable in his current seat: outside Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, and Mercedes, other teams might not seem like much of a step up to him right now.
 

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Maybe Alpine? I suppose Alonso won't continue very long and Ocon isn't going through a great year either. But then Gasly currently often finishes ahead of them and is well ahead of them in the standings right now; why would he move over?

That's what I meant with him being comfortable in his current seat: outside Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, and Mercedes, other teams might not seem like much of a step up to him right now.
Given his choices and right now, he is not getting a drive in the top 4 teams, his best bet would be staying put and see if a top 4 team comes for him.
Nobody know why next years cars will be like, he could be in a very good car.
 

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I doubt Gasly will find his way back to Red Bull, given that he's experienced first hand how toxic it is if you aren't their first driver.

He's likely gonna stay put at least for next year, although when Lewis retires that might cause a shuffle that frees up a spot at Mercedes or McLaren. And there's always Ferrari, who have the gravitas as a team if not the car (although who knows for next year).
 

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Wondered if Mercedes would consider poaching Gasly when Lewis retires.

Gotta be Gasly or Lando you would think, Ocon a distant third choice.
Ocon will be above all of them, although I have a feeling they would go for Verstappen.
 

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There is Max fans and Lewis fan who will bite at the slightest thing, hence why the thread has again descended again.
Sly dig , I say bollocks that my opinion.
Its bothers me that this forum immediately puts a pro-max or pro-lewis sticker on posters after every remark..

When I mention something that bothers me about Lewis the respons is immediately: yes, but Max does this too and he is way worse so you cannot comment on this.

WTF? Why bring Max in the conversation? Most of the time I agree with the poster responding on what he says about Max, but why tf is that the immediate emotional respons when making a comment about Lewis. When I make a comment about Lewis, that means I make a comment about Lewis. Its not a comment about Lewis compared to the benchmark Max all the time. The same goes the other way around...
 

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You could be right, I can't remember, but I'd be shocked if Red Bull sacrificed 2...3...4...maybe in 5 points, I'm not sure, to take a single point off Hamilton.
Could be wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong
Silverstone was one.
At Monza he sacrificed his own position on the grid to give max a tow.
 

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I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
 

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I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
will be interesting to see who adapts well to the new cars next year - plus some drivers styles will probably just be more suited to the new cars that will have an impact on who goes where I think
 

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Ocon is a merc driver though just given to Renault. I think if Toto is around he'll put him as number 2 to Russell re-creating Hamilton and Bottas.

Ferrari will put Schumacher in the Ferrari with Leclerc unless something majorly goes wrong - Ferrari have already said he'll be in the main car. Wonder what they'll do with Gio.

Gasly is French and has already expressed interest in Renault/Alpine.

That said, anything could happen if Max, Lando, Leclerc, or Russell decide to move from their team - they are the future of F1.
 

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Coulthard made an interesting comment that losing the title this season maybe better for lewis. A reset for him and refresh his hunger for attempt at title no8 next season and beyond.

Also as a sport, max winning the title would be in it's best interests as it would capture new and potentially younger audiences and bring fresh viewers to F1.

Dont disagree with either point.
 

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I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
No one knows what will happen. Audi may buy Williams or Alfa Romeo for 2026. McLaren have been rumoured to rejected Audi buyout offer.

If Audi do join as the VW group representative I expect they will do a Mercedes and become competitive very soon. Interesting that VW group want a f1 team as a works team and not just be a new engine supplier to Red Bell at all.
 

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Coulthard made an interesting comment that losing the title this season maybe better for lewis. A reset for him and refresh his hunger for attempt at title no8 next season and beyond.

Also as a sport, max winning the title would be in it's best interests as it would capture new and potentially younger audiences and bring fresh viewers to F1.

Dont disagree with either point.
Can a loss be a win?
 

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I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
I assume Lando would want to remain at McLaren since they seem to be going in the right direction. Should be interesting to see next year his battle with Ricciardo (now that he seems to be finding his feet). I'm a bit suspect of Lando, he started the season on fire but his form has fell off a cliff since the summer break and now it's hurting McLaren in the constructors. This isn't the first time either. Last year his form dipped as the season progressed. I think it's definitely something to keep an eye on for next season.
 

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Coulthard made an interesting comment that losing the title this season maybe better for lewis. A reset for him and refresh his hunger for attempt at title no8 next season and beyond.

Also as a sport, max winning the title would be in it's best interests as it would capture new and potentially younger audiences and bring fresh viewers to F1.

Dont disagree with either point.
While they are good points it's definitely not good for Lewis to lose this season.

He is 1 WC away from breaking a record and this is as good opportunity to get it as it will come. He is in the best car with a teammate which is clearly not on his level.

You never know which car will be the best next year with all the changes and Russell will definitely give him bigger challenge the Bottas even if Mercedes make the best car again. And if u consider that he is 36 years old he probably will not have many opportunities to get that 8th WC.

The same argument was thrown around about Rosberg's WC win but tbf only thing that it helped Lewis was that Rosberg decided to retire because of it and he got Bottas in the team who was brought in as a second driver and not one who will challenge Lewis.